Ultrasound Ib3, Facemate, Bellaire, Brite Leaf etc
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free skin care · Fri May 11, 2012 6:24 pm

Check out truthinaging.com. There is a new led/ultrasound device just out for 89.00. Ive ordered one. You can use plain water or serum or gel as the conductor. Im all for cheap and not having to buy all the extras. I figure for 89.00 i can deal with that!!!

free skin care · Sat May 12, 2012 9:06 pm

I saw the Ultra Renew also and was interested because it is a 3 Mhz which is spot on for use on the face... However, in terms of price, I did a little sleuthing on the Net.

It appears to me that the Ultra Renew is *very* similar (if not the same manufacturer) as other face ultrasound/ LED units and you can get those slight less expensively.

Check out for the La Cerise unit for $69.99 on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Photon-Light-Green-Ultrasound-Massager/dp/B007RFEXQS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336881358&sr=8-1

And for $63.20 (but higher shipping) check out New Spa's unit: http://www.amazon.com/Photon-Light-Green-Ultrasound-Massager/dp/B002JPPU1I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336881577&sr=8-1

I could easily be wrong, but these look exactly the same to me. When I was a working esty, I know that a lot of our "expensive day spa" products were all coming from the same manufacturer that sold lines on skin-etc.com (and btw, I would actually buy my personal products from there because it was cheaper than my employee discount!!).

Sooo, long story cut short I bought the first unit by La Cerise! Laughing

Plus some ultrasound gel because the Truth in Aging website recommended using a conducting gel on top of your serums. I've heard aloe wasn't quite as good a conductor so I went with the medical stuff. OH boy, here she goes again! Laughing

free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 8:28 am

I would probably just use the ultrasound too as I have a baby q and only use it maybe 1 time wk if that. I'm just interested in the ultrasound at this point.

I want to try it (ultrasound) on my inner arms. I've lost 10-15# and it is so flabby/crepey/wrinkly that I'm about ready to gain the weight back. I'm 56 and had alittle of the crepey under/inner arm anyway without the weightloss and had vaser shape 3 times last summer. WASTE of money!!! Of course they said I had "subtle" results - how about NONE????? I was looking at the tripolar pose and I know it's RF also but thought maybe if I used it long-term and regular maybe it would end up working....ha, right??? But didn't want to take the chance spending the money for the Pose. Do you think I'd have any luck with it on my arms (the ultrasound)?

DragoN - what is the gel you make? Is there a thread somewhere? And what is the ultrasound device that you use?

free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 8:57 am

DragoN wrote:

It's not easy to find the ultrasound without the LED. I will absolutely not have that, even when they are cheaper.

Since the unit we have been discussing can't use the LED and ultrasound at the same time (only consecutively as DarkMoon pointed out), this seems like an affordable, workable option. I am not planning on using the LED portion, but having it sit there unused cannot be causing damage, can it? DragoN please let us know if not and why...

Also, I had read that 1 Mhz should not be used on the face? This is from the Bellaire site:

http://www.bellaireindustry.com/handhelds.html

Quote:

* Please be aware that there are companies who market handheld probes that are said to provide 1, 2, and 3 MHz frequencies all in one handheld device. Unless these are medical-grade devices, this is false advertising. Most likely, the handheld device is a 1 MHz probe with a low, medium, and high setting and if used on the face, can end up damaging your client's skin. *

P.S. I would like to know the unit you are using and the gel you make as well... Thanks!

free skin care · Sun May 13, 2012 10:49 am

Just so this question doesn't get lost, my question for DragoN posted earlier:

Since the unit we have been discussing can't use the LED and ultrasound at the same time (only consecutively as DarkMoon pointed out), this seems like an affordable, workable option. I am not planning on using the LED portion, but having it sit there unused cannot be causing damage, can it? DragoN please let us know if not and why...

Also, I had read that 1 Mhz should not be used on the face? This is from the Bellaire site:

http://www.bellaireindustry.com/handhelds.html

Quote:

*Please be aware that there are companies who market handheld probes that are said to provide 1, 2, and 3 MHz frequencies all in one handheld device. Unless these are medical-grade devices, this is false advertising. Most likely, the handheld device is a 1 MHz probe with a low, medium, and high setting and if used on the face, can end up damaging your client's skin. *

And further:

http://www.bellaireindustry.com/faqs.html

Quote:

1 MHz ultrasound waves permeate the deepest into tissue so it is for BODY use only. Since it is so powerful, it can damage your facial tissue if you use it on the face. For facial treatments, we recommend either 2 or 3 MHz. 3 MHz is used mainly on the face since it permeates the least deeply and 2 MHz can be safely used on both the face and body.
Bellaire Industry is the only manufacturer of 2 MHz ultrasound probes so please do not be misled by other companies who claim to have 2 MHz ultrasound probes.
When purchasing an ultrasound probe it is EXTREMELY important that you know what frequency the device is. Many of the ultrasound probes on the market today are 1 MHz probes that are sold as 2 or 3 MHz probes. As mentioned above, using the wrong frequency on the face could cause tissue damage. Make sure you purchase the device from a trustworthy company who can assure you the probes are the frequency they are being sold at.

I'm very curious about your answer here... Thank you.

free skin care · Tue May 15, 2012 8:24 pm

#1. True. But at 1 Mhz the temperature curve is almost flat.
#2. True, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Isolation of multipotent adult stem cells from the dermis of mammalian skin

Then there are the adult stem cells in the adipose tissue. Wink

free skin care · Thu May 17, 2012 11:17 am

DarkMoon wrote:

DebM wrote:

Luminosity wrote:

DarkMoon wrote:

I am still trying to work out if the 3mhz is really too weak for any benefit! Wink

I just received my 3 Mhz and I'm wondering the same thing... it looks pretty (the box was swathed in pink satin). LOL. But DragoN has me wanting the 1 Mhz now. Very Happy

that will be a bummer if its too weak!!!

What I do wonder is if used more often as most do at home is it really ineffective? I know a lot go less often to a spa, esty ect. for the stronger option?

That was my same thinking. I'm hoping it will work as well as at the derms office if we use it more often and regularly or at least have some results!!!

free skin care · Thu May 17, 2012 2:54 pm

I have the 2 MHz Bellaire unit. It's a nice compromise between the 1 and 3. Smile

I would be afraid to use 1 MHz on my face.

free skin care · Thu May 17, 2012 3:23 pm

Ok, I officially tried my TIA-replica unit today. Someone said that using it was the equivalent to watching grass grow. Something like that! Laughing

Well, it's true! The only reason I knew it was "on" was that I could hear a slight buzzing when I glided it by my ear. Also, I first dropped some water on it to see it pulsating. Other than that, there was no sensation whatsoever.

I suppose it's worth a shot - there is no affordable 2 Mhz an the 1 Mhz still scares me a little. But to answer BFG, DragoN has mentioned that she saw lift and that is probably what is motivating me, along with the rave from the TIA website. Is that enough? I don't know.... we'll see.

free skin care · Thu May 17, 2012 8:56 pm

So far, I can't tell if any of the home units give results. I'd love to know.
I went to my esthetician yesterday..she says her clinic will be getting an ultrasound laser machine and the results are amazing and it is painless. She said you don't even have to be a nurse to use the machine. She says you can use it around the eyes with great results and the jowls. I'd love to find a home use one that works.

free skin care · Thu May 17, 2012 9:08 pm

Ultrasound improves skin laxity and increases penetration of actives: Discussion

Compiled the information there. There is a definite disparity. I spoke with a medical technology company and manufacturer here in Taiwan, they sell to North America and Europe, and are making 1 Mhz units.

1 Mhz and 3 Mhz penetrate to the same depth. According to the research. I am using both, and both are nice, the 3 Mhz heats up faster than the 1 Mhz. Other than that, can't say I notice the difference. Skin tingles after use with both.

free skin care · Fri May 25, 2012 9:12 am

DragoN wrote:

Luminosity,

I hope you can get more concrete answers from Sing Hong, but I don't think so. Those answers aren't out there in black and white. He's doing the best he can based on what is available. I can't fault him for that.

Regarding that unit, I've seen that unit advertised here as well. It's quite a common one. I personally passed on it, The transducer head is really small as a result of the LED array. Wait, there are better things out there. I found some nice simple 3 Mhz and 5 Mhz with multiple setting units. Will test those as well.

Several manufacturers are adamantly assuring me that the 1 Mhz is safe. Define "safe" for me please? LOL...I am really picky. So, Sing Hong is in the same boat.

I am pretty certain that they are fine, as long as not abused. 5 mins. Not 30. I prefer the low heat as opposed to the hi heat. My bias. doesn't mean I'm right though
Bone attenuates very effectively...lots of bone on my face. My concern is the eyes. Do Not go over the eyes. 50Mhz machines are used in ocular therapy. Not these units and the intensities are in the 1000+J/cm2

There are studies looking at retinal damage, but the intensities are again, extremely high.

Units are available and sold at 1 Mhz, Skindream is the cream of the crop with those specs...so...

I will be knocking on our Nuclear Physics man's door this week...with tools in hand...LOL...he's going to kick my butt Laughing

...but I think I have the answer....I just want to confirm with him.

DragoN... any further info from your Nuclear Physics guy?? I just got the 1 Mhz yesterday and I'd really love any further comments about safety...

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 9:09 am

Sage06 wrote:

DarkMoon wrote:

Exactly what is a duplication in your opinion?

I am not alone in the use of many things, as a matter of fact many I see use much more! If you read I do alternate gadgets!

I manage my time well and am very fortunate to not have to work in any conventional sense at this time in my life! Very Happy

I'm asking, not criticizing. My post was all questions except for my opinion about the time expenditure involved in carrying out your routine.

Even if used on alternate days, it seems to me like a lot of time. Is it? How long does it take you? You say you are efficient in the use of your time and I have no reason to disbelieve you. I manage my time well too and would love to know how to be even more efficient in my skincare routine.

Also, it seems like you do a lot, which is why I asked if some of it is duplicative. Is it? If so, why do you think it beneficial to use several separate tools that accomplish similar end results? If it isn't, which would you recommend to someone who would like to use only one (or as few as possible) tool/s?

First I make most of my own skin care.

The US is brand new purchased very inexpensively so I have not really had time to assess it to give any opinion.

The HF 5-10 minutes tops.

OCM evening is just Olive Oil and Castor Oil (mixed myself) and I massage a while watching the boob tube. rinse off and done.

The Skinn Sonic cleanser also relatively new, fast morning cleansing, no longer than washing face but more thorough IMO.

PMD I am not following directions using as often but will cut back to once a week soon, worth the time IMO.

LED I do it while online or watching TV, only a few times a week.

I am new to most so would hesitate to recommend any to another, except OCM which I have done going on 20 years and I do love my HF device!

I am liking how my skin is responding to the LED, but that is controversial as I am sure you know, so all must decide on that for themselves.

AnteAGE, I am not convinced as of yet and whether I give it more time will depend heavily on what actually happens with the Loyality Program, no email on that so far!

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 9:11 am

Sage06 wrote:

Even if used on alternate days, it seems to me like a lot of time. Is it? How long does it take you? You say you are efficient in the use of your time and I have no reason to disbelieve you. I manage my time well too and would love to know how to be even more efficient in my skincare routine.

Also, it seems like you do a lot, which is why I asked if some of it is duplicative. Is it? If so, why do you think it beneficial to use several separate tools that accomplish similar end results? If it isn't, which would you recommend to someone who would like to use only one (or as few as possible) tool/s?

Sage I also have several tools now... It's hard for me to actually figure out a schedule, lol but I'm trying.All skincare is about improving the skin, but different tools attack the problem in different ways.

In terms of which *one* tool is best... that one tool doesn't exist... but... the hope is that a multi-pronged assault can yield the best results. Not to make this sound like a war! LOL. Or maybe it kind of is. Smile

I would start with a tool that speaks to you... my first one was the Lightstim LED. That seemed to offer a lot of benefits without the healing cascade that one must go through with more mechanical means of skin rejuvenation. Like DarkMoon said, keep in mind that there is some controversy surrounding LED usage and actually, any tool or gadget, will have its pros and cons.

I'm trying to use ultrasound twice a week
The Lyapko roller everyday (it's just so quick)
My LED use is on hold until I figure out the controversy
My skin scrubber is once a week/ so is the microdermabrasion
The HF I just received and it's very quick too... I will use it a few times a week
Safetox is everyday... gotta do something about those 11s...

So in the end, yeah, it is time consuming but if it wasn't fun I wouldn't continue with it. And someday I may cut way back. For now, I am playing and enjoying the process!

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 3:32 pm

Sage06 wrote:

Thank you so much for a list I can actually use for reference, Luminosity

I am sorry Sage,

I was not intending to sound difficult, but honestly a good deal is all new to me as well and I am trying to muddle through. Long story short after 31 years of kids (including grown ones) to look after. A year of intense caretaking of my very ill father, and two years getting his estate settled. I finally have all four kids out on their own and have the time and funds to blow on me!
I did forget I just got the Lyapko roller to help prepare for needling.

Before the last month or so I used my HF device and sometimes my iSkin little dermabrasion tool!

I am just trying things that I have been reading about here for a long time and wanted to try! Very Happy

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 5:13 pm

Sage, hope you find your fave gadget and report back... It's the start of a great adventure! Very Happy

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 11:23 am

Thanks DM. I will take my comments/questions about OCM to the OCM thread if you don't mind looking. I don't want to take this thread too far off topic.

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