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Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:05 pm  |
| aprile wrote: |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
| I've built up my cheeks at several points, and it can be done for sure. I think Aprile also had good resuls with her cheeks too and may come along and share. |
Absolutely Sean ~ But as I posted on another thread, you need to have something to work with. If you don't have much fat in your face, then it's harder to do. The facial muscles are small and mostly flat and you can lift then up and build then some, but you need some fat in your face too. I have noticed that I look better with a little more weight on me because even 5 extra lbs. can dramatically affect my face! Best, Aprile |
Which gives me another reason to up my goal weight.  |
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:35 pm |
| sandooch wrote: |
| aprile wrote: |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
| I've built up my cheeks at several points, and it can be done for sure. I think Aprile also had good resuls with her cheeks too and may come along and share. |
Absolutely Sean ~ But as I posted on another thread, you need to have something to work with. If you don't have much fat in your face, then it's harder to do. The facial muscles are small and mostly flat and you can lift then up and build then some, but you need some fat in your face too. I have noticed that I look better with a little more weight on me because even 5 extra lbs. can dramatically affect my face! Best, Aprile |
Which gives me another reason to up my goal weight. |
You are so cute!  |
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:27 am |
A bit of fat in the face gives a nice, balanced and feminine look. And it's loss of fat, not loss of muscle, that gives those flat cheeks when you age. Estrogen is the key factor here - and people with extra weight produce more estrogen after menopause than skinny people.
Of course there is always something to work with. There is muscle. But muscle does not look or act like adipose tissue. When the face moves you can always tell. |
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:08 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
Just out of curiousity can you describe to me (and others) why you think its implants? I know you've got a science background and I've been accused myself of having them, and I did chuckle because its not true at all but I'm curious as to what you see in the photos that makes you so sure she's had implants?
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It's not so much a single photo--not sure that I could tell by looking at just one.
Take the top two photos of Carole--I think she is in her early fifties in the one on the right and in her mid-fifties in the one on the left. She has been doing Facercise for over a decade in both photos, and in fact you can even see that her cheeks are becoming flatter with age in between these two photos...probably in large part due to bone loss during menopause, I would speculate.
Then look at the bottom two photos. She suddenly has much larger cheekbones than she ever had. And the shape of them being a bit more dramatically curved (indicative of an implant) than then being more gradually curved (indicative of fillers) makes me think that she has had implants.
Of course, I can't be sure, but it's pretty obvious to me that her cheekbones have suddenly grown in size...not likely to be from Facercise since she's been doing it for more than a decade anyways. |
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:56 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
| I can see differences in the photo, but that has more to do with the lighting, the colouring and the definition in the shots and the actual angles at which the photos have been taken. |
I'm pretty sure it's not due to these differences, as her cheekbones bulge out of her face in the latter set of photos. Just look at the unnatural protrusion of her cheekbone on the right side of the lower left photo. With the contrast of her cheek against the background of her hair, you can really see that it's not the makeup or lighting, but the unusual bulging profile of the cheek itself. I'm actually being pretty conservative here, as notice I didn't say anything about her lips, her now different skin texture, her jawline differences, etc. I only pointed out the one thing that I felt very confident on, as I think it's important to be fair and conservative in saying such things.
But I can understand how you are sensitive to that and we are each entitled to our own opinions  |
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:41 am |
I've said here many times that even though I think Carole has always wore too much makeup, she is still a gorgeous woman who has helped a lot of people change the shape of their face.
That being said, I do not know if she's had work done to her cheeks; although, from the pictures CM posted it does look as though she had. Now, I don't give a rat's patooty if anyone gets cosmetic surgery (I've had my share in the past and have posted about it in a few posts here), botox, fillers, etc... But it is plainly obvious that Carole has had something done to her lips over the years that no amount of facial exercise/makeup tricks can do for a person. Like I said, "Who cares!" But she shouldn't say that her recently fuller lips are from her program (old or new) or from a certain way she applies her lip liner, when the proof is in the pictures.
Like CM stated that in this second picture from the top, Carole is in her 50s and had already been doing her program for at least a decade and her lips are on the thin side. Same for the picture right underneath it where she is a little older.
In this recent picture of her in her 60s, her lips look twice as full (still not as full as they were in that third puckered up picture above...and, yes, she's puckering, but for anyone who's seen that video on youtube you can plainly see she's had something injected into her lips).
I'm not trying to be mean. Like I said above, she is a beautiful woman. I just think she should be honest with what she's obviously had done. |
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:31 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
You see this is just the thing I was highlighting. No problem in sharing personal opinion, but there are personal opinions here being shared as fact not personal opinion which is wrong. Hey we've all got them opinions, but we need to really distinguish between what is fact and personal opinion.
| sandooch wrote: |
| I just want to point out that it is honestly not my intention to upset any Facercise fans with my statement about her lips. I'm sure it is a great program. I know that lips can be made fuller with exercise; I just don't think they can double in size. This is just simply my opinion and nothing more. |
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I do not see that anyone is stating it as fact, but it is an opinion I share. Having been a makeup artist I know there is just so much you can do to make lips look fuller without painting on a clown mouth! |
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:28 pm |
@DarkMoon... LOL .... I'm not there yet, but if my highlights get too white-blond, I get washed out for sure.
But that picture of the woman with white hair is drop dead gorgeous... She won the genetic lottery in a big way!! |
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:41 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Luminosity wrote: |
@DarkMoon... LOL .... I'm not there yet, but if my highlights get too white-blond, I get washed out for sure.
But that picture of the woman with white hair is drop dead gorgeous... She won the genetic lottery in a big way!! |
I agree on her looks, my Grandfather has a full head of snow white hair and it was so handsome on him, I don't have those genes! |
I know what you mean... I'm trying to be more disciplined with face exercises... My dream would be to have those cheekbone, whoa! However, I don't think any amount of cheek raises or resistance work can mimic brilliant bone structure. One can always fight the good fight however.... |
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Wed May 02, 2012 3:20 pm |
Memo to self:
DO NOT DO FACE EXERCISES, NOW OR EVER!!!!!Something went horribly wrong here  |
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Wed May 02, 2012 3:27 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
Memo to self:
DO NOT DO FACE EXERCISES, NOW OR EVER!!!!!Something went horribly wrong here |
LOL.
I am stopping right this minute, she does look awful now. What a shame. |
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Wed May 02, 2012 7:03 pm |
Thank you Sandooch,
What I said, was really meant tongue in cheek! I do not mean to slam anyone for their aging, good or bad. But if that one picture was from earlier this year, the other others from recently, poor lady, something awful happened. |
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Wed May 02, 2012 7:10 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
Thank you Sandooch,
What I said, was really meant tongue in cheek! I do not mean to slam anyone for their aging, good or bad. But if that one picture was from earlier this year, the other others from recently, poor lady, something awful happened. |
That is what you get for having a warped sense of humor! (wink wink).
I really do wonder if she aged at least partially from some illness, and if so I do feel for her and wish her well! |
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Wed May 02, 2012 7:12 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Thank you Sandooch,
What I said, was really meant tongue in cheek! I do not mean to slam anyone for their aging, good or bad. But if that one picture was from earlier this year, the other others from recently, poor lady, something awful happened. |
That is what you get for having a warped sense of humor! (wink wink).
I really do wonder if she aged at least partially from some illness, and if so I do feel for her and wish her well! |
Must be why we get along so marvelously |
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Wed May 02, 2012 7:15 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Thank you Sandooch,
What I said, was really meant tongue in cheek! I do not mean to slam anyone for their aging, good or bad. But if that one picture was from earlier this year, the other others from recently, poor lady, something awful happened. |
That is what you get for having a warped sense of humor! (wink wink).
I really do wonder if she aged at least partially from some illness, and if so I do feel for her and wish her well! |
Must be why we get along so marvelously |
You know it!!! I have a morbid warped sense of humor!  |
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Thu May 03, 2012 2:53 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
Seriously just because you don’t like the look one person has achieved it doesn’t mean that by doing her system you’re going to end up identical to her.
Likewise facial exercise programs are like shoes nowadays in the sense that there are thousands out there which are different, so if one doesn’t give you results your wanting, you have many others to try that may give you entirely different results.
| Tiny wrote: |
| Memo to self: DO NOT DO FACE EXERCISES, NOW OR EVER!!!!!Something went horribly wrong here |
| loopylori wrote: |
| LOL. I am stopping right this minute, she does look awful now. What a shame. |
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Sean If you read Tiny's post after she did say that was said "tongue in cheek"!
You can acknowledge it or not but she does not look at all good in those particular pictures.
As I said she may have been ill, or on a medication that caused her present look. |
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Thu May 03, 2012 4:57 am |
Oh, come on ! In Carole's case, we have seen pics and videos of her over at least 10 years. In these pictures from the Lorraine show, she looks like no healthy woman wants to look at 65 (a few years from now for me). Her skin looks very tired, like it deflated. It might be poor health, in which case she should have sent someone else for that interview.
This is an objective observation. It has nothing to do with a preference like not liking her makeup and hairstyle. |
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Thu May 03, 2012 8:08 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
Whether tongue in cheek or not, it really doesn’t matter or change anything that I posted. If people dislike her look, then there are a variety of programs out there to
choose from pure and simple.
Likewise “not looking good” is purely subjectual. There are people who dislike my looks – and that’s just the way it is and always will be. |
I am not judging her or anyone else on their appearance. We all age differently and go thru different trials in life. I truly wish her well (I did say this as well, I am sorry you missed that part), something has happened in her life, its not normal to age that drastically in 6 months time. And your right, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I am sure she is a lovely woman.
And seriously lighten up a bit, I was teasing, I even said I was. I addressed face exercises not her personally, when I teased.
eta: I do not think anyone doing face exercises will look awful in 20 years. So carry on |
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Thu May 03, 2012 8:32 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
You know the trouble is that what starts out as fun, has the real potential to be extremely hurtful to someone and often without realisation. Sure I get it that you were teasing, but what do you think Carole would think or feel if she was to read this thread? Likewise someone entirely new to facial exercises reading this thread – you think you’re posts and teasing is going to give them confidence – for me I don’t.
I didn’t miss anything said in this thread, but know threads are often visited by visitors who may not comment or sign in, and its in their reading of comments like the such that are in this thread that can create nightmares in other peoples minds, and for clarity of purpose even with the joking element, people can and will read facial exercises did this, or can create that and will take that on board. Being a facial exercise teacher, I’m keen to promote them for what they are capable of and can do – and for the record I’ve no intention of ever giving them up, and I’ve done facial exercises for well over 10 years and then some! |
You do have a point, I hope I've clarified my statement, again, I repeat, I did say I wished her well and DID NOT make fun of her looks. I honestly would not poke serious fun of anyone, I am not out to cause anyone harm or emotional pain. I think you've taken this personal, and to a level it should not have been taken. But accept my apologies for any distress I've caused you. |
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Thu May 03, 2012 8:44 am |
| SeanySeanUK wrote: |
I've not taken it personally at all, but I do think that some compassion is a good thing especially when it comes to discussing people and their appearance and whilst your posts indeed do not make fun of her - sadly not all posts here are the same and there are some that do.
I wouldn't be working as a facial exercise trainer if I couldn't take the heat, but it saddens me when I see things turn and it becomes a personal attack. Whatever Carole has been through or is going through, she doesn't deserve the kind of things being said about her here. |
I agree, no one should be made fun of. But you did "single" my post out as making fun of her and face exercising? I actually did think "what if she read my post", when I typed it, I think she'd be fine with it. If I were her, I would be. You can't be in this (anti aging) business for well over 20 years and not have a very thick skin. I even have her book on my bookshelf, that I bought in my early 30's.
And even among some of the harsher comments most have been kind to her. |
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Thu May 03, 2012 9:29 am |
Nice to see that you've come out of EDS retirement, Sean!
I think most of the people on this thread are not against facial exercise. Like I had mentioned, I do it and love the results. And I do not feel that the way Carole's skin looks now is a reflection of her facial exercise program. Not in the least!
But I think if you are in a business that promotes facial exercise/beauty products and post pictures of youself online, you are going to be up for public scrutiny. Sorry, but that it a fact. It is not easy to sugarcoat comments on the dramatic differences in the pictures posted here. I feel that people have the right to their opinions, just as you do. This is a beauty forum, and people are going to make comments...good and bad. |
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Thu May 03, 2012 4:37 pm |
| sandooch wrote: |
| Nice to see that you've come out of EDS retirement, Sean! |
Hi sandooch, you beat me to it! I had a feeling Sean wouldn't be able to stay away from us for long. No more self imposed retirements. OK Sean? |
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Thu May 03, 2012 4:41 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
eta: I do not think anyone doing face exercises will look awful in 20 years. So carry on |
But, it sure seems like Kassy does.
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My assumption is that facial exercise will get you in the end...  |
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Thu May 03, 2012 5:52 pm |
| packratmack wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
eta: I do not think anyone doing face exercises will look awful in 20 years. So carry on |
But, it sure seems like Kassy does.
| Kassy_A wrote: |
My assumption is that facial exercise will get you in the end... |
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I should have elaborated more and instead had it read:
My assumption is that facial exercise will get you in the end if we are to believe Carol's claims that it's all she does!
I think now she is between a rock and a hard place.. If she admits to fillers, surgery, implants or whatever then facial exercise is a pretty moot point. If she continues to insist facial exercise is all she does, then the latest photo's would suggest they do more harm than good... Essentially, she's screwed (just MHO of course.) |
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