The New Edition of FlexEffect is Here!
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free skin care · Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:50 am

Just saw the new edition of FlexEffect is out for preoreders. http://www.flexeffect.com/

free skin care · Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:03 pm

There appears to be info here:

http://www.flexeffect.com/product.htm

Included in the new progam is...

FlexEffect Website wrote:

BOOK w/ DVD

The book consists of the following:

* 55 FE™Resistance Training Exercises: Strictly Facialbuilding with emphasis on eccentric negatives for extra build where needed.
* Advanced Neck Training Exercises: Combination Bodybuilding / Facialbuilding. Very aggressive and very productive.
* Jolting® and Pressure Reps®: Bone remodeling for replacing and increasing bone density
Cross Stretching®: Skin remodeling for connective tissue repair. Increases collagen, elastin and reduces scar tissue.
* FE™ Pressure Massage: Tones skin and is a prerequisite for bone remodeling
* FE™ Facial Massage: Revs up all facial cellular functions i.e. muscle, bone, vascular and lymphatic responses. Also restores skin tone and resiliency.
* 15 Isotonic Exercises: For maintenance and additional skin and muscle toning.
* Target Training: A guide for extra concentration needed in problem areas.
* Skin Regeneration: Covers today's top skin remolding agents.
* Training Variations: To accommodate personal training needs
* Training Schedule: To help you get the most out of your workout withen your timeframe.
Complete Facial Muscle Guide: Description, function and illustrations.
* Questions & Answers: Gets directly to the point without ridiculous hype.
* And, so much more: By far the most comprehensive Facialbuilding book ever written...275 pages.

Personally, I'm especially curious about the following:

* Jolting
* Pressure reps (??? what is bone remodeling, any relationship to bone massage ??)
* Cross-stretching (is this mild stretching of the skin to promote collagen and elastin growth, like we were talking/arguing about on this forum a few months ago?)
* the two types of massages (will either of these be lymphatic in nature, similar to the Tanaka ones?)
* whether this version will better emphasize the need for some tailoring and balancing muscle build
* any new modifications regarding training frequency and schedule, particularly as it relates to whether people are going for maximum build vs when people are in maintenance

Regarding how Deb looks, here are a couple more new photos of Deb here:
http://www.flexeffect.com/debpic.htm, but it still is hard to see her face. But for those who are curious, I'm sure people, myself included, will report back both on how Deb looks on the new FlexEffect DVD and on the extra material in FE Smile

free skin care · Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:02 pm

Well lots of good questions. But to answer one of the questions above, the book that everyone has has 40 exercises. The new book contains 55 resistance ones. Whilst the current book exercises are effective, Deb has found ways of kicking them up a notch.

With the cross-stretching - I have to laugh, CM when have you known us to be mild about anything. Its not something that many beginners to facial building will be confident about doing, and it can be a little painful at first.

With bone remodelling, its answered in the book. Its very different though to the Tanaka massage, and I've not seen anything like it in English as yet.

Any massage can have lymphatic benefits.

I think the new book is by far a lot more information than in the current book everyone has, and Deb has developed it so people can really hone in on problem areas and still get a great workout.

The CD though is what I think most people will like as it lets you select the length of your workout from either a 12 minute one or a 20 minute routine. Timing is something everyone complained about with the current book (and Deb listened) and so has shortened it down for people, and 12 or 20 minutes I think is achievable for most people.

The dvd is what I'm most excited about (I haven't seen it yet). It demos of 49 Resistance Training Exercises plus 3 new training disciplines: Jolting® , Pressure Reps® (bone remodeling) and Cross Stretching® demonstrated by Deb and Audrea Crowley showing the proper way to use your hands with FlexEffect's trademarked technique.

free skin care · Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:55 pm

Kassy... You know I want you to have it!!! I just want you to talk with me or one of my awesome trainers BEFORE you start the aggressive stuff... Don't go and bench press 300 lbs. and pin your pretty little neck 'cause your not ready for it...

Take Care!

Oh, and I'll pass on the comments to Deb re: the Earthquake... She'll appreciate it!

free skin care · Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:43 pm

I think this is the perfect thread for both Claudia and Sean to be able to answer questions regarding "Flex Effect 2010"... This is after all a "Flex Effect" thread.

There is nothing *promotional* in answering questions, that members of the forum need/want to know in order to decide if the product is for them...

Lets face it, there are many FE users on this forum, and just like all the other programs, flexers should be able to share their experiences and opinions also.

With that said, I would also hope that we are all smart enough to see through the *ulterior motive bashers*, and ignore them like the 'trolls' they are...

free skin care · Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:55 pm

SeanySeanUK wrote:

Although I have a form of association, I don't sell the product. Was only suggesting a place you could get an answer to your question - sorry going off to hide! Cool

Sean, please don't answer every question by sending people to the FE forum... Crying or Very sad

You are always very forthcoming in every thread, and give lengthy, in depth answers to everything *but* Flex Effect... I realize some motivation to protect the new material for now, but people here have a right to ask questions, and also share their experiences and thoughts.

I hope we won't all have to be walking on eggshells, and not be able to speak freely... Shhh

free skin care · Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:58 pm

I would say that every person comes from some sort of starting point. Wouldn't you?

So, You may not think these people look good for their age... But what is your reference point? Other people their age? Or their own experience and improvements. Which you really can't even begin to judge.

That's really more the point. If a person is looking for years and years of damage to be wiped away then I think a person will have to get less conservative with their approach than exercise.

So, the first video you refer to is Tori... Now, you may not like her before and after pictures... However, she looks younger at HER REAL 54 years old than she did at HER REAL 46. Does she look better than other 54 year olds... some yes, others no. It's all relative.

I would liken this in some cases to a person that is extremely obese and has been for some time. They can lose tons of weight, and look pretty good in clothes. Their organs will function better, and their life expectancy likely to increase... But you know what? I bet very few of them look HOT in a bikini or swim trunks. Sports Illustrated is not calling. Not without the intervention of a knife. Does that discount all the hard work they've done? Nope... Does it mean it's too bad they became obese in the first place... Yep! Does it mean they should have just headed straight for the knife? HECK NO! They could have died on the table.

There are so many options out there to assist in your desire to look/stay young... it's really a matter of what you can afford, and how invasive you want to get... and what you're willing to risk...

The 2nd clip you refer to has to do with professional opinion of a board dermatologist and a PT... This is most relevant for people that wonder what Derms who have actually looked at our program at least think, and also what some PT's might offer their patients say that have had a stroke or suffered from Bells Palsey.

I will never forget hearing from a mother who's daughter had been in some sort of accident and she had nerve damage. This girl's PT had NOTHING for her... gave her a few facial expression to try to make. That was it. Was our program able to bring back full facial movement... No. Did it offer this young girl a chance at some sort of normalicy? According to her mom: Yes.

Would you be impressed with her appearance... Probably not... especially if you don't have a full background story.

I always cringe a little when people go on about how they are not impressed with someone. When that someone is thrilled with their own results. Normal people that are happy with themselves, and take a risk to tell others about it... and others basically insinuate they have nothing to be happy about...granted I often feel the same way when I look at body types for varieties of workouts. So I do understand.

free skin care · Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:02 am

The book 55 exercises... DVD 49 + new diciplines

free skin care · Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:33 pm

In the midst of the angst, I'm doing my happy dance ... Dancing

... (I'll leave the "boogie dancers" for Toby's pleasure... Wink

)

My program came today, and I'll be reading and viewing the DVD the rest of the day. (So excited!)

1st glance thoughts; Everything and anything related to the skin and it's rejuvination is covered in this book, and to me, seems like MUCH more information than the previous program.

There is also a seperate "Training Log" (thick, sturdy + spiraled) which I love, love, love, with a place for progress pictures, and for tracking your progress every step of the way...

Also included is the "Resistance Training" DVD and the "Personal Trainer" audio CD.

I'm off to read, but with the little I saw, I feel confident in saying that I got my $90. worth and then some, some, + some more! (And that's coming from a lazy girl who doesn't like exercise in any form, and already owns every facial exercise program out there.)

free skin care · Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:15 am

TheresaMary wrote:

I find it frustrating at times, as there is no message in the threads from the mods to say such an action has been carried out.

Agree. There are two other forums where I post -- one for local news, one for soccer -- when the mods feel the need to edit or excise part/all of a post, they leave a brief note of explanation. That way, people can figure out where the boundaries lie.

By simply making posts disappear, the mods miss a valuable teaching opportunity. Just deleting a post may seem quicker at the time, but long-term the mods have more work because posters aren't learning from the mistakes of others, and face it, who remembers the rules?

free skin care · Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:34 pm

I posted this on the before and after pictures thread but it also needs to go here. Wink

Hm...pictures before and after....
Well when I started investigating facial exercises in 2007 I came here and asked questions...there wasn't alot of response at that time. I ventured to several places but ended up at Flexeffect because of some photos that impressed me. They were photos of this one. Her pictures were posted on the website and she spent a great deal of time posting pictures in the workshop forum that is only for users of the Flexeffect program. There is a general forum that Flexeffect has that she posted her pictures in as well. She wasn't using any skincare devices and very limited use of creams, the results came from flexeffect exercising. With her permission I am posting them here.

free skin care · Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:51 pm

Kassy... and all...

Make sure you take time/days off between jolting and cross stretching... the idea for these in particular is that you allow "healing" time! Re-read to make more clear!!!

LOL... Yeah... Deb and Audrea aren't actor/actresses... every now and then you catch an expression of "wasn't that pretty???" NOT! LOL!

Keep us posted... TAKE NOTES!!!!!! Just fill in your log... it will tell your story in the end... also will help us answer your questions in the future... and if something seems WONKY ASK AWAY! Don't assume that wonky is a "phase" to go through... it might be.. but it might NOT be...

Best...

free skin care · Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:26 pm

Oh Kassy it thrills me that you are having a good experience with the new edition of the flexeffect program. You were honest several years ago with your frustration of there not being a dvd with all the exercises on it. You were vocal about the need for visual learners (I happen to be one too!)....you probably spoke for a lot of people. Apparently your voice was heard and Deb went to work creating. It took time but the result is well worth it.Your review speaks volumes because it had to be good to win you over! Very Happy

I bet your face is gonna LOVE you for it and you are going to reap the benefits...One hot diva with your light and now flexing....go girl go Dancing

Oh heck I am just going to boogie dance for you and everyone else that is enjoying this new edition!

free skin care · Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:15 am

Mine came this morning, and I did the exercises along with Audrea, and it was so much fun. I love her to bits and her faces and expressions are really entertaining, but its so reassuring to be able to see the exercises in their entirety. I was doing some of the older ones completely wrong (what a numpty I am). I did watch Deb with the Pressure Reps, Jolting and Cross Stretching - but didn't see any massage, but love the idea that the Cross Stretching will effect the skin and the book was way scientific about it which I love. Not that I understand it all mind you, but its great to have that knowledge and I think her stuff with the Pressure Reps on the bone to me is way more detailed and looks to really work on the bone more than when I was doing Tanaka (even with the English translation). I'm going to order me some of that supplement she suggests for bone, love the idea of it strengthening my nails too. Audrea and Deb both have pretty nails and I'm wondering if its because they use their fingers in the exercises.

I thought her hair looked great though! I love it as well when she joked about getting a saying right!

I'm giving it a massive 10/10 for sure. Its great!

Lucy

free skin care · Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:33 pm

Hi Katie... I wonder why you would assume that I'm trying to make cheap shots at PT's? Probably my blunt answers when I'm trying to assist here quickly... and you don't know me well enough to get the way I "talk". Much like the PT, that studies various types of massage not taught in their programs, or myofacial release (MY FAVE)... Something like FlexEffect is often a welcomed form of extended ed by many PT's (at least that's what they tell us!)

We interviewed the PT... because SHE came to us with amazement as to what we offered base on what she had offered her own patients. We've actually heard this from many PT's. Many feel that their education, although qualifies them to practice legally, and often be covered by insurance, limits what they have to offer their clients. This is not to say they don't help people, or can't for that matter... But many have told us they are grateful to have an extra tool to assist their clients.

Also, when she was interviewed... which was almost 8 years ago, but new to youtube, people were scared to death of touching their face. Many here too! They wanted medical opinions. A PT has more clout than say, a beautician who's already in love with us....

As a person who has visited with many PT's in my lifetime, I've always been most impressed and best served by those that went out of mainstream. They are the ones that have a HUGE bag of tricks to treat their patients, and the ones I find who actually successfully resolve problems their clients are having.

Ex: When I broke my leg in the ankle joint, I needed extensive therapy to get back into toe shoes. (which even at that time was no longer a career option, but a hobby). The therapist I met with told me immediately based on her evaluation of the one foot that she felt we were really lucky with little work to do. That my range of motion was almost measuring at "normal"... It wasn't until my suggestion that perhaps she compare the range of motion of the recently broken side, to my other side... that her jaw hit the floor, she let out a huge demoralizing sigh that we had a TON of work to do... and that she didn't know where to start. She finally released me from therapy with little accomplished (treadmill, and bike, toe raises...), suggesting that perhaps I just go take some dance classes that she didn't know what else to do with me. End results: She based her success with my situation on some "average" that I don't physically experience, she was out of resources the second she started with me. And I hear this a lot. Now, I know she would have done more with me had she had the tools. She was an amazing caring person... Caring enough to admit she was out of options, and couldn't see taking the $$ for pretending that she was accomplishing anything with me. In the end, her bag of tricks would have done ME better if she had a better understanding of a dancer's need for their body, and what it must accomplish... and what we do to get there. And to digress further, I also now totally understand why so many women can't wear high heels. If my range of motion at that time represents "normal" MY GOD... I totally get thinking a high heeled shoe is a torture devise. For me they are often comfy. How weird!!!! My Flexability? considered way better than average. I wonder how a person can walk if they are as tight (or tighter)as I feel.

So, to get back on point, this is actually something we hear often from stroke victims as well as those with bells palsey... Their PT's helped them very little... and not for lack of trying.

Facial Exercises although quite beneficial as it turns out for some medical purposes (keep in mind we originally promote ourselves within the beauty industry, not even thinking about all the arenas we could function in) are not taught even in a PT environment. And most certainly not with the number of exercises that we have plus all the others out there.

Most recently, I went for PT for upper back pain after repetitive lifting of my twins. They also offered very little in the way of pain relief, and were very quick to turn me over to a "trainer" to show me how to do sit-ups and various exercises... in this case teaching exercises was completely inappropriate. I had a sever over use injury. Again, a total waste of time. They wouldn't even listen to my background knowledge. They just collected my co-pay and eewed and ahhed at how I knew how to do a proper sit up. They acted as though it takes others many sessions to learn how to do a sit up properly. In the end, some situations aren't served well with a cookie cutter approach.

That all said, my PT actually studies ballet, knows what I mean when I say I'm tight, but yes, I can touch my toes... and he's capable of manipulation that releases pain immediately and OMG..permanently... LOVE HIM!

I had not thought about a speech therapist evaluating our program... and if It might have any merit within their arena. But now that I have my little guys in speech therapy (damn their twin speak) that makes a lot of sense. I know a handful of them too. I'll have to check into that. Thanks...

Regarding the price. It's NOT your imagination. We had the lower price up as an introductory offer. The offer was supposed to close as of March 1, 2010. This was done because we knew we would have many 1st and 2nd edition customers that would appreciate the break, and we appreciate them. We also decided it would be nice and easier to manage by offering it to newbies as well. We rec'd many requests at the last minute if we could hold out for the next payday etc... and figured what the heck. So, we postponed the price increase. Sorry you weren't able to jump in on that.

I am VERY S-L-O-W-L-Y working on our facebook pages. If you're interested watch for contests where one can win a 2nd edition DVD for trysies!

Again, everyone, feel free to ask me directly about anything I'm talking about. I probably know better as to what I mean (even if I blew it in my communication style) than another interpretation of what I mean. Happy to try and address your concerns and questions.

Whew... that was a long one... catch you all later!

free skin care · Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:52 pm

I find that starting multiple things at one time can be distressing to the skin. And although not detrimental (Deb and I have both used Obagi while flexing. Granted we both are retin-a users and actually both experienced very little "reaction to the product..." I don't think either of us stuck with it for more than 4 weeks.), can feel VERY overwhelming to deal with. Especially if you get the extreme peelies with the system. Further, rather than ask people that deal perhaps for the most part with just that system, I would inquire more specifically of people that have done both at the same time.

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:55 am

I have to say I am extremely impressed with FlexEffect the new edition. The book is very comprehensive, with plenty of further work to come to once you have the daily exercises under your belt. This coupled with the DVD, CD & log book, all are geared to keep you on track, & jiggling things up so you, & your muscles don't get bored or complacent.

Additionally the forum & support is outstanding. No other facial exercise programme offers anything like this level of support. Here, too, on EDS Claudia is so helpful.

Although I am new to FlexEffect, I have done facial exercises on an off for over 12 years, so my knowledge of the muscle groups for working, came back pretty quickly, today is day 4 & at 5 reps, I am getting quicker at the 30 exercises.

Two need me to work on them, I know from the feel that I am not getting them quite right nor activating the correct muscle, but the knowledge that I can go onto the forum for extra help is reassuring. Today I am aware that my cheek & forehead muscles are sore & well used, this is a great feeling Smile

I know I am on the right track.

So anyone dithering on the fence about buying, my advice - there is no other such comprehensive facial exercise system out there, believe me I have them all.

Hey! it was nice to see Kassy, Toby & some of the other names from EDS on the FlexEffect forum too, home from home Laughing

free skin care · Sun May 16, 2010 4:46 pm

Okay Flexeffect Flexers.....here we go....and it makes us beautiful!!!! Lala, a friend of mine from Flexeffect, had this on her Facebook and I couldn't resist!!!

Trust me it really does make us beautiful!! Very Happy

free skin care · Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:15 pm

Thanks Margarett... It must be this dang head cold... I wasn't following, and got too emotional. Embarassed

I'm glad you didn't think I was trying to ridicule... I may not agree with certain theories, but I know people put a lot of effort into their work. I'm willing, when asked, why I don't care for a certain idea. But that's not to bash someone. Just to explain where I'm coming from.

Yeah, people should at least give the story where they are coming from and how they got there but they rarely do. Deb tells at the beginning of her book about meeting a woman that did some form of facial exercise. Although I have NO evidence, I wouldn't be surprised if THAT woman was doing SMR. (who btw... was so pretty, I wish we could see more photos of her, and in her later years. I wonder what her daughter, who now owns her books, and has done the last several publications looks like??) It is more common with the more recent programs to hear that a person spent 1000's researching all the books, and they've put together their own routine... like a great big cut and paste project.

We've been out and out plagiarized (not even reworded) so many times it's mind boggling. And although we could fight that sort of thing up one side and down the other... the scariest part it often our materials are presented in a very scary fashion. That's my only concern.

But back on topic... with regard to hands in the mouth... We have (I just counted) some 20 exercises that utilize your hands in your mouth. Some are variation of exercises you can do hands outside the mouth. (some people get really grossed out with hands in mouth... I'm just about CLEAN hands in mouth!)... And really, once a person gets the hang of their face and response, I really feel that you should work your program to your individual needs.

Again, with regards to lala... the idea to take away from her amazing results, IMO, is diet, lifestyle, dedication, and have an inquiring mind. If you need help, ask for it... get your pictures evaluated. Exchange ideas until you resonate, and FEEL the difference. That's what Lala did. (granted with our program...) But she's really owned her journey so to speak... you know???

free skin care · Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:57 pm

mpstat wrote:

I was on a hunt for The Wrinkle Book, Or, How to Keep Looking Young by Elinor Glyn for a while and eventually after I had been patiently searching for it for many months I was able to buy it. This is an excellent book published in 1920s ....

As I mentioned on the previous page of this thread I got this book after searching for it for a while. I got it through Alibris books online, and paid a hefty price of a little less then $100 which is fine with me since it is a rare book. One of the reasons I got it because Loulou mentioned it in her book in reference to dry brushing. The Wrinkle Book describes some of dry brushing, but it has more then that... it is a little gem on facial exercises. The Wrinkle book done it all right with muscle diagrams, exercises targeting specific muscles. Elinor was a smart and beautiful woman....

After I shared my find with sigma, she found another book that is basically a reprint of The Wrinkle Book, by another lady named Barbara Cartland. I also bought this book LOL. Barbara's book titled Keep Young and Beautiful. Barbara added Elinor's name to the list of authors, but really Elinor had no idea about Barbara's book because she published it when Elinor was no longer around. However the reprint can not be even compared to the original Wrinkle Book because it is missing most of the useful diagrams, and on top of it for some reason the parts of the text were modified to remove references to specific muscles plus some other simplifications took away from the topic. I would not recommend the reprint as a substitute for The Wrinkle Book.

free skin care · Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:54 am

I have Flexeffect 3 and it's quite useful, one aspect that I am not too thrilled about is the skin stretching. Musculature below, no worries there.

This:

Dermal fibroblasts respond to mechanical conditioning in a strain profile dependent manner
Abstract

Fibroblasts within tissues are exposed to a dynamic mechanical environment, which influences the structural integrity of both healthy and healing soft tissues. Various systems have been proposed to subject such cells to mechanical stimulation in culture. However the diverse nature of the studies, in terms of the strain profiles and the cell types, makes direct comparisons almost impossible. The present study addresses this issue by examining the metabolic response of two cell types subjected to three well defined strain profiles.

A young fibroblast cell population, represented by HuFFs, showed both greater cell proliferation and collagen production than adult dermal fibroblasts under unstrained conditions. The three strain profiles produced differing effects on both cell types. Uniaxial strains enhanced [3H]-thymidine incorporation for both cell types, whilst biaxial strains either inhibited or had no effect on its incorporation. In contrast, [3H]-proline incorporation was inhibited under biaxial and uniaxial strains for the adult fibroblasts, whilst the HuFF cells showed a small increase in proline incorporation under non-uniform and uniaxial strains.

Bit of a mixed bag....
I'm for the muscle work...but as far as the skin stretching goes....going to have to give that aspect a pass. Too old.

free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 12:20 am

DragoN wrote:

Bit of a mixed bag....
I'm for the muscle work...but as far as the skin stretching goes....going to have to give that aspect a pass. Too old.

When you say skin stretching are you referring to the cross stretching technique? Hopefully, you're not passing on the massage. It definitely is as important as the exercises. When I pinch my face, I can't believe how thick my skin has become.

free skin care · Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:10 am

In case it helps anyone, FlexEffect is now on sale at 25% off:

http://www.flexeffect.com/product.htm

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