Matrixyl vs. Matrixyl 3000 / alternative to retinol & Vi
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free skin care · Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:38 pm

NOTCH wrote:

Finally....sister sweets, I wish I could say that you could get some Matrixyl and mix it into your own favorite cosmetics. But, I don't believe that Croda (Sederma) will sample or sell this ingredient to private individuals. The "quote" that you are referencing is aimed at cosmetic houses and cosmetic chemists, for them to incorporate into the formulas that they create.

Cellbone used to carry the pure Matrixyl, haven't checked in a year though.

Skinactives.com has this alternative for personal formulators;

http://www.skinactives.com/product/detail.aspx?prodID=76

ETA: You lost me John, You went from comparing Matrixyl to Retinol, and now switched to Vitamin C.... Confused

I really don't think they are comparable.. Retinol and Ascorbic Acid work at the cellular level, but Matrixyl can't do that... Crying or Very sad

free skin care · Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:18 am

NOTCH - recently you have mentioned that Matrixyl will only be available to P&G. Do you know if that applies to Matrixyl 3000 also?

free skin care · Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:09 pm

Star Model wrote:

I am sure this has been discussed before, so forgive me for those who already know this. Angel

But since it is being used interchangeably, I thought I would clarify.

Retinoids and Retinol are not one in the same. While they are both derivatives of Vit A, only retinoids (like Retin-A) are proven wrinkle reducers. Retinol which is also a derivative of Vit A is much weaker and does more for the skin in the way of moisturization.

Just to clarify Star Model's clarification Wink

:

Actually, retinoids are a class of compounds related to Vitamin A. Retinol is one form of retinoid. Other forms include retinal (aka retinaldehyde, used in many of Avene's formulations), trentinoin (aka retinoic acid, brand names Retin-A, Renova, etc), tazarotene and many others:

Quote:

There are three generations of Retinoids:

* First generation retinoids: which include retinol, retinal, tretinoin (retinoic acid, Retin-A), isotretinoin and alitretinoin.

* Second generation retinoids: which include etretinate and its metabolite acitretin.

* Third generation retinoids: which include tazarotene , bexarotene and Adapalene.

(from wiki)

free skin care · Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:09 pm

I don't know if this is splitting hairs... but something that is "pure" is unmixed with another substance.

I think 100% suggests purity. And in the case of retin-a 100% would probably melt your face off.... just guessing there.

Do you mean concentration? And for a product to offer a certain benefit, it would have to be at xyz concentration? Which I doubt would be argued much at all.

Regardless... glad to have popped into this thread. I was looking for this exact info about year ago. This would have been helpful.

Now, have there been more studies to prove the effectiveness of Matrixyl? It is one of those products that is difficult to tell if it's doing anything. I generally like the products that contain said ingredient... They just feel nice... etc. But, without obvious things like peeling and such, it's hard to gauge... especially from a prevention mode.

free skin care · Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:18 pm

Hey John... thanks for responding.. Yes, I read page one... but that was 12/2008... just wondering if there was anything newer and exciting...

Page one was quite informative...

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