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Tue May 30, 2006 6:34 am  |
Thanks Mary! I hope I'll be able to master MMU technique one day! Where do you get your ingredients for the primer? Did the primer help minimize the pores a lot? I have large pores and so far the pores look to be enlarged with makeup on. My skin seems to be more oily now than before. Yesterday my HB said that my skin is so shiny. No matter how I looked, he never commented about my skin before. I guess it must be extremely bad this time!  I thought it should be less oily as we get older not more oily.  |
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Tue May 30, 2006 11:49 am |
Hi tidieu,
I got the pearl powder and the silk powder from
http://www.tkbtrading.com/
The pearl powder isn't finely ground, so I had to use my mortar and pestle to make it finer.
However, my skin isn't nearly as oily as it once was ... so while this primer works for me, I'm not sure how it would work for a really oily skin.
When my skin gets a little more oily than normal, I add corn starch to it ... and that seems to keep things "mattified".
As for pores and lines, both the pearl and the silk help to "diffuse" the light away ... and looking into the mirror, it really does minimize them. However, if I were to take my 12X magnifying mirror ... I'd be able to see them. That said, the same can be said for Smashbox Photofinish Primer ... only it felt too slick on my face.
I had to remind myself that no one, except me, looks at my skin with a 12X magnifying mirror! 
For the area where my pores are large, I do use a large taklon brush [got at my neighbourhood art supply store] and apply it in downward strokes.
The trick for me is to ensure that it's "mattified" ... and then the pores aren't quite as obvious. Pores appear larger when the skin is slick with oil. You might want to try a thin layer of corn starch as a primer ... and see how that works. If you like it ... but it's just not "enough" ... then try the pearl/silk powder combination. That's how I began.
Good luck.
Mary |
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Tue May 30, 2006 12:07 pm |
| Thanks Mary! My skin is so bad that I wouldn't dare looking at it with a 12X magnifying mirror! |
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Tue May 30, 2006 2:02 pm |
*sigh*
Yet another article about how the French are inherently superior to Americans. Why? To make the French feel more important? To make Americans hate the French? Who knows? I found it to be silly and full of annoying generalizations.
I think American women probably spend as much or more than the French on skincare. Who doesn't want to have beautiful skin? The only difference is that their federal government subsidizes their beauty regimens! (And wouldn't that make the French even more obsessed with the beauty/appearance of their women than Americans?)
As for "trying too hard", a la Nicole Richie and Britney Spears, I think it's more a matter of having fun with your look than anything else. Why not pile on the lipgloss and bangles and scarves? I think one of the nicer parts of being a woman is the freedom to create your own image, then change it, at the stroke of an eyeliner or the donning of a pair of heels. Who wants to go around looking plain jane everyday? Live a little, people! |
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Tue May 30, 2006 4:16 pm |
| Not to disagree with you but how does the government subsidise their beauty treatments? I live in Sweden the land of "government handouts" and we don't do anything of the sort here so how does this happen in France? |
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Tue May 30, 2006 6:43 pm |
Hi tidieu,
Well ... it's not that my skin is "good enough" to put it to the scrutiny of a 12X magnifying mirror ... it's that without my glasses I can't see my face without a 12X magnifying mirror.
When I look into that 12X magnifying mirror with my glasses on ... well ... we won't go into that horror!
However, if I want to see those nasty little chin hairs that I want to pluck out ... I really need to use that 12X magnifying mirror!
And, believe it or not, I was very depressed about my skin because of my 12X magnifying mirror ... until my lovely step-daughter [bless her!] pointed out that no one else looked that closely at my skin!
Mary |
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Tue May 30, 2006 8:39 pm |
"The most beautiful makeup for a woman is passion" is the famous quotation of the designer Yves Saint Laurent. "But cosmetics are easier to buy."
So funny!!!, and so French!!!
I was reading this wondering where Australians come into this, I could be fairly certain that although most Australian women wear make-up everyday, only occassionally do I see someone and think that they've really caked it on, for the most part, I think Australians are still laidback about these sort of things and like to look natural.
BUT...my grandmother,who is not French, but insists on being called Marnie (a French grandmother apparently),is in her early 70's and has worn make-up every day and has always taken care of herself and her appearance. I hope I look like she does when I get older, and have the same pride in my appearance like her (even in her trackies in the garden she has her lipstick on!!!). She's not vain about it, and does not wear a mask everyday but is such a LADY (always matches her lipstick to her clothing and accessories etc...). I think it doesn't matter how you do things, as long as it gives you the confidence and happiness you want to feel good about yourself.
In a perfect world, we'd all have beautiful skin - but as I always say how boring would the world be if we were all the same??? |
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Wed May 31, 2006 12:32 am |
| melissa49 wrote: |
| She's not vain about it, and does not wear a mask everyday but is such a LADY (always matches her lipstick to her clothing and accessories etc...). |
sorry to get on a tangent, but HOW DO women do this??? okay, yeah, they go out and buy different colours.... i mean, how do they carry it off? are some women naturally a more neutral palette? i, for instance, have a coral scarf that looks fabulous next to my skin but would look downright scary on my lips. sigh, guess i'll never be a lady. loved the quote, BTW. |
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Wed May 31, 2006 2:21 am |
Yes, she does have neutral colouring I guess, her hair is a beige to platinum blonde (NEVER grey!!). Only last month I saw here wearing a beautiful mauve skirt, white shirt and MAUVE lipstick!!! She just pulls it off, I guess and looks lovely and ladylike! However, I agree that mauve lipstick, and coral lipstick for that matter would look downright scary on me too (I suppose some would say you try and wear colours that you could match in make-up??? )
Oh, and the quote was from the article, I liked it too and will no doubt use that in the future!  |
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Wed May 31, 2006 8:18 am |
"It really astonishes me the way American women wear so much makeup," said Laura Mercier
This spoken by a women that makes a good living marketing her "Flawless Face" to American women! I love that she claims that it only takes 7 steps (and products) to achieve a perfectly "NATURAL" complection and then she is quoted as saying that American women wear too much makeup! Personally I could care less how much (or less) makeup a women wears...if she looks good then SO WHAT! |
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Wed May 31, 2006 8:34 am |
SophieMarceau {French}
Audrey Taotou [French]
Charlize Theron [American]
Angelina Jolie {American}
I have posted pics of famous French actresses and American actresses in a photo shoot or at a premeire. All of them wear make-up but it seems that the French prefer to wear matte make-up, while in America the glossy lip and J.lo bronzy glow is very popular. Both looks require just as much make-up.
I'm sure the non-famous french and american woman are similar to each other. There are those french and american women who put on too much makeup and look like drag queens, and then there are those who dont wear any makeup. But people tend to read the media and look at famous actors or models who seem to "represent" the rest of France or America. French women look at American actresses like Jenifer Lopez or Britney Spears since they are all over the magazines and internet, and the French get an impression that Americans wear too much makeup. American music video's are played all around the world. And in these Video's it is clear even to us North Americans that these artists wear lots of make-up. Very few of us would go on our day to day basis wearing fake lashes etc. like this:
So I think we shouldn't stereotype a culture or country based on what we see in the media because it doesnt justify the other millions of women living in that country.
There is another misunderstanding that the French seem to get from Americans. And that is the idea that American women are trashy and sleezy, and the French women are classy. Again, I think it's just a interpretation the French get from looking at all these famous American celebrities. Since America produces one of the most famous celebrities in the whole world, and these celebrities are being viewed everywhere... what a celebrity wears and behaves seems to set the blueprint of what the rest of the country must be like. Thats why when I see music video's of Britney spears or Paris Hilton in tiny bra's and mini skirts, you have to remember all across the world in China people are viewing this and getting a impression of what American's are like based on this. |
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Wed May 31, 2006 10:30 am |
Charlize Theron is South African actually. Sophie Marceau is so gorgeous! I love that made-up natural but flawless looking makeup look. It's their hair also, they wear it more casual and relaxed. And also don't do much to the eyes. I wish I knew how to do it. I can't really re-create any makeup looks. I hardly wear any makeup not because I'm not vain, but because I don't know how to and am also very lazy and impatient. I want in and out of the bathroom as quick as possible. I hardly have patients to blow dry my hair. Some of those woman for premiers and stuff but more often for movies sit in the makeup chairs for hours. When I was 17 I had a guy do my makeup and it seemed to take forever, I was so bored it drove me crazy. So certainly not even these famous babes, when they don't have a makeup artist do it don't wear that much makeup.
Angelina Jolie also looks kind of French to me, I think she has some French in her. And can also look very natural and look great. Depends on their makeup artist I guess.
http://photoscelebrites.online.fr/angelina-jolie/01/A_J_020.jpg
http://www.consolesandgadgets.com/wallpapers/pictures/Angelina%20Jolie/Angelina%20Jolie_23.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3047/AngelinaJo_Devan_4856242_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Jolie,%20Angelina&seq=57
And French Girl:
http://www.dealante.com/upload/nodos/2005/6/5/doc-38935.jpg
http://www.anti-x.org/bbs/attachments/forumid_7/w0UZ_M-Theuriau-0263.jpg
Soft colors but a whole lot of it!
Even though I have never worn foundation etc. and a whole face, the more that I see of myself in digital camera's and digital video, the more I want to start! I mean full on face mask, or maybe just a bag! LOL!
Has anyone else noticed this? I used to think I was attractive, naturally. Until we bought our first digital camera years ago. Not only do they capture and illuminate every flaw but there is no more discretion on how many to take and where, or getting a good shot since they are free basically. I've gotten caught many times sneaking on my husband's computer and erasing them! Makes him so pissed, but it's not like I could get through all the thousands of them. I'm so camera shy now. My computer has a built in video camera now and I tested it out. I look in the mirror and I look alright, then I look in that thing and it's the most depressing and worst looking image of myself I've ever seen. Changes the whole shape of my face too, like a distorted lens thing! I want a full drawer of makeup now! |
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Wed May 31, 2006 2:50 pm |
| Everyone is diffrent. To say and entire race does their makeup or diet the same is totally stupid. The truth is some people like looking more natural while other's like more drama. |
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Wed May 31, 2006 4:00 pm |
| Thankyou Daniel!!!! I say to each his own!!!In my quest to better myself spiritually a few things I've learned....Stop being offended and don't judge.Respect each other!If someone likes to wear a ton of makeup,great!If they want to wear a bare face,good for them!Whatever floats your boat baby!Personally I don't feel comfortable unless I at least try to look my best and for me that means covering my flaws and maybe a bit of eyeliner and shadow.Thats me.My sis feels totally comfortable without any mu and I give her all the credit in the world for loving herself so much!Thats not to say that I don't love myself,I most definately do.I just haven't gotten to the enlightened state she seems to have found!I am vain!!!!Years of being up on stage may have something to do with it,I don't know.I'll tell ya though,it makes getting older very hard,do it gracefully?I think not!I'm fighting it every step of the way!!!!!Someone else said,"Everybodies Beautiful" I totally agree!!!! |
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Wed May 31, 2006 4:42 pm |
| daniel7654 wrote: |
| Everyone is diffrent. To say and entire race does their makeup or diet the same is totally stupid. The truth is some people like looking more natural while other's like more drama. |
I agree with this. I mean, there are bound to be cultural differences between French and American women, but when it comes to the beauty, a sort of culture in and of itself, it's mostly the same, I think. Some women like natural looks, some like drama. Myself, it just depends on what mood I'm in and also how much time I have to put makeup on.
As for celebrities, that's a whole other can of worms! What we see of them, at awards shows and in magazines, they don't even do their own makeup! WHo knows what they really like to wear, French or American. |
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:42 am |
| quivers wrote: |
I was wondering what everyone thinks about the recent article in the new york times about french women's attitude towards makeup vs. american women's--
it says that we only like a glow and our natural face to shine through, while american women love to cover their faces with pounds and pounds of makeup... |
Forgive me if this sentiment has already been expressed but I just spotted this thread as one I'd bookmarked to check out later and haven't yet had the opportunity to read everyone's comments all the way through.
But...
I always thought that it was the Latina women that loved to cover their faces with pounds and pounds and layer upon layer of makeup. I'd rather see a "natural" beauty (the one's with that natural glow that look like they're not wearing any makeup at all) than one wearing so much gunk that her face might crack if she were to change expression. Latina women always wear so much makeup that you can't tell what they truly look like underneath it all. In fact, you probably wouldn't recognize them without their "war paint!" |
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:50 am |
Carekate, I've often wondered if part of the amount of face makeup on a Latina woman is due to economics. There is a huge difference between shopping for foundation at the drugstore or dollar store and shopping for one at Saks (I've done both!). The cheaper alternative certainly looks heavier and more fake.
I get inspired by a Latina woman's dedication to looking pretty (even if it's over-the-top for me because I like to look natural and spend too much time at it, I think!) just because at least she is comfortable and having fun with being a woman. I used to live in Chicago for a long time (I'm in Denver now) and I lived and worked with a lot of Latinas. I always enjoyed being feminine around them because I like being a woman. I went to college in Boulder, CO (which is very hippy) and there was always an element that if you were made-up or overly concerned about such superficial issues then you just weren't environmentalist or "real" enough. It got old because I just LOVE makeup and skin care! Anyway, I may not like the warpaint look myself, but it's nice that they at least care enough to try to have fun with themselves! |
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:38 am |
| ellyp wrote: |
| Anyway, I may not like the warpaint look myself, but it's nice that they at least care enough to try to have fun with themselves! |
I agree with that sentiment, but I think they might also take it too far or too seriously. Apparently in South America, if you ask a little girl what she wants to be when she grows up and they all answer, "Miss Universe!" From around the age of kindergarten, they actually send little girls to a sort of "charm school" where they are taught how to be a beauty pagent contestant: how to walk, how to talk, how to smile, how to stand, how to hold a microphone, how to answer interview questions -- they are all little Jon-Benets down there, only it's the girls themselves who want it and not their pushy stage-moms! The scariest part about it is that these pre-teen girls are even getting cosmetic surgery done on themselves before their bodies have even had the chance to develop on their own. And if a girl DOESN'T make it to a national pageant or into the Top 10 or whatever, apparently they are stigmatized as being not pretty enough/ugly and their self-worth is all invested in whether or not they look good in a bikini and evening gown and whether or not they have a sash and crown to wear.
Yeah, I realize some of the American beauty pageant contestants also take the pursuit of winning to extremes (especially in TX where for a while the Miss America or Miss USA title -- I get them mixed up -- was won by Texans for several consecutive years so there were whispers that the contests were rigged or the Texas gals were cheating somehow). But if you took a poll and asked 1,000 teenage American girls what their aspirations were, I doubt that "being Miss Universe" would be a single answer but if you conducted that same poll in Latin America...well, I doubt there would be a single little girl who *didn't* give that answer!
I just hate to think what that kind of pressure to always look/be beautiful and perfect is doing to the psyche of those girls.... |
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:55 pm |
| I was trying so hard to not get into all that and keep it on just the makeup part! There is very much a part of the culture that puts down a woman if she doesn't toe that beauty line. I have always found that part extremely sad and, hmmmm how to say?, chauvinistic. There are so many more wonderful qualities to a woman then her outward appearance. I sometimes get sad when I think about that with the Latino culture (and a lot of other cultures as well). I was trying to dwell on the good part of their desire to look good because I know it must be a double-edged sword for many Latinas. Heck, it's a hard issue for ME to deal with and I don't have that type of pressure!! |
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:03 am |
| ellyp wrote: |
| I was trying so hard to not get into all that and keep it on just the makeup part! There is very much a part of the culture that puts down a woman if she doesn't toe that beauty line. I have always found that part extremely sad and, hmmmm how to say?, chauvinistic. There are so many more wonderful qualities to a woman then her outward appearance. I sometimes get sad when I think about that with the Latino culture (and a lot of other cultures as well). I was trying to dwell on the good part of their desire to look good because I know it must be a double-edged sword for many Latinas. Heck, it's a hard issue for ME to deal with and I don't have that type of pressure!! |
No kidding. I have a lot of Latina coworkers and a couple of them have wanted to get their hair cut in a short/chic style but they won't do it because their man likes it long. That is just so foreign to me because I do what I like and wear what I like and no man is going to dictate to me that I have to wear my hair long or how I dress or what I have to look like in order to be considered presentable/beautiful/worthwhile. |
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