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Wed May 16, 2012 11:10 am  |
hey Tiny
not DrJ but I did find out some info about ReLuma that people may find interesting or not.
The site I found is offering ReLuma Anti-Aging Trio: Cleanser, Serum & Moisturizer for $179.
ingredients which may help the more scientific amongst us.
ReLuma Cleanser 30 ml:
Human adipose derived stem cell conditioned media, decyl glucoside, cocamidepropyl betaine, sodium PCA, quillaja saponin, calendula extract, methylisothazolinone, caprylyl glycol, distilled water
ReLuma Skin Illuminating Anti-Aging Serum 20 ml:
Human Adipose Derived Stem Cell Conditioned Media, Water, Glycerin, Sodium PCA, DL-Panthenol, Hydroxy Ethyl Cellulose, Allantoin, Phenoxyethanol.
ReLuma Moisturizer 30 ml
Human Adipose Derived Stem Cell Conditioned Media, Cetearyl Olivate, Sodium Olivate, Caprilic Capric Triglycerides, Vegetable Glycerin, Jojoba Oil, Jojoba Ester, Sodium L-Pyrrolidone Carboxylate, Sodium Lactate, L-Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, Glycine, L-Alanine, L-Serine, L-Valine, L-Proline, L-Threonine, L-Leucine, L-Phenylamine, Silica, Vitamin E Tocopherol, Xanthan Gum, Hyaluronic Acid, Coenzyme Q-10, Methylisothiazolinone and Caprylyl Glycol, Water.
I read the reviews as well and I had to laugh, the first review was done by Lori, I can assure you it was not me. |
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Wed May 16, 2012 11:48 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Thanks DarkMoon,
I don't think they include much information on this ReLuma Product. |
Sorry Tiny,
I just looked really quick and found what was here. 
Maybe Dr. J will weigh in as you requested! |
Oh please don't misunderstand, I appreciate your work!!!!!!!!!!! I looked too, just nothing on this new serum. |
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Wed May 16, 2012 12:46 pm |
Yes Thanks!! I am awful at this science stuff, but at least Dr.J can consider me a sucess in his efforts here, I did note right away Natura Bisse, was NOT what it said it was  !! So job well done Dr.J, add a sucess to your list |
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Wed May 16, 2012 1:34 pm |
Http://www.buyrelumanow.com/how.php
this has the company information on it
Was developed by a highly reputable scientific research company ( not a skin care lab) specializing in the culture and engineering of adult stem cells by which they develop innovative products and therapies that are used in wound healing, aesthetic surgery, ophthalmic, orthopedics and neurological disorders. This company is now being chosen as the sole provider in isolating stem cells for a study
So if this company is using the "cheaper" stem cells, how in the world can we tell? |
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Wed May 16, 2012 5:57 pm |
| Must be an inexpensive active (for them) if they are putting it in a wash/scrub. Give the absorption dynamics, these cytokines are basically all being washed down your sink. So lacking in rational formulation sense is this, it makes me question everything else. What the concentrations are, how they are handled. Formulation logic-impaired. BTW - The serum is 20 ml, not 30. So whatever price you see, increase by 33% to compare to a standard size serum. |
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Wed May 16, 2012 5:58 pm |
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This should peak Dr. J's interest from his favorite beauty blogger:
Stem cells and human conditioned media
April 13, 2011 by Marta
If there is an ‘it’ anti-aging ingredient for 2011, it is probably stem cells. Controversial in the fields of medicine and ethics, stems cells in cosmetics are equally complex. Anti-wrinkle serums based on stem cells may be derived from plants or humans. Some creams touting stem cells are simply being misleading. The Truth In Aging stem cell 101 tries to shed some light and stem (ahem) some of the misinformation.
A study on EGF taken from mice observed that it stimulated the growth of proteins in cells and hyaluronic acid in humans. However, it inhibited collagen production unless accompanied by vitamin C, in which case they “gave additive effects on growth and protein synthesis of the cells” (source). However, animal stem cells are not used in any of the cosmetics that I am aware of; they tend to come from either humans or plants.
Human fibroblast conditioned media
Human fibroblast conditioned media, or human adipose stem cells, or epidermal growth proteins appear in serums such as ReLuma’s or Osmosis StemFactor. So what are they and what is the process that got them into a cream.
The progenitor cells of the human fibroblast are typically taken from newborn baby foreskins (I can’t help thinking that there is a nice little sideline for rabbis here) or human fat – adipose - cells. In any case, they are called adult stem cells to differentiate them from embryonic stem cells, which are not used in cosmetics. From the progenitor cell, many thousands of new cells have been grown in the lab. Understanding this may help dispel myths (and fears) that new human cells are extracted for each batch of cosmetics and that they may be diseased or cancerous. The progenitor cell is supposedly pristine and then is cloned in a laboratory.
Conditioned media is, in fact, the solution (sugars, amino acids and such) that is put in the petri dish in which the cells are grown. Conditioned media might typically be thrown away by a lab that is using the cells for something else and this has led some people to worry (or to stir up rumors) that this ingredient is in fact waste. However, cosmetic companies such as SkinMedica or Reluma are not gathering up byproducts that are about to be thrown away. The conditioned media contains proteins that have been secreted by the cells and these proteins are what makes it into our serums.
ReLuma's formula uses adipose stem cells and conditioned media (as well as some other proprietary process). Osmosis StemFactor has conditioned media only.
There are many different proteins and, although they all send signals to cells, their roles differ. You’ll see that the various stem cell serums make claims about the number of proteins in serums and which are the most important. Osmosis claims over 100, and ReLuma counters with more than 300. In the end, I suspect that this is marketing speak and that what they really contain are families or groups of proteins (in which there may be 100s of sub proteins).
E’shee, for example, dotes on FGF-1 a family of growth factors involved in angiogenesis and wound healing. ReLuma is big on the TGF-b family (transforming growth factor-beta), saying it is considered the most important growth factor group because the majority of skin cells recognize their signals. TGF-b stimulates collagen production, promotes the synthesis of extracellular matrix proteins, and inhibits matrix degradation (thinning of your skin). ReLuma uses other growth factors including PDGF (Platelet-derived growth factor) and GM-CSF.
Mostly, these proteins are repairers and much of the research on them has been on wounds.
http://www.truthinaging.com/ingredient-spotlight/stem-cells-and-human-conditioned-media |
Don't get me started, DM. |
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Wed May 16, 2012 6:20 pm |
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| Must be an inexpensive active (for them) if they are putting it in a wash/scrub. Give the absorption dynamics, these cytokines are basically all being washed down your sink. So lacking in rational formulation sense is this, it makes me question everything else. What the concentrations are, how they are handled. Formulation logic-impaired. BTW - The serum is 20 ml, not 30. So whatever price you see, increase by 33% to compare to a standard size serum. |
If I read this right, because they make a cleanser using this ingredient, the rest must be garbage or at least suspect?
Yes it is expensive stuff, this is a come try the products at bigger than small sizes, 1oz cream, between 1/2 an ounce and an ounce serum (.70), and a cleanser (which they do recommend you leave on your face like a mask for a bit, not sure that helps absorption but at least they say that) It is smaller than most, but right at the cost of most 1oz serums.
Would this also mean, they are lying about their science backgrounds and methods here? |
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Thu May 17, 2012 8:04 am |
Well I will happily order this and will report back, others will report on yours, that should work as a test.
My real question was not about cream or cleansers, that was a sale kit. My only question has always been about the serum, its the one I wanted to know how it compared to yours. Its more than yours at regular price, but can be bought in several kits (at the moment) for about $80.00 at .70oz. So price aside, the question is how good is it vs. Cellese? $176 for the cream, serum and cleanser isn't a bad price at all, to try it. |
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Thu May 17, 2012 11:24 am |
Ok I am going to take one for the team.
I've ordered and should receive in 3-6 days, $176, no tax, free shipping (I did find it on amazon for cream and serum $154). I will give a brutally honest review of what I think (even on the cleanser). There are enough already using and waiting (for loyalty info) to use/order Cellese, so a comparison should be able to be done. I get I'll just be one, and there will be more on the other, but its worth a go, since I've never used this ingredient before.
I'll start a new thread once I get this product and start using it. |
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Thu May 17, 2012 11:30 am |
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Ok I am going to take one for the team.
I've ordered and should receive in 3-6 days, $176, no tax, free shipping (I did find it on amazon for cream and serum $154). I will give a brutally honest review of what I think (even on the cleanser). There are enough already using and waiting (for loyalty info) to use/order Cellese, so a comparison should be able to be done. I get I'll just be one, and there will be more on the other, but its worth a go, since I've never used this ingredient before.
I'll start a new thread once I get this product and start using it. |
Thanks Tiny and good luck!
Looking forward to your review!  |
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Thu May 17, 2012 12:02 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
Ok I am going to take one for the team.
I've ordered and should receive in 3-6 days, $176, no tax, free shipping (I did find it on amazon for cream and serum $154). I will give a brutally honest review of what I think (even on the cleanser). There are enough already using and waiting (for loyalty info) to use/order Cellese, so a comparison should be able to be done. I get I'll just be one, and there will be more on the other, but its worth a go, since I've never used this ingredient before.
I'll start a new thread once I get this product and start using it. |
I like your esprit de corps. Go team! |
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Thu May 17, 2012 4:31 pm |
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| Tiny wrote: |
Apparently with time, you are suppose to be able to use less and less of this product, after the first 3 months you begin using less.
This is the suggested usage for Re Luma:
FOR ADVANCED ANTI-AGING TREATMENT, SUN-DAMAGE, ROSACEA
Use as follows:
For the first 3 months:
Apply ReLuma twice daily (morning and night).
After the 3rd month: Apply once daily at night.
After 6 months: Apply 2 or 3 times per week at night. |
That effects the long term cost equation quite a bit! |
My thoughts as well, I had not paid attention to this. I was also reading on their site and some other reviews, that most see marked results within 4-6 week range. Love that even better, but I do expect a full range of results to take longer, but the sooner the better, that way if its not doing much in a three months, I can move on. |
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Mon May 21, 2012 1:33 pm |
Have you ripped it open and tried any yet
probably not. How is the packaging,are the bottles pretty? Tubes whatever they are.A girl likes to know these things. |
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Tue May 22, 2012 12:54 pm |
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| airless pump bottles. I am not sure I am familiar with them. I guess if you could see that the tubes were missing the bottles are clear. So you can see exactly how much you have used. Helpful if you want to re-order. Or am I wrong? |
LOL. The first I ever owned confused me too (been many years)!
The main purpose is they form a vacuum so no air to oxidize anything, and they keep nasties out. Many are clear or frosted, but you may find some that are opaque! |
They are completely clear, I will be able to see how much product is used or not. So far one pump is all I am needing of each, wee bit more on cream, but that's because I like ALOT of cream.
I really did think, great, I got broken bottles lmao |
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Tue May 22, 2012 4:49 pm |
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| Tiny wrote: |
Ok postman just arrived with my package. I must say I am very happy with the service at truthinaging. They got a lot of orders the day I ordered and were a bit backed up, my package did not go out until late the next day, so they bumped up my shipping from 3-6 days to 1-3 at no charge and I had not even requested it ! and the 3-6 days was free shipping too boot!
Next they sent out quiet a few samples, some appear to be very Large size samples too, but I digress, I will start using these and report on a new thread down the road a bit. |
What size products are in the kit? I can't fine it. |
www.truthinaging.com/reluma-illuminating-trio
clipped from Google - 5/2012
if that does not work, go to truthinaging.com and search re luma, its the trio that I bought. Its a 20ml (.70ounce serum) 1oz cleanser, and 1oz cream for 179.00. I also found just the 20ml serum and the 1oz cream on amazon for $154.00. One pump of this serum goes far, its all I need. The cleanser I am using as a mask as they suggest, its actually a very expensive but nice cleanser. The cream I really like so far too. Its very early but no complaints as to dryness or irritation.
eta: If I had seen the serum and cream for $154.00, thats what I would of bought. I don't know that any cleanser is worth the cost of this one, but TIA customer service was outstanding. |
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:38 pm |
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To understand the difference between Reluma and AnteAGE, we need to talk about the science of stem cells, typoes of stem cells, stem cell niches, and all that....
Your body’s fat stores contain stem cells that look a whole lot like the stem cells in your bone marrow. They have the surface markers of mesenschymal stem cells (MSC’s). But the statement in the post above … “There is increasing evidence that marked differences exist in the biology of MSCs that are dependent on the tissue of origin.” is a major key to understanding that there are important differences. They look the same, but they are not the same functionally. These MSC’s living in fat tissues are not the first responder cells mobilized for repair. That is not their “NICHE”. In fact, they may be part of a different system that has to do with regulation of fat (energy storage) biochemically as well as being progenitors for new fat cells (should you need more). Now, when expanding a colony of these cells in a culture (in vitro) they behave just as MSC’s (or fibroblasts, indeed many mammalian cells) in secreting cytokines to exchange information during growth. The focus of the message is growth.
But it is not necessarily a recipe for repair and rejuvenation. Do they work? Yes.
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Excuse my bottom-line mind: So Anteage-cytokine-system product repairs and rejuvenates facial skin, but Reluma-cytokine-system product is an efficient maintainer of facial skin fat?  |
Could be Kath, none of us know. I am having great results and am quiet happy with my purchase.
What made me buy this over the other 2 is from the research I did, they "Re Luma" came across this technology from working with surgeons in wound care, and diff surgeries. So why not start where it began. Instead of an "unknown". So if were talking bottom line, that was my thinking. I might be wrong, we'll see in time. Please feel free to put your money in whichever product tickles your fancy, this one did mine!! Good luck, were all after the same thing, good skin  |
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Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:42 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Kath91 wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
To understand the difference between Reluma and AnteAGE, we need to talk about the science of stem cells, typoes of stem cells, stem cell niches, and all that....
Your body’s fat stores contain stem cells that look a whole lot like the stem cells in your bone marrow. They have the surface markers of mesenschymal stem cells (MSC’s). But the statement in the post above … “There is increasing evidence that marked differences exist in the biology of MSCs that are dependent on the tissue of origin.” is a major key to understanding that there are important differences. They look the same, but they are not the same functionally. These MSC’s living in fat tissues are not the first responder cells mobilized for repair. That is not their “NICHE”. In fact, they may be part of a different system that has to do with regulation of fat (energy storage) biochemically as well as being progenitors for new fat cells (should you need more). Now, when expanding a colony of these cells in a culture (in vitro) they behave just as MSC’s (or fibroblasts, indeed many mammalian cells) in secreting cytokines to exchange information during growth. The focus of the message is growth.
But it is not necessarily a recipe for repair and rejuvenation. Do they work? Yes.
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Excuse my bottom-line mind: So Anteage-cytokine-system product repairs and rejuvenates facial skin, but Reluma-cytokine-system product is an efficient maintainer of facial skin fat? |
You do know the old saying don't knock it until you have tried it!
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My goodnes...
I really don't understand how someone would think I'm "knocking something" by merely asking a question.
After reading Dr. J's input, my thoughts were that Dr. J, who on his orange crate spiel, touts his cytokines as the best and that perhaps HE overlooked the notion that:
Perhaps there were those who WANTED to maintain facial fat (with the usage of MSC's from fat tissue (see above from Dr. J's post) (IN MY MIND, I was thinking VOLUME)
so what would be so tragic to use a product that kept volume in the face???
On the Cellese Anteage thread/site here at eds, I posted that I was interested in purchasing Anteage for my grandma and one auntie (70+ in age) and...
when I saw this info re: Reluma, I thought maybe it was a better choice:
a) Dr.J's Anteage clinical studies for MATURE adults was not so great and
b) I didn't want to give gifts that were DUDS.
c) They both would appreciate facial volume...
Jeepers |
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Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:05 pm |
| Kath91 wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Kath91 wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
To understand the difference between Reluma and AnteAGE, we need to talk about the science of stem cells, typoes of stem cells, stem cell niches, and all that....
Your body’s fat stores contain stem cells that look a whole lot like the stem cells in your bone marrow. They have the surface markers of mesenschymal stem cells (MSC’s). But the statement in the post above … “There is increasing evidence that marked differences exist in the biology of MSCs that are dependent on the tissue of origin.” is a major key to understanding that there are important differences. They look the same, but they are not the same functionally. These MSC’s living in fat tissues are not the first responder cells mobilized for repair. That is not their “NICHE”. In fact, they may be part of a different system that has to do with regulation of fat (energy storage) biochemically as well as being progenitors for new fat cells (should you need more). Now, when expanding a colony of these cells in a culture (in vitro) they behave just as MSC’s (or fibroblasts, indeed many mammalian cells) in secreting cytokines to exchange information during growth. The focus of the message is growth.
But it is not necessarily a recipe for repair and rejuvenation. Do they work? Yes.
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Excuse my bottom-line mind: So Anteage-cytokine-system product repairs and rejuvenates facial skin, but Reluma-cytokine-system product is an efficient maintainer of facial skin fat? |
You do know the old saying don't knock it until you have tried it!
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My goodnes...
I really don't understand how someone would think I'm "knocking something" by merely asking a question.
After reading Dr. J's input, my thoughts were that Dr. J, who on his orange crate spiel, touts his cytokines as the best and that perhaps HE overlooked the notion that:
Perhaps there were those who WANTED to maintain facial fat (with the usage of MSC's from fat tissue (see above from Dr. J's post) (IN MY MIND, I was thinking VOLUME)
so what would be so tragic to use a product that kept volume in the face???
On the Cellese Anteage thread/site here at eds, I posted that I was interested in purchasing Anteage for my grandma and one auntie (70+ in age) and...
when I saw this info re: Reluma, I thought maybe it was a better choice:
a) Dr.J's Anteage clinical studies for MATURE adults was not so great and
b) I didn't want to give gifts that were DUDS.
c) They both would appreciate facial volume...
Jeepers |
Kath
I was in the same quandry over which products too choose. So many threads end up defensive over anything to do with cytokines. I am not defending them, hell, haven't used them long enough to defend or hate. I am seeing nice results and according to Re Luma's sight that is normal. They claim some pretty good results within a 4 week time period. There is a lot of science on their site, I am sorry, but my eyes roll back in my head at trying to decipher it all, so I am not a good one to question that part of it on.
I can't help you decide, I decided based merely on the company information and the reviews I was able to read. ISCO what little I could understand about that product, before the thread turned into a different topic, led me to search and discover this. As I've stated Bushy's results on ISCO, tempted me, hence my search. If I understand ReLuma's information correctly, they were the first, which is why I choose them, they also still work with Doctors in all the major cities and Surgeons. I do not prefer to spend this type of money with a Company I know nothing of, and one I can find nothing on, that's just my personal preference.
I think people have become skittish on this topic, I even know people that won't post on ISCO, due to feeling its been overtaken, so know its not personal, if I try to keep this about Re Luma. There are plenty of threads about any of the other ones to choose from.
If I can answer anything specific that I am not please feel free to ask. |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:41 am |
| Kath91 wrote: |
| Excuse my bottom-line mind: So Anteage-cytokine-system product repairs and rejuvenates facial skin, but Reluma-cytokine-system product is an efficient maintainer of facial skin fat? |
when I saw this info re: Reluma, I thought maybe it was a better choice:
a) Dr.J's Anteage clinical studies for MATURE adults was not so great and
b) I didn't want to give gifts that were DUDS.
c) They both would appreciate facial volume...[/i]
Just a little blurb from their website
Cytokine
Function
TGF-beta
Stimulates collagen production
(b1,b2,b3)
Stimulates fibroblast collagenase and glycosaminoglycan production Increases fibronectin synthesis
Inhibits matrix degradation
Facilitates cell chemotaxis
PDGF
Stimulates fibroblast collagenase and glycosaminoglycan production
Stimulates angiogenesis
Stimulates wound contraction
Facilitates cell chemotaxis
GM-CSF
Improves leukocyte function
Activates neutrophils, eosinophils, and monocytes/macrophages
Stimulates proliferation and differentiation of hematopoietic cell lines
Interleukins
Regulate cell homeostasis
(IL-3), (IL-6)
Stimulate proliferation and differentiation of hematopoietic cell lines
(IL-7), (IL-
Enhance neutrophil functions
Function as anti-inflammatory agents and stimulate wound healing
Results
Although each growth factor has different effects on skin cells’ functions, the combined action of multiple growth factors and proteins is required for optimal growth, stimulation, and synergy of skin cell behavior. For example, in order for TGF-b to stimulate fibroblast cell growth, the presence of PDGF is required.3 Thus the application of ReLuma, which contains multiple growth factors and proteins, versus other skin care products containing only a single growth factor, results in a more effective system for stimulating skin rejuvenation and regeneration. ReLuma’s combined delivery of multiple, natural human growth factors has the ability to stimulate fibroblast production of collagen, stimulate keratinocyte and fibroblast proliferation, enhance blood vessel formation, and work as a potent anti-inflammatory agent in skin. These processes may then function to increase skin firmness and elasticity, reduce the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, increase skin miniaturization and vibrancy, develop a smoother, silkier texture, even out skin colors and tones, and may result in thicker, younger looking skin.
http://invitrxtherapeutics.squarespace.com/
Kath,
I don't blame you for asking questions. This stuff costs more than the average moisturiser. I googled this company and found a lot of information. Everything I read about the company and the product was good, well mostly glowing. The seem to operate in an ethical manner, their product is well liked and seems to work. From what I have read and Tiny has said, this does everything and more something in bottle can do.
You can understand the jitters here, you have read the other threads with products that contain the same technology. Tiny is correct people are frightened to post.
They don't want to ask a question that might get them horsewhipped or just treated like a fool.
Anyway I have popped in a link and if you have the time I would go and have a look. Hopefully it answers your question better than any of us can. |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:35 am |
Here's an old thread (2007) that was started on that stem cell therapy subject. Specifically AAPE (Advanced Adipose-derived Protein Extracts)
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=25619 |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:10 pm |
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Sorry I'm not sure what the deal is. I was just trying to say that these Doctors probably all know each other and might have even gotten some ideas/brainstormed from one other. The only reason I looked into Dr. Nathan Newman was the pictures and thought I might go see him since I thought he might be local but when I checked under find physicians I did not see his name. While continuing on the website I went to the TIA link and saw the write up on Reluma and read though the comments. Sorry if you are taking this the wrong way. Maybe my words seem different to you then they do to me. I might be interested in this product so I thought I would look into. |
Not at all Cookie,
I find any and all information posted of interest.
I was not directing how "that" was so easily dismissed at you, just that I find it a little disturbing.
Sorry if it came across as otherwise!
Sincere apologies!  |
Sincere apologies form me also if I took it the wrong way. This product does seem interesting and I do hope it works for both you and Tiny and anyone else who uses it. I will keep an eye on this thread. Good luck with it. |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:35 pm |
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Hopefully I will find mine before my face heads to much further south. |
LOL. I am right there with you on hoping to find "my" product! Maybe if we find it for the face, we can slather it on the body. That also is heading south for me!  |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:58 pm |
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| CookieD wrote: |
Hopefully I will find mine before my face heads to much further south. |
LOL. I am right there with you on hoping to find "my" product! Maybe if we find it for the face, we can slather it on the body. That also is heading south for me! |
I would love to find something for the body but at these kind of prices I'd be broke.  |
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:04 pm |
| CookieD wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| CookieD wrote: |
Hopefully I will find mine before my face heads to much further south. |
LOL. I am right there with you on hoping to find "my" product! Maybe if we find it for the face, we can slather it on the body. That also is heading south for me! |
I would love to find something for the body but at these kind of prices I'd be broke. |
Ditto!!! |
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