upper eye lid lift
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free skin care · Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:52 am

I have found that simple eye exercises for the upper lid do a nice job on my eyes. Thanks Nonie aka AD for your post, it reminded me what has kept my eyes looking good!

free skin care · Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:31 pm

EthelM wrote:

Firefox7275 wrote:

Sorry Nonie but some of those photos were photoshopped by a myopic six year old. Why is the brow lift lady wearing the EXACT same clothing and jewellery with her hair in the exact same position?? Ditto the Asian face exercises/ fake blue eyes lady's hair tendrils?

GOOD CATCH Firefox! Plus, some of the "befores" and "afters" aren't even of the same woman! (The photoshopped Asian lady that I commented about, and anyone else, can still get those browlift/eyelift results with Botox, though!) Very Happy

And Nonie, you are incorrect, you do not need an open mind to differentiate before and after photos; rather one needs to be objective. There is a difference between the meanings of those two words, Nonie. The value of the opinion of a "facial exercise" specialist, someone who profits from books, consultations, and classes, is nil to me...and if that "specialist" needs to point out changes reaped from their programs, it's even more concerning. A plastic surgeon needn't point out changes made after a bleph; those changes are obvious----obvious because they actually exist, unlike the imagined improvements brought by facial exercise. SNAKE OIL!

Been reading and trying to keep my mouth shut.. but... and I was going to propose exercising the eyelid, then saw the back and forth going on... Crying or Very sad

So, EthelM, what do you propose? I myself have done quite well with exercising the upper eye lid, in fact, I tried botox for my forehead at one time and it made it "heavy", no lines on forehead but my upper eyelid didn't like it...
I've found that if I do facial exercises without getting carried off, steady but with the norm that less is best, I like the effect,... why do you seem so against it I don't know, but no worries.
I agree that some of the photos sent by Nonie are obvious photo shop, but I also have to agree that maybe there is not enough info on the web about the benefits of facial exercise so it is difficult to find "proof"...the proof is in the pudding! And I find it just enough to actually see Nonie's photos, superb upper eyelids!!! Very Happy

And that aside, please give some useful advice for the upper eye lid lift without it being a surgical operation,... I would be glad to hear what you advise, if not I see no sense in your posts here in this thread... specially if you don't practice facial exercises yourself to see what some of them can do to your facial contours.
Cheers, Anne.

free skin care · Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:04 pm

EthelM wrote:

And Nonie, you are incorrect, you do not need an open mind to differentiate before and after photos; rather one needs to be objective. There is a difference between the meanings of those two words, Nonie. The value of the opinion of a "facial exercise" specialist, someone who profits from books, consultations, and classes, is nil to me...and if that "specialist" needs to point out changes reaped from their programs, it's even more concerning. A plastic surgeon needn't point out changes made after a bleph; those changes are obvious----obvious because they actually exist, unlike the imagined improvements brought by facial exercise. SNAKE OIL!

As a qualified exercise professional (body not face) I disagree. Postural distortions and technique faults in my clients are often blindingly obvious to me, but not to them or their 'experienced' training partner. Not one of my long term partners have noticed that I have one buttock lower than the other, despite being fairly intimately acquainted with my naked form. Nor have my best friend nor mother, both of whom see me partially clothed on shopping trips. Laughing

Client issues are not invented to profiteer: I made a conscious decision not to set up my own PT business but to remain in salaried employment instead. Of course some facial exercise 'specialists' are in it for the money - just like some dermatologists - and of course some are peddling snake oil. But to dismiss all practitioners is narrow minded IMO.

free skin care · Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:16 pm

Keliu wrote:

It is an absolute fact that no amount of exercise will return skin back to its "normal" position after it has been excessively stretched. For example, loose skin as a result of excessive weight loss - it must be surgically removed.

I'm sure that facial exercises can be useful in keeping the face trim and taught if started at an early age. But I don't believe that exercises will snap back the droopy eyelid skin of a mature age person in a reasonable period of time. Whereas eyelid surgery is a quick and easy fix - instant gratification if you like!

Actually when body skin stretches and will not shrink back that is usually the result of rapid weight loss, not simply losing a large amount weight. I wasn't aware ageing 'excessively stretched' facial skin to anything like the same degree as pregnancy/ birthing or obesity/ gastric band/ crash dieting. The only people I can think of like that are or were longterm smokers AND sunworshippers, and a bleph will not fix that.

free skin care · Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:21 pm

Keliu, you are ABSOLUTELY correct. Nonie, you are making claims that simply and patently are false..and further, even the most recent photos you posted to this thread are faulty (the "afters" are blurry and show no valid evidence of any improvement). Firefox, it isn't a matter of feeling negative about oneself at all, but rather of correctly identifying a problem, being realistic about the problem as well as the causes and prognoses of the problem, so to take effective steps to address the problem. In other words, it's about being realistic, not negative. When one is realistic, and has knowledge of physiology, one can take the best steps to look and feel as well as possible at every life stage. You know this, given your nutrition practice (nutrition is an important step to looking and feeling great at any age, by the way!) In this case, it's important to undxerstand that fragile, thinner, eyelid skin isn't as likely to "bounce back" or resist the effects of aging as the skin on the body. EVERYONE will age---whether one feels negative or positive about themselves, everyone will be subject to the effects of gravity, UV exposure, and other environmental assaults, as well as the physical realization of one's genetic background...it's part of being alive. The key is to look as great as possible at any given age, and to feel as great as possible...but essential to those goals is being realistic about the aging process and about what measures work to improve as well as knowing what measures simply aren't useful at all.

free skin care · Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:23 pm

Wow!! Sorry that I have come across as negative and defeatist. That wasn't my intention at all and I really don't like people who have a negative attitude to aging - because it is inevitable. I think I'm a prime example of someone who tries to do everything possible to delay the march of time - bar a facelift. For some reason I see that as giving in! But I'm not saying that I might not give in at some stage. I'm neither against facial exercise or surgery - whatever works I say. But seriously, you don't know what it's like to age, until you're aged yourself! And the reason I state that the body changes at menopause is because it does - it's a biological fact - it's why hormone replacement is such a contentious issue.

Anyway, I'm 62 and I'm still keeping on keeping on. This link has a photo of me at 60 - I took it after a laser treatment:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=44437&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

I don't have a problem with the aging process, but I do think it's naive to deny it. At late 30s and early 40s you haven't even started the downhill slide!

free skin care · Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:35 pm

Interesting thread and read: All I can say is that it is all confusing.

My older sister feared aging..she had her first facelift before 40, had her eyes done again later, and I think another facelift. She also had lipo on her body a few times. My other sister had her eyes done in her 30's and lipo also. To me, both look attractive..but still look their ages.

They are the reason I've never had anything done. I think it takes day to day skincare and diet to look young. You'd think by now I'd look like the older sister..but I do not. I use topicals and many of the things we discuss here...and it works better for me. I also diet to lose weight..would never get lipo.

Surgery is a solution for women like my sisters who would never spend the time on skincare, diet, exercise,and anti aging, as we do.

However..we all will get older and old...and it will be impossible -- and? it really look weird if we stayed looking 20-30-40 when we are 80. LOL. I think that is what K is saying.

Beautiful should be for every phase of life.

free skin care · Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:07 am

Nonie, I can assure you that my eyelid skin did hang over my eyelashes. So much so, that I qualified for a medical rebate for vision impairment surgery.

I'm not going to argue any more over facial exercises - we should all handle aging the way we see fit. I would ask though, why people who promote facial exercises find it necessary to resort to cosmetic surgery. I'm thinking particularly of a woman called Ellie (I think) who produces YouTube facial exercise videos and her B & A photos were discovered on a cosmetic surgery website and Carol Maggio whose face has been completely altered (although I have no proof that she's had surgery, but it certainly looks like it). As for Carolyn Cleaves' results in seven years - no, I couldn't have waited that long.

free skin care · Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:09 pm

Barefootgirl wrote:

Your un-answer is very telling.

I think we know the truth.

bfg

How is this an un-answer?
"I happen to spend hours on forums sharing stuff I know about hair, skin, face exercises, health, cats, etc and I don't get a cent for it."

free skin care · Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:07 pm

I just recalled something else. Nonie appears in advertisements for at least one seller of facial exercise that I am aware of, so there is a built-in bias.

In a community such as this one, where trust should be paramount, it would seem the ethical thing to do for anyone here who continually posts consistently positive (or even negative) reviews to disclose their affiliations up front.

The Real Self forum found itself in a jam over this very issue.

bfg

free skin care · Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:44 pm

EthelM wrote:

HOWEVER, two areas are not receptive to low impact treatments; the eyelid and the neck, largely because of the delicate skin and hence, tendency for early, irreparable damage. Therefore, upper blephs and neck lifts are usually necessary surgeries for those with slack skin on the eyelids and neck. Topicals and injectables are ultimately not effective treatments for slack skin.

It looks like someone is experimenting with dermal fillers in the eyebrow area to achieve lift of overhanging sag:

http://www.thevictoriancosmeticinstitute.com.au/eyebrow-shaping-lifting/

In theory, this makes sense; the results are subtle and temporary. Not sure if this procedure is approved or widely available (this link is from Australia).

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