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Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:09 am |
Camelia wrote: |
That is a lot of hairs to lose from each eyebrow. Were you combing them through and that amount just all came out all at once? And you weren't using any kind of Revitalash or Jan Marini at the time? |
Yes, it's a lot although my eyebrows are thick. The eyebrow hairs curled/twisted around and fell off. I combed them through a few times every day to count how many would fall off. I also noticed that my eyelashes became stiffer and changed texture, but they did not shed like the eyebrow hairs. The hairloss also affected my body hair. I have not been using an eyelash/eyebrow serum.
Camelia wrote: |
I'm perfectly open to the fact that it could well be the tretinoin gel. It does worry me though. I mean, what is the right length of time to stop using any type of retinoid before trying for a baby for example? Considering that retinoids have been shown to cause birth defects particularly in the first trimester. Do the medical profession even know? Given that the intensity of it's effects seem to differ from person to person? |
Exactly. I am surprised and frightened that topical application of a low dose tretinoin cream can have this impact on my hair follicles. I applied a 0.025 % concentration on face, neck and decolletage 3-4 times a week, and hairloss occured after two months. |
_________________ Female, 40, Norway. Normal/dry skin, starting to see signs of aging. Staples: Glycolic acid cleanser, SkinCeuticals Phloretin CF, Revaleskin, NIA24. |
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Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:49 am |
I also lose a lot of hair, after I have washed my hair my hands are full of hair
And when I have combed it above the sink the sink is also ful of (also broken) hair.
Fortunatedly I have a lot of hair, although it is very thin (blonds seem to have the most hairs of all colours)
I am not surprised what topical tretinoin can do to you since I found out it has caused my allergy on different places of my skin then where I used it. That can only mean it goes through your skin and maybe will be transported through your bloodstream |
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Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:53 am |
Septembergirl wrote: |
fat_swan wrote: |
Septembergirl wrote: |
I myself had to stop using Retin-A because of acute hair loss and eye brow loss (telogen effluvium) that occurred last September, eight weeks after I started using the cream. |
Septembergirl, did you use Retin-A on your scalp, are those the areas that you experienced hair loss? Or did you apply it on your face and lose hair on your head?
I ask because I've been using Tazorac for about 1 1/2 yrs now, and and in this time I have noticed significant hair loss as well. Only 'til a minute ago did I make the correlation between the Taz and my hair. I wonder if Taz can affect hair loss in the same way as Retin-A..? Thanks! |
Hi, fat_swan.
I was using tretinoin cream on my face, neck and decolletage 3-5 days a week. I did not use it on my scalp. Tretinoin gets absorbed into the bloodstream, and caused hair loss from my head, as well as eyebrows and body hair.
I have written about my experience in this thread:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=31107&highlight=tretinoin
I don't want to scare people, and I believe most people can use vitamin A creams without any problems, but I think it's important to be aware that it may cause long term hair loss with some unlucky people (like f.ex. me). I am a bit annoyed that hair loss is not mentioned as a side effect on the package, and that most dermatologists therefore seem to deny it. |
Septembergirl, when you stopped using tretinoin, how long did it take for your hair to regain its thickness? And how long did it take for you to notice/feel a difference? Have you been taking anything to help with the regrowth?
I'm so confused about whether or not Tazorac is the culprit to my hair loss, because I haven't noticed a difference in my eyebrows or lashes. But to be honest, I also use Rogaine and Lumigan on those areas on a regular basis.
Also, my hair has become extremely dry and rough (like straw), but I thought it was due to the fact that my idiot hair dresser sold me a tub of hair protein to use as a daily conditioner... Now I'm having second thoughts... I actually posted about this a couple weeks ago for help http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=32616&highlight=hair+conditioner+protein
I just had my blood taken for a hormone and thyroid test last week, and should get the results back in another 2 wks. I'm definitely gonna drill my derm about this tretinoin-hair loss relationship!
This is all so shocking to me!! |
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Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:26 am |
fat_swan wrote: |
Septembergirl wrote: |
fat_swan wrote: |
Septembergirl wrote: |
I myself had to stop using Retin-A because of acute hair loss and eye brow loss (telogen effluvium) that occurred last September, eight weeks after I started using the cream. |
Septembergirl, did you use Retin-A on your scalp, are those the areas that you experienced hair loss? Or did you apply it on your face and lose hair on your head?
I ask because I've been using Tazorac for about 1 1/2 yrs now, and and in this time I have noticed significant hair loss as well. Only 'til a minute ago did I make the correlation between the Taz and my hair. I wonder if Taz can affect hair loss in the same way as Retin-A..? Thanks! |
Hi, fat_swan.
I was using tretinoin cream on my face, neck and decolletage 3-5 days a week. I did not use it on my scalp. Tretinoin gets absorbed into the bloodstream, and caused hair loss from my head, as well as eyebrows and body hair.
I have written about my experience in this thread:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=31107&highlight=tretinoin
I don't want to scare people, and I believe most people can use vitamin A creams without any problems, but I think it's important to be aware that it may cause long term hair loss with some unlucky people (like f.ex. me). I am a bit annoyed that hair loss is not mentioned as a side effect on the package, and that most dermatologists therefore seem to deny it. |
Septembergirl, when you stopped using tretinoin, how long did it take for your hair to regain its thickness? And how long did it take for you to notice/feel a difference? Have you been taking anything to help with the regrowth?
I'm so confused about whether or not Tazorac is the culprit to my hair loss, because I haven't noticed a difference in my eyebrows or lashes. But to be honest, I also use Rogaine and Lumigan on those areas on a regular basis.
Also, my hair has become extremely dry and rough (like straw), but I thought it was due to the fact that my idiot hair dresser sold me a tub of hair protein to use as a daily conditioner... Now I'm having second thoughts... I actually posted about this a couple weeks ago for help http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=32616&highlight=hair+conditioner+protein
I just had my blood taken for a hormone and thyroid test last week, and should get the results back in another 2 wks. I'm definitely gonna drill my derm about this tretinoin-hair loss relationship!
This is all so shocking to me!! |
Hi, fat_swan (I hope that is not your real name)
I think it took about 4-8 weeks after I stopped using tretinoin gel (0.25 %) till the hair on my scalp stopped shedding and I woke up without lots of hair on my pillow. I have not been taking anything to help with regrowth.
I provided a link about the hair loss I am experiencing, that is called telogen effluvium (TE), in my first post on this thread, and you may also want to google it. TE may affect only the scalp or all the hairs on your body, eyebrows etc.
As you can see from my previous posts in this thread, my hair texture changed and became rough and straw like. It did look sick or "poisoned", and the normal shine and lustre disappeared. My eyebrow hairs are still rough and they curl, but they are slowly getting better.
Feel free to drill your derm, but I doubt that she will acknowledge hair loss as a side effect from tretinoin because it's not scientifically proven. |
_________________ Female, 40, Norway. Normal/dry skin, starting to see signs of aging. Staples: Glycolic acid cleanser, SkinCeuticals Phloretin CF, Revaleskin, NIA24. |
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Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:58 am |
This is so depressing I want to cry!!!
Did you try an OTC retinol and compare the results of your hair? Thanks |
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Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:43 am |
fat_swan wrote: |
This is so depressing I want to cry!!!
Did you try an OTC retinol and compare the results of your hair? Thanks |
Before I began using tretinoin last summer, I had been using products containing retinol for about one year, but not on a regular basis and not as often as I was using the tretinoin cream. However, OTC creams containing retinol did not cause hair loss. When/if I stop losing eyebrow hairs, I might try an OTC retinol cream again, but I am not sure if I dare.
I know this is depressing! The good thing is that I am absolutely sure what caused my hair loss and hair problems and it DID get better within a few weeks after I stopped using the cream.
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_________________ Female, 40, Norway. Normal/dry skin, starting to see signs of aging. Staples: Glycolic acid cleanser, SkinCeuticals Phloretin CF, Revaleskin, NIA24. |
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Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:27 am |
Oy.. Ok gotta start researching on an OTC retinoid....
Thank you so much for enlightening me! |
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Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:47 pm |
Septembergirl,
In case your hair is not back to normal, you may want to try taking Phyto Phytophanere Dietary Supplement - Hair & Nails. One bottle last for 2 months and they say it takes at least 2 months to see results. I have been taking it about 1 month now. I have not noticed anything major accept that my nails grow pretty quick. I really looked into this product and it has awesome reviews on every website. The price is a bit steep, but you can get them sealed on Ebay for a lot less. |
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misakyan
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:37 am |
Hi, I'm A 18 Years Old,
And few months ago( in July ) I've Been using hair gell.
"Schwarzkopf Taft Power"
i've used it over 2-3 monts then i noticed
i was loosing hair.
now it's almoste 1 month i've stopt using it.
and stil i see no improvement..
my hair keeps falling... i can see my scall
it's gettiing thinner and thiner....
when i take a shower or make my hair wet yu can see my scall, i have not too short or not too long of hair....
i'm afraid...
what should i do???? |
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misakyan
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:39 am |
Septembergirl wrote: |
Camelia wrote: |
That is a lot of hairs to lose from each eyebrow. Were you combing them through and that amount just all came out all at once? And you weren't using any kind of Revitalash or Jan Marini at the time? |
Yes, it's a lot although my eyebrows are thick. The eyebrow hairs curled/twisted around and fell off. I combed them through a few times every day to count how many would fall off. I also noticed that my eyelashes became stiffer and changed texture, but they did not shed like the eyebrow hairs. The hairloss also affected my body hair. I have not been using an eyelash/eyebrow serum.
Camelia wrote: |
I'm perfectly open to the fact that it could well be the tretinoin gel. It does worry me though. I mean, what is the right length of time to stop using any type of retinoid before trying for a baby for example? Considering that retinoids have been shown to cause birth defects particularly in the first trimester. Do the medical profession even know? Given that the intensity of it's effects seem to differ from person to person? |
Exactly. I am surprised and frightened that topical application of a low dose tretinoin cream can have this impact on my hair follicles. I applied a 0.025 % concentration on face, neck and decolletage 3-4 times a week, and hairloss occured after two months. |
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Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:37 pm |
In reference to the use of castor oil for the eyebrows I have heard some stories of good results and bad results.
There does seem to be some situations where the use of castor oil can cause some extreme shedding even to the point of losing a major portion of the hair.
Some people say it grows back stronger and better others have said that they had to stop using it and wait for them to grow back.
But for some people the shedding never happens and the castor oil makes the eyebrows stronger and thicker....so go figure |
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hobuk
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Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:22 pm |
I am very glad I found these posts. I was prescribed Tretinoin cream six months ago and have noticed hair loss on my scalp and eyebrows. It takes 24 weeks for Renova to work or reach therapuedic levels, so I assume the same for Tretinoin cream, the Renova generic.
Well, now after six months I can really "see" the hair loss, and a week ago I had excessive shedding. In the meantime, I'm taking biotin 2500 mg, B-complex, and MSM 3,000 mg a day. I will stop using Tretinoin and post back in a while.
I also love castor oil. I use it on the ends of my hair with a natural moisturizer for extra conditioning. |
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Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:13 am |
I don't know if this has anything at all to do with hair loss, but I recently read an article in Life Extension Magazine that with some people taking vitamin A orally, it somehow interfered with their digestion of Vit D. They recommended increasing the levels of D3 for that and other reasons. The article was probably in one of their magazines in the last three months. The date their magazines a month ahead, so that would be Jan 2010, Dec 2009, or Nov 2009. You can access their magazines on line at lef.org. |
_________________ I am from LI, New York, and enjoy reading and sometimes posting on beauty boards |
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hobuk
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Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:12 pm |
Update. Seven months off Tretinoin 0.25 cream and still experiencing hair loss. My hair is so thin, it's depressing. MSM hasn't done a thing, except perhaps deplete zinc from my body. I will take zinc (30 mg/day) for a week only to see what happens.
..'been reading frightening things about tretinoin, which is topical Accutane. Accutane was a chemotherapy drug and can permanently arrest cell division and destroy moisture retaining molecules in your body. Hair loss may be permanent. It's hard to imagine that all this can happen from such a low dose.
I know after I started it I didn't sleep for weeks, joint pain, got migraines for the first time in 15 years, facial hair, and hair loss continues until now.
I've read tretinoin inhibits aromatase and so there is an abundance of testosterone, which may be why some women get more facial hair.
For what it's worth: accutane acidifies the body. Lecithin and peppermint oil caps will help to eliminate acid oil soluble compounds. Lemon juice, water, and 1/2 tsp baking soda(fizz gone) two times a day for two weeks will help alkalize the body. Use ph strips to test urine.
This is what I'm doing now. Will post back later. |
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Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:52 am |
That's scary and depressing to read. I have been using Retin A for 10-11 years or so...and no troubles. However, when I was on Accutane there was a definite drop in hair. To combat that, I used Nioxin hair care products and had no more trouble.
I believe it is something like 60% of whatever we put on our skin, will be absorbed into the body. Each person will react differently.
Came across this study while surfing for something that might help a friend of mine.
Hay and researchers recruited 84 people with diagnosed alopecia areata. During the seven-month trial, participants suspended use of topical or oral alopecia medications. Instead, half used a blend of cedarwood (2 drops, 94 mg), lavender (3 drops, 108 mg), rosemary (3 drops, 114 mg) and thyme (2 drops, 88 mg) in a carrier oil mix of jojoba (3 mL) and grapeseed (20 mL). The placebo group used just the carrier oils. Subjects were taught to rub the oil into the bare areas of their scalp for two minutes each evening and then to wrap a warm towel around their head to enhance absorption
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Whole article From The September 2000 Issue of Nutrition Science News
Essential Oils Can Help Regrow Hair
by Richard N. Podell, M.D.
So much importance is placed on appearance in this society that retaining one's hair borders on obsession. Regardless of the cause—be it genes, hormones, drugs or illness—hair loss can cause anxiety and stress. The number of national television ads for hair-growth drugs speaks volumes about the market for regrowth remedies. Thus, a treatment that offers moderate hair growth and no significant side effects could be a boon. Enter four promising essential oils. |
I have also read that many people using Seakelp bioferment / ferment also experience hair regrowth. It's "natural" and IME has been rather fabulous...so...maybe worth a shot. |
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hobuk
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:25 am |
We are all different. I read an extremely complicated research article on an enzyme some people don't have that actually prevents the body from eliminating retinoic acid. Obviously, not all persons will experience symptoms of A-toxicity form retin-A.
In addition, I know a lot of people with alopecia areata... very stress related. I've seen their hair always grows back though; messaging with healing oils is definitely helpful.
I believe my problem is systemic. I am changing everything about my diet to stay alkaline (five days now). Quitting MSM. Will begin Sepia (homeopathic), messaging oils, and Hyaluronic acid. In a study with many victims of accutane HA helped a lot. |
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hobuk
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:08 pm |
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I've taken the alkalizing route because I have other symptoms of an over-acidic system: cysts--one on my ear and one on my wrists--which I have never had before in my life. Cysts are a dead give-away of overly acidic blood. |
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:38 pm |
I am reposting recipes that worked wonders for my oldest daughter 5-6 years ago, she had blood clots due to the pill and was 5 days in the hospital on Heparin and at home taking Coumadin for over a year. Her hair became terribly thin and brittle, she had massive hair loss! HTH
Recipes for encouraging hair growth one oil scalp treatment and one shampoo
1 oz Jojoba oil
4 drops Clary sage oil
4 drops Rosemary oil
2 drops Cederwood oil
2 drops Ylang Ylang oil
that is the basic recipe
I also like to add 2/3 drops peppermint as it
also stimulates circulation.
Add all to a container and gently mix, mix before each use.
Massage some on scalp every day. Leave on at least 30 minutes (overnight if you can) use just enough to massage, too much and it may drip and that can be a pain!
Shampoo.
That is it.
Shampoo for thinning hair:
8 oz unsented shampoo
12 drops Rosemary oil
10 drops Clary Sage oil
8 drops Cederwood oil
6 drops Ylang Ylang oil
again I like to add some peppermint oil
just blend and use, always blend before use. |
_________________ I'LL SEE YOU ON THE DARKSIDE OF THE MOON.... |
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Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:53 pm |
DarkMoon wrote: |
I am reposting recipes that worked wonders for my oldest daughter 5-6 years ago, she had blood clots due to the pill and was 5 days in the hospital on Heparin and at home taking Coumadin for over a year. Her hair became terribly thin and brittle, she had massive hair loss! HTH
Recipes for encouraging hair growth one oil scalp treatment and one shampoo
1 oz Jojoba oil
4 drops Clary sage oil
4 drops Rosemary oil
2 drops Cederwood oil
2 drops Ylang Ylang oil
that is the basic recipe
I also like to add 2/3 drops peppermint as it
also stimulates circulation.
Add all to a container and gently mix, mix before each use.
Massage some on scalp every day. Leave on at least 30 minutes (overnight if you can) use just enough to massage, too much and it may drip and that can be a pain!
Shampoo.
That is it.
Shampoo for thinning hair:
8 oz unsented shampoo
12 drops Rosemary oil
10 drops Clary Sage oil
8 drops Cederwood oil
6 drops Ylang Ylang oil
again I like to add some peppermint oil
just blend and use, always blend before use. |
Darkmoon, a few questions for you.
How long would you recommend the oil treatment?
I have thinning hair near the forehead area only. Is it okay if I just massage the oil treatment in that area only?
What do you think of this online retailer?
http://www.100pureessentialoils.com/ |
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Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:34 am |
Septembergirl, how are your hair now?
I started Obagi Tretinoin in February this year. I have been very happy how my skin looked and felt for all these months. I have always had problems with my hair though. I have a lot of grey hair, so I have to color them every month for almost 15 years and all this time I have had hair loss (more or less!). Still, from the beginning I had a lot of hair and didn't worry THAT MUCH. I take MSM for few years already, I also use biotin, silica and multi-vitamins (none of them reduced my hair loss, by the way). Just recently, I started to experience severe hair loss to that point that I can see almost a bald spot on the top of my head. It's really terrifying now. I haven't changed my supplement routine or my diet.. I've changed my hairdresser I have been treating my hair with different hair colors for so many years that I cannot believe that the reason for my problem could be a new hair color! Just by chance I found your post about your unlucky experience with tretinoin. I probably stop to use it for a while and will see what happens |
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Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:34 pm |
Hairloss is a definite side effect of tretinoin, oral and topical forms. However, with the topical forms, you should only experience hairloss in areas where you actually apply the product. If you're experiencing hair loss diffusely throughout the body, then you probably need to consider something else as the cukprit. |
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Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:07 pm |
Hi ladies,
Been using Tretinion for over 5years, seems no problem for me at all. I think food might be a culprit on this hair loss.....
Jouke wrote: |
Oh nooooooooo!!!!! I have been using tretinoin for four years now, starting from 0,01% to 0,04% now, and it has done more for my skin then anything else!! I was convinced that I would never stop using it!!
But I also have major hair problems for the last three years
On the top side of my head my hair won't grow, I have tried everything: MSM, scalp massage, expensive hairdressers and shampoo, vitamins, a healthy diet......
Nothing helps
Now you're telling me I have to quit tretinoin??
So it is a choice between beautiful skin and beautiful hair......
Maybe I could stop with tretinoin and see what happens to my skin......maybe I can find another product that also works.......
Well, thanks anyway Septembergirl, provided you're right (and I am afraid you are ), at least I have a choice....... |
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tikeroo
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:48 am |
Hi Septembergirl and all,
I have been using RetinA/tretinoin 0.05% for 20 years. It has saved my sun-damaged and blemished skin. I have always had a LOT of long hair (more than most women) and always in very good to excellent condition. I don't use products on my hair or tight clips. My hair started falling out September 1, 2011, much more than usual. I have counted anywhere from 50 up to 250 hairs in a day. Nothing in my routine or life has changed. Went to my dermatologist, a derm specializing in hair loss (quite pricey and NOT reimbursable!), a rheumatologist, and endocrinologist. All tests are normal - I couldn't be healthier. I'm 57 - pm for 7 years now. I accidentally came across research about Vit. A toxicity and I'm wondering if after 20 years of tretinoin whether this could be true. I have a call in to my derm specialist and will pose the question to him. I predict he will "poo poo" and respond that not enough can be absorbed. However, I think everyone is an individual and what may not be toxic to the average person may, in fact, affect someone else differently!! For now, I have stopped using my nightly tretinoin to see if the fallout slows. |
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tikeroo
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:56 am |
What I forgot to ask (sorry, I'm new here,lol) is . . I bought minoxidil 5% as that is what each doc suggested to me in the absence of any disease process going on. I am absolutely TERRIFIED to start using it, mostly because of the expected increased hair shedding during the first 2 weeks of use. I fear that I will be close to bald should that increase shedding be a lot. I'm afraid that the increased shedding will continue AFTER the 2 weeks. Can any of you relate your experience with this? Also, at what point did you decide to start the Rogaine? I keep waiting and waiting for the day that my hair stops falling out so I don't have to start using it. |
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tikeroo
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Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:17 am |
I spoke to my hair loss specialist/derm yesterday and asked him his thoughts about vit.A toxicity from RetinA possibly causing hair loss. He said he has been studying this his entire life (he's in his 60s) and it is about as likely as a martian landing tomorrow. He added that the amount absorbed through the skin is less than what you would get in a multi-vitamin. Still, I'm not going to restart my RetinA just yet. |
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