"Too Good to be True"? Karen Herzog Cellulite Crea
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:06 am

After reading the great reviews on the Karen Herzog line by "Bluesheart" I checked out their site and wonder if anyone has tried their cellulite cream? It sounds to good to be true.

free skin care · Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:42 am

I just had a Karin Herzog facial earlier today and discussed the Sillhouette cream with the esthetician. She said it really does work and even better with the Tonus B12 Cream afterward to deliver necessary vitamins to the body.

http://www.shop.karinherzog.co.uk/asp/product.asp?product=192&ph

I am planning to test these two products out at some point but all the reviews are very positive about the Sillhouette. IMO, KH products really all do deliver but it's a matter of taking it slowly to see how they work for you, individually.

Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:14 am

Thanks for the info. Please let me know how you like it if you try it.
Ginderella

free skin care · Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:21 am

Sure will, ginderella. Might be awhile but I'll let you know.

free skin care · Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:27 am

if It sounds to good to be true,it probably not true

free skin care · Mon May 26, 2008 6:47 pm

Bump
anyone tried this? or heard anything about it??
Lou

free skin care · Tue May 27, 2008 6:01 am

Been getting some great press lately. I just bought the two products and you can feel them doing something.

But I love all of my KH products. Best ever skincare line. I'm hoping the body line will be too.

Sis

free skin care · Tue May 27, 2008 12:25 pm

sister sweets wrote:

Been getting some great press lately. I just bought the two products and you can feel them doing something.

But I love all of my KH products. Best ever skincare line. I'm hoping the body line will be too.

Sis

Sis, are you saying that you have purchased the Sillhouete and Tonus B12? Please, do keep us posted on your progress with those.
R.

Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:59 am

Hi,
I used the Karen Herzog cellulite duo (tonus B12 and silhouette cream) for 6 months and sadly didn't see any difference. I would be interested to know the results anybody else has had as I must admit I was quite taken in by the marketing at the time and kept plugging away and ordering new tubes as I was convinced it would eventually work. The other problem is, they were (I don't know if this is still the case) sold as a duo set but the sillouette cream is used up much faster than the Tonus B12 (something to do with the consistency) so I ended up having to buy more sillhoutte tubes which was not at all cost effective.
As I say, I would love to hear other people's opinions as there was such a lot of positive press I am wondering if I was just unlucky or it really is too good to be true!

free skin care · Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:30 am

I have the Silhouette but I have not seen ANY DIFFERENCE at all with this product. Aside from that, I found that the amount you get is far too little if you plan on using it everyday. To me, it was a bit of a rip off. It's only a 150 ml tube and perhaps I have more cellulite than most people but it's not enough product to last a decent amount of time. Just my opinion.

free skin care · Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:18 pm

I just finished reading the PDF file from the Karen Herzog site, and I must admit, I am EXTREMELY sceptical concerning "blasting oxygen gas" into the skin as a cellulite treatment. To be quite honest, in my opinion this simple cannot be done by a cream or lotion. What is "carrying" the oxygen...in "gaseous" form...into the skin?? If you want to play word games in a "sales spin" form, then water, which is in ALL creams and lotions, contains one atom of Oxygen for every molecule of water. Therefore, EVERY cream and lotion that contains water, carries oxygen into the skin.

Can one of the users of these products please list the ingredients (the Karen Herzog site does not, which is a red flag in my opinion) so we can see which, if any, truly cellulite fighting active ingredients are in these products?

John

free skin care · Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:24 pm

Here is the list of ingredients for Silhouette - it's a very short list:

Aqua - Paraffinum Liquidum - Glycerin - Stearyl Alcohol - Polysorbate 20 - Hydrogen Peroxide - Parfum - and that's it!!

free skin care · Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:01 pm

Thanks leeleedeedee, the ingredients list, as usual, says it all. Let's take a close look at it.

First, the primary ingredient is water which is typical for a cream or lotion. Noticing the short list of ingredients, the water content here could be 60% or higher. And keep in mind, the cost of water in a formula is about 1 US cent per kilogram! So one kilogram of this formula only costs 60 cents (or slightly more if the water content is higher) to start with. Therefore, a 150ml tube would only cost 9 cents for 60 -70% of its content!!

Next, paraffinum liquidum is going to be a liquid wax, part of the "oil phase" to give texture and feel for the lotion. Nothing spectacular here, and it's certainly not an anti-cellulite ingredient. It's also another inexpensive raw material, probably loaded at about 5 to 10%.

Glycerin is a humectant that draws water to itself so this would be a moisturizing agent in the formula. Glycerin is dirt cheap, and is probably loaded at about 3 to 5% in this formula.

The Stearyl Alcohol and the Polysorbate 20 are probably used as the emulsifying system in this formula. They hold the liquid wax and the parfum (fragrance) in the water to create a cream or lotion. Neither of these are anti-cellulite ingredients, and they are also low cost raw materials.

...Hydrogen Peroxide....OK, here it is. This is where they are claiming the "gaseous oxygen" blast. If you've ever put drug store hydrogen peroxide on your skin after getting a cut, you notice how it bubbles up which is a gas release. But, this happens on contact and is very fleeting. The molecule does contain oxygen and some of it is probably released in gas form, but certainly not deep into the skin layer!! No way! And notice that it is next to last in the ingredients list, which means it is a very low loading, perhaps as low as 1 or 2%. Not much activity can be expected from a low loading like that.

Bottom line, the product had a price of 33 pounds for the 150ml bottle. That's about $66.00 US Dollars. The cost of the ingredients to make the 150ml product in my opinion is about $1.00 or even less!! The Hydrogen Peroxide will make your skin tingle, but so what, if it can't take the oxygen deep into the skin where the cellulite is trapped.

After seeing this ingredients list, all I can say is please take your $66.00 US dollars elsewhere and find a product that contains real anti-cellulite active ingredients.

John

free skin care · Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:50 pm

Hydrogen Peroxide is not good for your skin. I used it for cuts, etc. During a visit to the hospital I was told by Nurses and Doctors that it actually damages the tissue.

free skin care · Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:07 am

NOTCH wrote:

After seeing this ingredients list, all I can say is please take your $66.00 US dollars elsewhere and find a product that contains real anti-cellulite active ingredients.

John, you might want to read the patent...while I am not a chemist, I found it to be quite interesting.

And having used this line for some time, I can tell you that the HP impact is far longer lasting than "fleeting"...I could not personally handle the impact of their VK2 face cream and had to stop using the whole line.

Also, there is a very specific manner of applying their topicals, and anyone not using that method is not exeperiencing what the product really offers.

There are also quite a few rave reviews for this product on the KH thread under the Product Reviews forum...this is the group that can best answer any questions that you may have.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=28480

free skin care · Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:35 am

doohicus wrote:

Hydrogen Peroxide is not good for your skin. I used it for cuts, etc. During a visit to the hospital I was told by Nurses and Doctors that it actually damages the tissue.

3% HP is good for the initial cleaning of a surface wound, but should not be used on deep wounds as it can impair the development of new tissue and disrupt the wound healing.

free skin care · Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:19 am

bethany wrote:

doohicus wrote:

Hydrogen Peroxide is not good for your skin. I used it for cuts, etc. During a visit to the hospital I was told by Nurses and Doctors that it actually damages the tissue.

3% HP is good for the initial cleaning of a surface wound, but should not be used on deep wounds as it can impair the development of new tissue and disrupt the wound healing.

Thanks for that clarification, Bethany. I was about to get concerned as I have been using hydrogen peroxide since childhood for surface wounds.

free skin care · Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:32 am

Thanks for your comment Bethany, I would like to read the Patent. Do you happen to have a Patent number for it that I can search? I still feel that there is no way to get "gaseous oxygen" deep into the layers of skin where subcutaneous fat in the form of cellulite resides. I want to see how they say they accomplish it.

I do know that there are many, proven active ingredients that do work against cellulite including individually, and in combination:
caffiene
aminophylline
areaumat samphira
Lanachrys 2B
Ruscogenins

When I look for a subcutaneous fat/cellulite removal product, I look for these active ingredients, and I always watch journals for new active ingredients being released for use. I think you know that Sandy and I are competitive bodybuilders, and we use this type of product to eliminate as much of the subcutaneous fat from under our skin a possible before a show. It gives us an edge that is often needed to place high in competition.

Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:34 pm

John, Here is one of the patent links that were posted when KH first got so popular on EDS:

http://www.google.no/patents?id=yVsBAAAAEBAJ

free skin care · Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:20 pm

Thanks so much for the Patent reference havana8. It appears that this concept for Vitamin A, hydrogen peroxide, and glucose was Patented in 1993. The concept is very interesting. The glucose is supposed to break down in the presence of hydrogen peroxide to drive Vitamin A into the skin. I suspect that this physical chemistry concept is correct.

However, in this specific case where we are talking about an anti-cellulite cosmetic product I would like to point out several things that still makes me suspicious.

1) The ingredients list does not contain "glucose" at all. So, there is no glucose to break down in the presence of hydrogen peroxide. Thus, no "gaseous oxygen" can form...

2) A cosmetic supplier known as B & T, which I am not affiliated with in any way, has come out with a whole series of Olive based raw materials. They often compete head to head against Glucose, and glucose based raw materials. I went to one of their technical seminars this past fall, and they had Transepidermal water loss data (TEWL) that showed glucose materials actually dry out the skin as compared to olive based raw materials, among others. This concept is further reinforced by a recent Scandavian based University study that stated most creams and lotions dry out the skin over time rather than moisturize. This is all due to using incorrect emollients and emulsifying systems, and glucose is among those raws. Apparently, KH and the Patent process neglected to mention this fact, which is their right, but it's not very good news to unsuspecting consumers.

3) As I suspected...the Patent lists several "typical" formulas. In each formula, over 70% of water is used. That means the costs of most of the KH formulas of this type has to be dirt cheap to manufacture. So, why are they charging $66.00 per 150ml bottle?? This is one of my pet peaves concerning the big cosmetic houses who gouge the consumer with ridiculously high prices.

John

free skin care · Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:51 am

Has anyone used the cellulite and B12 duo on their tummy? Does it work? I am hoping that it will help me with the stretch mark and to reduce my flabby tummy.

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