PLEASE - PLEASE - RESPOND!!! Sunscreen
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:19 am

You can wear sunblock under your make-up, but I advise letting it penetrate for about five minutes before applying your foundation. Otherwise, your foundation will not go on as smoothly.

One to consider: La Roche Posay - Anthelios L SPF 60.

Also, applying a foundation primer OVER your skincare, will ensure a better, smoother application of cosmetics.

free skin care · Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:40 pm

An important distinction is that CHEMICAL sunblocks need time to penetrate the skin, whereas PHYSICAL ones do not (and if you rub in a physical sunblock too much you're actually taking away from its effectiveness, as there needs to be enough product to form a barrier on your skin).

I personally am only into physical sunblocks, as I am mildly allergic to many chemical ones, and I believe they are harmful to your skin and can even exacerbate sun damage. Feel free to reply or PM me for why, or you can search in the forums; there's lots of info on that topic.

But here are a few recommendations of sunblocks whose formulations I have enjoyed, and which gave me (very fair skin) good protection:

First, for years I used Clinique Super City Block SPF 25. I don't totally love the formulation, but it was much less greasy and creepy than many others.

Now, I swear by Juice Beauty SPF 30 Tinted Moisturizer. It's a high SPF that doesn't look too chalky or weird on my skin, and it sticks well to the skin, seems to last and protect well, and is all-natural and safe.

Something else to keep in mind is that if you're in Hawaii like your name suggests (or if you're ever in a strong climate that has a lot of sun and makes you sweat your product off), you probably need to reapply during the day. If you find a formula you like and they don't have a travel size you can carry with you, buy travel containers at the drugstore and carry a small amount for reapplication during the day. Your future skin will thank you!

free skin care · Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:33 pm

Sofina Perfect UV SPF 50 or Sunkiller Skintone SPF 50 are both good under makeup... Sofina for oily skin and sunkiller for dry skin.

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:25 am

I'm currently loving Soltan Face Anti-Aging Sun Defence Cream 50+ from Boots, but my skin is dry.

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:44 am

violetanne wrote:

How so? I think to say they actually harm you and exacerbate damage is a bit of an exaggeration. Smile

It's far wiser to wear a chemical sunscreen than nothing at all.

Hi Violetanne, I totally agree that some protection is better than none, but here's my issue with chemical sunscreens: A lot of the medical studies done with some of the "lower-end" chemical sunscreens, i.e. the ones readily available in the US, indicated that they actually made melanoma worse in lab rats with prolonged exposure.

If you take a look at the EDS guidelines on different types of sunblock, they make clear that the chemicals in modern European chemical sunblocks are much safer than the initial round of chemical sunblocks, but these new chemicals are still only available through international distributors like EDS (thanks a lot, FDA! And for what it's worth, I'm a big fan of waiting a few years before a new chemical gets approved, to make sure it REALLY is safe, because I'm the paranoid sort with that stuff). Most American chemical sunblocks, like octyl methoxycinnamate, were shown to be pretty sketchy, plus a lot of people have allergic/sensitivity reactions to them (myself included!).

However, I also think that like with many lab tests, these results should probably be taken with a grain of salt (just like FDA approvals, haha) - one study I read bombarded white lab rats that had been shaved and coated in chemical sunblocks with UV rays for prolonged periods of time (like several days) and only then found exacerbated melanoma growth - obviously, this is a scenario that few humans would ever find themselves in. However, she IS in Hawaii! Wink

But at the end of the day I do agree that an imperfect sunblock is much better than none at all, I just wanted to clarify that the way you apply physical and chemical are different. Chemicals do need time to "soak in" and these screens benefit from being rubbed in well, whereas with physical sunblock, too much rubbing actually removes the protection you need. So whatever you wind up going with, make sure to apply correctly (and generously either way!).

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:12 pm

ginnielizz wrote:

violetanne wrote:

How so? I think to say they actually harm you and exacerbate damage is a bit of an exaggeration. Smile

It's far wiser to wear a chemical sunscreen than nothing at all.

Hi Violetanne, I totally agree that some protection is better than none, but here's my issue with chemical sunscreens: A lot of the medical studies done with some of the "lower-end" chemical sunscreens, i.e. the ones readily available in the US, indicated that they actually made melanoma worse in lab rats with prolonged exposure.

If you take a look at the EDS guidelines on different types of sunblock, they make clear that the chemicals in modern European chemical sunblocks are much safer than the initial round of chemical sunblocks, but these new chemicals are still only available through international distributors like EDS (thanks a lot, FDA! And for what it's worth, I'm a big fan of waiting a few years before a new chemical gets approved, to make sure it REALLY is safe, because I'm the paranoid sort with that stuff). Most American chemical sunblocks, like octyl methoxycinnamate, were shown to be pretty sketchy, plus a lot of people have allergic/sensitivity reactions to them (myself included!).

However, I also think that like with many lab tests, these results should probably be taken with a grain of salt (just like FDA approvals, haha) - one study I read bombarded white lab rats that had been shaved and coated in chemical sunblocks with UV rays for prolonged periods of time (like several days) and only then found exacerbated melanoma growth - obviously, this is a scenario that few humans would ever find themselves in. However, she IS in Hawaii! Wink

But at the end of the day I do agree that an imperfect sunblock is much better than none at all, I just wanted to clarify that the way you apply physical and chemical are different. Chemicals do need time to "soak in" and these screens benefit from being rubbed in well, whereas with physical sunblock, too much rubbing actually removes the protection you need. So whatever you wind up going with, make sure to apply correctly (and generously either way!).

Yes, personally, I don't think it's very wise to take this lightly:

Quote:

Some individuals can have mild to moderate allergic reactions to certain ingredients in sunscreen, particularly the chemical benzophenone, which is also known as phenyl ketone, diphenyl ketone, or benzoylbenzene. It is not clear how much of benzophenone is absorbed into the bloodstream, but trace amounts can be found in urinalysis after use.

Recently, there has been increased attention to the possibility of adverse health effects associated with the synthetic compounds in most sunscreens.[10] A study published in April 1992, entitled "Could sunscreens increase melanoma risk?" reported that the greatest increase in melanoma has occurred in those regions where sunscreen use is most prevalent.[11] Although one might believe that this effect is due to sunscreens being used more in regions where people are more exposed to UV light, this is not what is claimed by this study: Melanome incidence correlates strongly with the use of chemical sunscreens independently of the actual UV exposure.[12]

Recent studies found that some sunscreens generate harmful compounds that promote skin cancer. The three commonly used ultraviolet (UV) filters -- octylmethoxycinnamate, benzophenone 3 and octocrylene -- eventually soak into the deeper layers of the skin after their application, leaving the top skin layers vulnerable to sun damage. UV rays absorbed by the skin can generate harmful compounds called reactive oxygen species (ROS), which can cause skin cancer and premature aging. The researchers found that once the filters in sunscreen soak into the lower layers of skin, the filters react with UV light to create more damaging ROS.[3] To reduce ROS generation and damage, the researchers recommend reapplying the sunscreen often, which will replenish the sunscreen which has penetrated the skin. Future possibilities may include the development of sunscreens which stay at the surface of the skin, or mixing sunscreens with antioxidants that can neutralize ROS.[13]

from wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunscreen#Possible_adverse_effects

--avalange

ETA: Moral of the story: make sure you are using the right chemicals before you let them soak in to your skin!

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:05 pm

I'm in the UK, so you cannot buy any of the Sunkiller Sunscreens here. I've bought all of mine off of Ebay without any problems. There usually is at least one seller selling them so I stock up when I see them listed.

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