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Thu May 10, 2012 9:01 am  |
| Keliu wrote: |
Why would you choose a 0.5mm for eyelid skin? The skin is so thin there I think a 0.25mm would be adequate. And when you say eyelid skin I'm presuming you mean the orbital bone and aren't intending to roll over the eyeball itself.
Personally, I like to use either a 0.5mm or 1.00mm for the face and neck. A 0.5mm has been shown to induce collagen production - without the drama of the longer needles. I use that the most and intermittently use the 1.00mm. The skin on the chest is also quite thin, so I don't think a long needle is a good idea there either. Arms and legs could probably take the long needles though. |
The only time I would consider a needle longer than 1mm (which is good enough for Dr. Fernandes!) is for severe acne scarring.
I think it is also key to note that most people do NOT use the full length of the needle, especially if they are not numbing prior to a roll.
This is me after using a 1mm roller...I obviously used the full length of the needles, lol.
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Thu May 10, 2012 9:40 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
WOW! That could earn a place on gore gallery Bethany! 
Teasing not that bad but you are bloody there!  |
Yep! I shared it only as a means of keeping things in perspective when talking about needle lengths.
And for me to have that kind of roll requires Emla, Climax Spray throughout my roll (to keep the numb going), and 1 to 2 bottles of wine because the pain is so darn bad.
Now you know why I haven't rolled for almost 3 years, lol. |
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:50 am |
I think I am going to continue to experiment with different needle lengths on different parts of my body. The tops of my hands seem almost impervious!
I wanted to repeat that I had much better numbing results when I used a thicker ply plastic occlusive wrap, in case this might be of help to anyone else.
I found a book on Amazon this morning, it may be the first ever written about dermarolling. The author's name is Lance Setterfield.
I will be comparing it to the info in the articles in my folder that I am trying to assemble and organize.
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Mon May 14, 2012 9:47 am |
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| Barefootgirl wrote: |
oh my goodness, too funny "prickle me pretty"
about the book, yes I am interested as well. I've been a bit frustrated with all the info scattered about and some of it outdated, so my goal is to take the articles and this book and come up to some kind of complete understanding, it sounds rather geeky I realize, but it seems to me like a worthwhile use of my time...
BFG |
Count me in as geeky I ordered the book also!
That was very amusing on the "Prickle Me Pretty" |
When you get the book, would you give a review? I'm wondering if using ozone (as via a facial steamer) would help cut down the chances for any kind of staff infection.
I'm thinking to buy a little table top steamer and set it on the bathroom counter. I could steam/ozone my face first to reduce any bacteria (I believe Sarah Vaughter recommends steaming first but the ozone could be an added benefit). Then I could point the handle upwards, flip on the ozone using the cool steam function and roll.
P.S. I did my first .5 mm roll yesterday and I can say that using the Lyapko roller daily has definitely helped reduce my sensitivity to the roller. I feel much better about bumping up my needle length now. Finally! But... I really need to do that (6?) week prep first since it's been so long since rolling regularly. Yesterday was a kind of trial... that showed me I shouldn't be so skeered anymore! |
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Mon May 14, 2012 10:00 am |
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I checked Amazon and the book has not shipped yet, so if BFG gets it before I do hopefully she will review it!
If I do get it sooner I sure will let you know what if anything new shows up.
BTW I ordered the Lyapko roller from a seller off ebay and that is on it's way!
You and Keliu enabled that purchase, why didn't anyone tell me it looked like it was from the days of Woodstock?  |
LOL!! I love my Lyapko and since I am a child of the sixties, it all makes sense now!
My six year old is also starting to like my Lyapko (very lightly on his cheeks). Then again, he loves (and I mean loves) to wear my Frownies. I've taken to hiding them. Actually I switched to Furlese and love those even more. They are hidden too.  |
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Wed May 16, 2012 3:49 pm |
Hey lucky girl.
I can't wait,apparently in one of the reviews they called Derma needling "the poor mans laser"
not quite sure Id call it "Poor ", considering how much £££££ Ive spent just to get to this point. |
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Wed May 16, 2012 7:08 pm |
For those who may not know; Bethany is the poster child of rolling. Her picture is the true badge of rolling courage. (It should've/could've made the book). I remember when I first saw that picture. I wouldn't buy a roller for a year
Fast forward: I use a Lyapko regularly but have strayed from my regular rollers.
I'm inspired now to pull out all my goodies and get my face ready for a real roll some time in early July. (thanks a lot Beth )
The poster information Bethany posted is really helpful. Thanks. |
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Wed May 16, 2012 7:29 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Bethany just re-posted her "Gore Gallery" pictures on the Dermaroller thread. I am glad I am not a bleeder I can't imagine being that bloody after my roll.....hopefully! |
When Bethany first posted those photos I was a little horrified - and a bit disappointed with myself that I didn't get the same results - made me feel a bit inadequate.
However, I've rolled many times now with rollers from 0.5 to 1.5 and I just never bleed - no matter how hard I press. So I don't think everyone reacts to rolling in the same way. |
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Wed May 16, 2012 8:58 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Bethany just re-posted her "Gore Gallery" pictures on the Dermaroller thread. I am glad I am not a bleeder I can't imagine being that bloody after my roll.....hopefully! |
When Bethany first posted those photos I was a little horrified - and a bit disappointed with myself that I didn't get the same results - made me feel a bit inadequate.
However, I've rolled many times now with rollers from 0.5 to 1.5 and I just never bleed - no matter how hard I press. So I don't think everyone reacts to rolling in the same way. |
I am clearly a bleeder, lol. And for the records, I had already sopped up blood once before that pic was taken. I am not sure it was a 1.0mm or a 1.5mm though...I would have to check through the ancient dermaroller thread to be sure. But I have never bought anything longer than that...I am so NOT up for the pain!!! |
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Wed May 16, 2012 9:09 pm |
FYI...I just ordered the Environ products recommended by Dr. Fernandes (my rolling idol!) before and after a roll. I'll be sure to take pics and keep everyone posted on my progress.  |
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Wed May 16, 2012 9:20 pm |
| Bethany - not sure whether I've mentioned the Lyapko roller on this thread before (I know I have on others). But I've been using this NON-dermaroller twice a day for a while now. It doesn't pierce the skin, but it is still quite unpleasant. But now I can roll with a 1.0mm Dermaroller without anaesthetic. I barely feel a 0.5mm. I'm sure it has toughened up my skin! |
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Thu May 17, 2012 12:48 am |
| packratmack wrote: |
| bethany, a Lyapko Roller is a lightweight tool for you. You have used the heavy artillery. I'm not sure how much it will prep your skin. But, it is a nice tool to have. I think it's very stimulating and pleasant to use. Just the opposite of the dread I feel right before the dermaroller hits my face. I have to do a mental prep before rolling. Like a boxer, before he gets into the ring. |
I'm thinking that it has toughened up my skin - basically in the same way that skin on the feet becomes less sensitive from the constant abrasion of going bare-foot! So similarly, abrading the skin with the Lyapko twice a day desensitises it somewhat. |
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Thu May 17, 2012 9:32 am |
| bethany wrote: |
| packratmack wrote: |
| bethany, a Lyapko Roller is a lightweight tool for you. You have used the heavy artillery. I'm not sure how much it will prep your skin. But, it is a nice tool to have. I think it's very stimulating and pleasant to use. Just the opposite of the dread I feel right before the dermaroller hits my face. I have to do a mental prep before rolling. Like a boxer, before he gets into the ring. |
Pack, it has been years since I rolled, and I can barely tolerate a .25mm.  I am hoping the Lyapko will help me get mentally prepared too, and not dread the dermaroller so much, lol. |
Well, as I mentioned previously, I love the Lyapko not just because it is helping to gently firm my skin, but also because I love the feeling of it across my skin. I'm not sure if it's from the materials or the acupressure points it hits... But I literally feel a wave of relaxation when I use it... and I use it everywhere, even across my lips, and as close to my eyes as I can... I give it a good five minutes twice a day. Not that it's always comfortable (esp on the sensitive skin of the forehead) but in the slight pain, there is a joy. Weird, but that's how it works for me.
When I dermaroll I definitely feel less pain now... but not the joyful energy wave... so there's a difference. It's nice to have both devices. |
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Sun May 20, 2012 4:05 am |
well my book has arrived 
Really quick I can't quite believe it, I have nearly read it all . It is quite comprehensive and seems to be for practioners, but also written in an accessible style for (puddings like me!)
He writes his protocol for medical needling and cosmetic needling very interesting and clearly separates them . He seems to regard anything from .5mm upwards to be medical needling and anything below .5 to be cosmetic needling.(which in his opinion patients can do themselves)
He also states medical needling should be done only every 30 days ,but cosmetic can be done roughly 7 days following a medical needling and with the aim of a daily needling with a view for product penetration.
He seems to feel that needling is only part of the skin rejuvenation process and only partially successful if you don't accompany it with the correct nutrients both internal and topical.
He also has case studies with some pics, which I think are realistic also making the obvious point that this is a treatment programme that takes place over time.
It its a great book I confess I have skimmed over a lot of the technical stuff at the beginning and probably come across as really terribly muddled.
I think I am getting a much better clearer idea of how to plan my rolling programme and now need to get my products together and to use them in the right way to make sure I am getting the best out of this.
It is quite funny getting this book now as it has just confirmed my idea that laser treatment at least for my skin type(olive, mixed asian /english, sensitive) isn't really a good idea.
I had been considering the PLillips Re aura as a derma rolling alternative (trying to avoid the 1mm pain) Now that I have a better understanding I am going to bin that idea and stick with the rolling!
NOw I just need lots onb Emla, oh and where"s my bottle of vino?
Sorry for the long post
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Mon May 21, 2012 4:54 am |
DM
any time thanks for reporting back needed to read that after today |
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Mon May 21, 2012 10:30 am |
http://journals.lww.com/plasreconsurg/Abstract/2008/04000/Percutaneous_Collagen_Induction_Therapy__An.46.aspx
Percutaneous Collagen Induction Therapy: An Alternative Treatment for Scars, Wrinkles, and Skin Laxity
Abstract
Background: Skin laxity, rhytides, and photoaging are generally treated by ablative procedures that injure or destroy the epidermis and its basement membrane, at least in the beginning, and subsequently lead to fibrosis of the papillary dermis. The ideal treatment would be to preserve the epidermis and promote normal collagen and elastin formation in the dermis. Percutaneous collagen induction takes us closer to this ideal.
Methods: The authors performed a retrospective analysis of 480 patients in South Africa and Germany with fine wrinkles, lax skin, scarring, and stretch marks treated with percutaneous collagen induction using the Medical Roll-CIT to produce tighter, smoother skin. Most patients had only one treatment, but some have had as many as four treatments. Patients were prepared with topical vitamin A and C cosmetic creams for a minimum of 4 weeks preoperatively.
Results: On average, patients in Germany rated their improvement between 60 and 80 percent better than before the treatment. Histologic examination was carried out in 20 patients and showed a considerable increase in collagen and elastin deposition at 6 months postoperatively. The epidermis demonstrated 40 percent thickening of stratum spinosum and normal rete ridges at 1 year postoperatively.
Conclusions: Percutaneous collagen induction was started in 1997 and has proved to be a simple and fast method for safely treating wrinkles and scars. As opposed to ablative laser treatments, the epidermis remains intact and is not damaged. For this reason, the procedure can be repeated safely and is also suited to regions where laser treatments and deep peels cannot be performed.
Greater Collagen Deposition with the Microneedle Therapy System Than with Intense Pulsed Light
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1524-4725.2011.01882.x/full
Title: Micro Needling and Injecting Platelet Rich Plasma to Enhance Collagen Synthesis and Skin Tightening.
http://www.hairphil.com/downloads/prp.pdf
Percutaneous Collagen Induction: Minimally Invasive Skin Rejuvenation without Risk of Hyperpigmentation—Fact or Fiction?
http://journals.lww.com/plasreconsurg/Abstract/2008/11000/Percutaneous_Collagen_Induction__Minimally.29.aspx
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#2. Shower
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#4. Roll and curse.
#5. Wipe blood off with Sterile saline solution.
#6. Apply ludicrous amounts of active rich formulas. Currently AnteAge topped up with Jungle juice du jour.
#7. Done.
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Mon May 21, 2012 12:17 pm |
Thanks! |
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Mon May 21, 2012 2:09 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Luminosity wrote: |
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I checked Amazon and the book has not shipped yet, so if BFG gets it before I do hopefully she will review it!
If I do get it sooner I sure will let you know what if anything new shows up.
BTW I ordered the Lyapko roller from a seller off ebay and that is on it's way!
You and Keliu enabled that purchase, why didn't anyone tell me it looked like it was from the days of Woodstock? |
LOL!! I love my Lyapko and since I am a child of the sixties, it all makes sense now!
My six year old is also starting to like my Lyapko (very lightly on his cheeks). Then again, he loves (and I mean loves) to wear my Frownies. I've taken to hiding them. Actually I switched to Furlese and love those even more. They are hidden too. |
Mine arrived today and I am laughing at your six year old loving it, it is prickly!
Mine came from the Ukraine and all the instructions are in Russian!
I see the diagrams, but will look on the official site for more details! |
Yeah, mine came from Russia too... The only way I know what I'm doing is from watching the videos on the site... but still... that only helps so much. I also read the description on the website and that helps. Mostly, I just roll for five minutes twice a day and call it good! |
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Mon May 21, 2012 8:58 pm |
If anyone needs translation from Russian - please, PM me and I will try to help.
I also like my Lyapko quite a bit, had not yet gotten to real rolls, but am contemplating.... |
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Tue May 22, 2012 6:22 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
I can't stop playing with my new Lyapko roller, something about rolling this on the face is impelling! I strangely enjoy it
I want to find a manufacturer to make one with sharper, longer and thicker "spikes" because I know that would make one awesome meat tenderizer! I call first patent rights! |
These could be for you!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_star_%28weapon%29 |
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Tue May 22, 2012 10:03 pm |
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Anyone know how the Lyapko causes numbing or changes in pain perception?
BFG |
Couldn't image it doing that. My theory is this - think about how desensitised the soles of the feet become from walking with bare feet. It's just from the constant abrading, the skin becomes tougher. I'm presuming the same principle applies for all skin everywhere. But if I start getting bunions or corns on my face, I'll let you know! |
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Wed May 23, 2012 7:58 am |
| I would like to second DM on the roller purchase, owndoc is a great website, they now sell emla cream, tretonin cream and pretty well everything you would need to do derma needling comprehensively without spending too much money. |
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Mon May 28, 2012 8:32 pm |
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| He also doesn't agree with owndoc's recommendations. |
Would be specific about what he disagrees with? |
Probably this:
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Mon May 28, 2012 10:31 pm |
Thank you Bethany.
Me too. |
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