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Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:42 am |
Why would an ordinary person's blog have links "To Order" from CM's site? Lots of gushing reviews and heavy peddling of product sounds like spam to me. Sorry if it offends, but you see this all over the internet. It actually cheapens the product's reputation, rather than promoting it.
Surely you'd let the photos speak for themselves and let the reader decide if they want to investigate further? |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:21 pm |
sister sweets wrote: |
I have done FE for over a year and read their forum quite a bit in the beginning and I never once got the idea that over time you were to develop your own routine. On the contrary my impression was that they were quite emphatic about trying to do all 40 exercises (which I did in the beginning - except for the TMJ-related ones). I eventually (with guidance from a few in the know) put together my own routine but still do about 32 of the original 40 regularly plus adding in some exercises from other routines that i felt did a better job - for me anyway.
I'd love to know what others impressions are of of this. Even Sean told me he does all 40. |
Hey Sister Sweets!
Thanks for bringing this issue up! I think it is a really important issue. When I first joined the FlexEffect forum (1.5 years ago), I got the same impression: that newbies were told they should do all 40 exercises every day (or 5 days a week). I think that the recent message of "do all 40" has softened over the past year, with the recognition that many people (including me ) weren't willing to do that every day. The advice now seems to be to start with the 14-exercise sample routine on the FlexEffect DVD, unless you have the motivation to do all 40. However, there are two caveats: (1) to be fair, the trainers have always said that if you experience overbuild, to back off an exercise--which I consider to be equivalent to the idea that some tailoring is important, and (2) posts on the FlexEffect forum from several years back emphasize much more tailoring. I suspect that the message in recent years veered towards the recommendation of doing very little tailoring because so many people were over-tailoring and spot training, which can get people into trouble fast--an understandable concern. But if you consider the net history of the forum posts over the past decade, it seems to me that tailoring is encouraged, even though more recently, tailoring has been more discouraged than encouraged. Perhaps I was being a little sloppy in my word choice (sorry!!) in saying that you *design* your own routine, but my point is that FlexEffect at least recognizes that one-size does not fit all (c.f., the majority of programs out there). Hope this clarifies what I meant! Please feel free to argue the opposite if you disagree--I'm curious what you think
ClaudiaFE wrote: |
No body builder would say that you have to do every exercise possible for a muscle every day... |
I totally agree!
ClaudiaFE wrote: |
though with the face you CAN, if you WANT. Because facial muscles don't endure the same amount of tear down, from FE, that a body muscle gets from graduated weight increase, they don't need same time of recovery. |
Hey Claudia!
I have to be honest and confess that I have never quite understood this particular point. For example, even when training the body, one can do body-weight type exercises with high variable resistance and build muscle, just like we do with facial exercises. So there doesn't seem to me to be any concrete difference between training body and facial muscles.
To give a concrete example, if I only do 1 set until failure (or almost failure) for say my biceps, I know I could train every day. But I wouldn't build as much muscle as if I did 3 sets til failure for my biceps, but exercised them every 2 or 3 days. Wouldn't the same thing apply to the face? And if the facial muscles don't tear down as much after 1 set of say 10 reps and I could do this every day, doesn't that mean that I should just do more sets (plus more subsequent rest) so they tear down more and hence build up even larger than if I were training them every day? This is just something I've always been confused about.
Thanks so much in advance for your help!! |
_________________ 34 y.o. FlexEffect and massage. Love experimenting with DIY and botanical skin care products. Appreciate both hard science and natural approaches. Eat green smoothies + lots of raw fruit and veggies. |
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Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:40 am |
txgirl wrote: |
Hi Aprile!
That's good to know because I've noticed my nose getting bigger and more crooked every year, if that's even possible! I'm pretty much sold on this, but my question is should I get the DVD or the book? Does the book contain pictures of any kind, or is it all by description? Also, how quickly did you notice a change in your jawline? I'm starting to look square and froggy-faced very quickly, and I need serious help |
Hi Txgirl,
The book definitely has lots of photos. It repends on whether you are good with learning from a book or whether you'd feel more comfortable viewing the exercises performed. I really relied on the book until I trained with Carole in person in NYC (the dvd was not yet available at the time.) BTW, she does offer skype for about $200. The nose exercise to fix the crooked nature is one she taught me to correct mine in a private session; it's not in the book or dvd. I will explain in another post. Which direction does your crook go? HTH, Aprile |
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Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:47 pm |
Anika Polka wrote: |
Thank you Aprile for your answer ! I'm sorry I reply very late, it's because the forum stopped sending me notification emails for some reason Yes I was asking the question because she says to pull the upper lip down to flex the nose, but I can flex it without doing that, so I wondered if I was doing it wrong ! |
Anika ~ If you are able to flex your nose without pulling your upper lip down, that's awesome! That means that you're really in touch with your facial muscles and how to control them aready and that's a good thing! All the best, April |
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Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:54 am |
I figured its worth sharing this info from Carole's newsletter about her new dvd (note I'm not affiliated in any way with Carole, so am not selling this program, simply offering information from her newsletter to help people decide if this program is right for them). I like how she is including posture and other advice, as my experience is that many people who do facial exercise concentrate so much on the exercises, that they sometimes do it hunching over etc, and so its great she is encouraging people to be more aware. All information in bold is from the newsletter:
The ULTIMATE Facercise DVD was recently released and already clients are sending me rave reviews! I’ve been working on the ULTIMATE Facercise DVD for the past two years after myriad clients expressed interest in really pumping up their results and shortening their Facercise routines. I didn’t include the resistance movements or visualization techniques in the Beginning or Advanced DVDs; my clients just weren’t ready yet. In this new DVD, I use models to better explain the intricacies of the program, showing you how to really isolate the muscles used, as well as body positioning for resistance. The instruction is more detailed, so you will feel like you are in a private class with me.
Now, with ULTIMATE Facercise, you’ll be able to create even bigger and better results. As an added bonus, I devised an 8-minute SUPER SET for those super busy days. I added the SUPER SET specifically because of clients who have called or emailed me to say they just don’t have the time to fit the exercises in daily. The ULTIMATE Facercise DVD Kit comes with one instructional DVD and two audio CDs. One of the CDs has all 13 exercises with complete detail. The second CD has the Super Set for those days when you want a shortened version. The kit also comes with instructional travel cards for when you can’t use a personal DVD or CD player. If you are currently only using my book to learn Facercise, you won’t be able to achieve the best results possible. The reason for this is simple, you cannot see the muscles move or hear the correct tempo and timing of the exercises. There are also body posturing movements that are essential to your success with the ULTIMATE Facercise Program. The price for the kit is $49.95 plus shipping and handling. So ring in the New Year with the ULTIMATE Facercise!
Carole also gives details of her own routine in the newsletter (which are worth signing up for by the way):
People always compliment me on how great my skin looks and ask about my personal beauty regimen. To start off the New Year on the right foot, I thought I’d share my daily beauty routine with you. The first thing I do in the morning is exfoliate my entire body. Using the Horsehair Mitt, I performs 60 back and forth scrubs per area. Even though my No Lipo Lipo DVD states 30 per area, I’ve found that more is actually better. As a result, my skin (at 64) is toned, tightened and lifted.
I also use the Sisal Louffa Strap to address the back of my body. Using a back and forth motion, I start at my ankles and work my way up to my neck. Next, I exfoliate my face using the Bamboo Glove ~ using 30 circular motions around my entire face and neck. My face is now exfoliated, glowing and ready to receive the skincare products. First, I spray my face, neck and the tops of my hands with the Heavy Water Spritz, then apply a thin layer of Vitamin E Oil to all three areas. I then apply the EGF Serum (on alternate days I apply the Vitamin C Serum), then the EGF Repair Cream (on alternate days I use theUltra Hyraluronic Moisture Cream orthe Advanced Anti-Aging Cream). Next, I squeeze a pea size amount of sunscreen into the palm of my hand and combined with a spritz of the Heavy Water and apply to my face, neck and tops of my hands. I give all areas a final spritz of Heavy Water before leaving the house. All of these products have maximum antioxidant benefits and truly feed the skin and protect it from future free radical damage.
Three times a week I use the Anti-Aging Moisture Mask, leaving it on my skin for a full 10 minutes. Every 10 days, I use the Face Lift To Go Mask. This mask exfoliates, tones, tightens, and lifts the skin of the face, neck and even the tops of your hands. I then perform one set of the ULTIMATE Facercise exercises. I personally use one of the CDs in order to really push myself. The morning is when I consume most of my carbohydrates. The reason for this is simple, excess carbohydrates can cause inflammation and wrinkles. According to Dr. Nicholas Perricone, “Cut out sugar and carbs on Monday, and by Thursday, you’ll look younger.” Also, never consume carbs after 5 pm if you want to keep cellulite at bay and keep your skin looking its personal best.
In the evening, I cleanse my skin with the Creamy Milk Cleanser and pat it dry. I exfoliate again using the Beauty Face Mitt, performing 30 circular motions around my entire face and neck. I allow my skin to dry for 30 minutes before applying the Retinol Cream to my entire face, neck and the tops of my hands. I then complete another set of the ULTIMATE Facercise exercises. Next, I perform my No Lipo Lipo Knuckle Massage Technique using 60-80 back and forth scrubs per area. In the DVD it states to use 30 scrubs per area, but like I said, I’ve found more is actually better. As a result, my skin is cellulite free, toned, tightened, lifted and unlined. There are other things I could talk about, but there’s just not enough space in the newsletter. |
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Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:14 am |
It's exciting that so many new people are joining the forum just to tout the benefits of Carole's program. Welcome, and thank you for letting us know about your success! |
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Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:57 am |
Hi Sis,
Before I got the new dvd, I was only doing the exercises once a day. Now that I have learned the routine and know the proper form, etc., I've been using the super set twice a day. It's made a huge difference for me in about a month's time. I am on the thin side and have always had a thin face. My lower face was looking rather gaunt look. I think the new face filler exercise is really working so much better for me than the previous version. I also think my face is just more toned and lifted overall. I do think you need to get the burn in order to get results. You may not feel that you are getting a burn on the lip exercise. It may feel more like a thickening of the upper lip. But that is okay, as you will still results. The one thing I would say about this program is that you will get very good results very quickly. Your face will look very balanced and feminine. I would not however, recommend using another program along with it because you don't want to overbuild your face and have it end up looking too masculine. I have seen photos of women who looked too masculine to me just using one program. They PM'd me wanting to switch to Facercise. Not doing any name calling here. I think if there is one or two exercises you are in love with that might be fine, but again overbuild is not feminine or pretty and you could also strip the muscles by overdoing it. Take good care, Aprile |
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Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:40 pm |
Marber - I sent you a pm.
For Hermosa - I just started CM's routine about 6 weeks ago and it is amazing. I was so happy and neurotic with Flex Effect and skeptical about changing but the 8 minute superset of CM working out well with less time - great results. I still put in a few of my favorite FE's that aren't addressed by CM's (plus I love the FE jolting and bone massage piece) but overall I have no complaints about Cm. It was worth the cash outlay.
It is likely I will incorporate FE again - changing things up at some point but I'm really seeing nice quick results with CM. |
_________________ Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:08 am |
LOL well I'd like to share my experience if that helps Hermosa and the others. Its different than Sis's though so its worth sharing.
I have Ultimate Facercise and new FlexEffect, and for me the hands down winner in my opinion is FlexEffect. I've tried Facercise several times and just can't get my head round the exercises.... not matter how much I visualise. Also she never says really what muscles your working on, in the dvd they just highlight sections of the face. Yes Carole does answer emails, sometimes with one sentence, which I have not found helpful I have to say. I never get the famous "Burn" in all the exercises, and in speaking with people privately, I've found I'm not the only one. I get it in the lip one, but I used to get it in the original lip exercise (and the new one is only shorter than the one on the advanced facercise dvd for info).
The new FlexEffect is my love at the moment. I've done facial exercises for a few years now (since early 50's), and everything from Eva Fraser, to Facial Magic (which I thought at the time was the best) and then about 2 years ago I found FlexEffect. The 2nd edition I tried for ages, and never felt comfortable with my interpetation of the instructions, nor the fact that the dvd didn't demo it all. Well the third edition has sorted me out on that one. The dvd demos everything (which in my mind is alone worth the dosh), but also the advanced techniques like bone stuff and skin cross stretching is there. Albeit I didn't pay close attention to the instructions and dived straight in, but have to say my face felt fantastic the first day. NL's are something that I thought I would live with forever, as my mother, grand mother and great grandmother always had them, and its never been a biggie for me as I figured I'd always have them too thanks to genetics, but got to say the first thing that my dh noticed was that they were starting to lessen within a week or two of starting, and I'm happy to say that they are so faint now that I often catch myself checking the mirror looking for them. I did try another form of bone exercises before (that was given to me by someone on here and I've written about in the past and had disasterous results from (but have to hold my hands up as I was responsible for not checking that I was getting the official instructions for - this was merely the posters interpretion of the photos in a book in a different language than the person who was exchanging PM's with me spoke). So it was also wonderful to finally get instructions and details about bone in English and exercising it. Plus I think Deb and Audrea look fantastic. If I can get to look like half of Deb in the next few years I'll be one happy lady (but I'd be even happier if I can encourage my hands to look like Kassy's as they are fantastic).
ALso I think its great that she wrote about liagments as that was one question that the derms always used to argue why facial exercises couldn't work and Deb answers this in the book with a no-nonsense kind of fashion really explaining what they are and what can and cannot happen due to training them. No other author that I know of has ever answered that question in my mind.
I am not sure that Carole's stuff will work the bone or the skin. I also find it strange that she encourages people to use the mits aggressively but doesn't handle the face at all with massage or anything. I'm not sure either that I can see that it will work the muscles rather than just toning them for the reasons cm put in the facercise thread about resistance and the actual muscles having to work. It got quite technical and over my head but I suggest people read the facercise thread also for CM's messages (not CM is a poster here who is not Carole Maggio but has a great knowledge of the body and anatomy).
Just sharing my views, and while they are not for everyone (as I doubt anyones personal views are) think its interesting for contrast sometimes to get different opinions.
Theresa
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I have the opposite experience -- because the Ageless exercises are 20 reps, they seem to take forever. I haven't seen the videotape though.
I have earlier versions of Facercise and FE, and so far have not heard enough about the extra benefits of the new programs -- not just the format changes -- to want to invest in them. |
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Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:55 pm |
Hammy wrote: |
Hi Tracy
Hollows outer corner? well if you can imagine the undereye area being nice and full all the way from inner to outer corner - well thats what mine were like until November last year, now the under eye area appears sunken, looking at it from sideview there is a hollow dent; happened pretty rapidly too .
Yeah I have the ultimate DVD but was just sticking with the program from the book as Ive been familiar with those exercises for 10 yr. I was feeling pretty disheartened as many reviewers on Caroles said their undereye hollows have filled in a couple of weeks, like yourself but, I suspect they are referring to the tear trough area.
What I was finding though was as my cheek was plumping out under the outer corner of my eye, it made the hollows appear deeper. It was as if my face below my lower eyelid was responding but my eyelids weren't. I started to throw in flex effects (FE)lower eyelid exercise and I tried the FE undereye massage technique and OMG never again!
Are you just doing the ultimate exercises only Tracy?
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Hammy,
I too, struggle with the dark under eye circles as well as very deep hollows. They have improved so much since using this program. I had broken my nose in 1999 and since then have really struggled with sinus issues. I think this is the reason for the dark circles. Too much sleep, not enough sleep, sinuses and genetics play a big role on the appearance of the dark circles. You also need to make sure that you have a healthy balanced diet and are drinking plenty of water. I am learning this myself.
I am not completely happy with my appearance just yet. But my hope has been restored with this program. I am still using the beginners DVD and will buy the Ultimate as soon as I feel I have gotten the hang of the beginners.
I have really backed off of the program the last week because I am getting the kids ready for back to school. We also only have a few weeks left of summer fun. As soon as everything gets on track I will start to use the program as I am supposed to.
I still do some of the exercises throughout the day. I get some interesting looks to say the least. I will probably go ahead and order the ultimate dvd within the next week or two. I will let you know how that works out. I really need to get on the ball and do these exercises the right way so I can post some more pictures for everyone to see the progress. Stay optimistic. Keep using the program because even if you do not see results right away, in the long run you will be happier for it.
It's kind of like going to the gym. Some people will get immediate results, while it takes others longer. What I have experienced is amazing. Others have had even better experiences with the program than I have. But I wont give up because I know it's working. The proof is all over my face |
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Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:45 pm |
you explained it very well! |
_________________ I'm Cathy, 54 yrs old. Flexeffect Certified Trainer in the 2004 vrsn - not the newer one. using flexeffect sincee 1999. |
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Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:12 pm |
TheresaMary wrote: |
I think it’s a bit off to write everyone off just because you don’t know anyone in their 60’s who does have good looking necks. I mean there are so many people out there, that its really sad to suggest to people that they can’t do anything about their necks. To me, Eva Fraser whilst she is in her 80’s does look good and for the same reasons as Carole Maggio should – she’s looked after herself. Look at her on “This morning”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcyRLKq3aZg
Julie Andrews is someone that springs to mind with a beautiful neck (and is 76). So like most things it is definitely possible and with Carole being the expert that she is and having access to all the skincare stuff that she does, it’s almost like her face on the close ups didn’t match that. |
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This is the first time I saw this video!!! Eva looks off the chart amazing!!! and I have to say I would kill to have hands that look that young!!. Mine look like hell.. a lot is do to being a pro bodybuilder years back (enlarges the veins on the back of your hands ugh ) not to mention just getting older... oh well. thanks for posting the video
Eva 80+ years....EVERYBODY...TRAIN ON |
_________________ Founder of FlexEffect Facialbuilding. My Photo Journal: FlexEffect.com/deb-photos |
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Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:14 am |
Hi
I think there always has to be tweaks to any program out there no matter what anyone says as we’re all wanting different things, and its not to say there’s anything wrong with using just one program, hell if it worked for me I’d do anyone in its entirety, but what I noticed is that I lean towards some particular exercises from one system which give better results in a particular area and I can feel working, and combine those with similar exercises from other systems to make my own kind of workout and I think I was very lucky in that when I began there were only a handful of programs, but nowadays there are so many even I would be lost. However I do really like to lean people towards programs where they have support and people who will answer questions and give advice as that to me is soo important and helpful. In my situation I did a few programs and even had live one on one classes with a fantastic teacher, but after a while the exercises stopped working. No idea why but that’s just what happened. However, I do enjoy working my facial muscles out and its addictive for sure!
Its interesting that you mention the negative contraction thing, as I never realised about positive/negative contractions till the flexeffects program mentioned it, and it was a aha moment for me, and now I’m seeing how they’re starting to crop up all over the place which is excellent.
Sanford Bennett’s stuff though to me when I read wasn’t exercises, but more like a very frictious massage (which I love). And his photos are proof that they do work. However with the body exercises I always have been a visual learner and find them difficult to understand. I wish someone would create a video demoing all his stuff because it would be so useful!
About heredity, even though it may mean "I inherited something from my ancestors" even nowadays with studies of epigenics we’re realising that a lot of what we thought came from our ancestors don’t but are from our environments. There’s even thoughts that what we thought of as genetics is completely incorrect now.
Don’t worry re your English – you speak it very well and we all can understand you and its great to have you here sharing! |
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