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Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:59 pm  |
I'm very sorry to hear this Hasnaa. Especially as I read in the thread where Parricia had told people that they weren't getting results because they needed to turn their devices up stronger. There was so much confusion over how to use them, because Neurotris themselves don't seem to know how they should be used. This is very disconcerting, and I can only imagine how horrifying this incident must have been for you and your loved ones. I hope that you make a full and total recovery, with no lasting repercussions.
All the talk of migraines, insomnia and tinnitus were certainly indicative that using an electrical current right near your brain can obviously have powerful effects. Regular salon microcurrent devices use a very low current, and anyone can explain the current in simple terms. What was always worrying was that nobody seemed to actually know what P1 or P2 even is. Just marketing speak about one building collagen and fixing wrinkles or something, and the other one giving you a facelift (I can't really remember exactly, but that was the general idea).
When I spoke to Patricia, I was shocked that I could find out absolutely nothing regarding how the device worked. She honestly didn't seem to know. I started to think this is a cheap device manufactured in China, not something they manufacture themselves. Obviously you would know everything about a device you created yourself.
When you look at other such devices used near the face/brain such as the safetox, you can find proper controlled studies and always on the ball customer service that could tell you anything and everything you needed to know. Safety is of course a huge concern when working with electricity near the brain.
I really hope others will see a bit of sense finally that this may not be the place to be throwing your money. ASG is just going to drain your wallet, but this could kill you. |
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Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:45 pm |
Yep, I've gotten a bit of a headache from Pico, too. No migraine, but I attribute it to Pico. And insomnia from using it in the evening (which is why I now use it in the a.m. only).
Hasnaa, please know I asked those questions not to trivialize what happened to you but to help identify any other causative factors in what happened to you. When I get an apparent negative consequence from something I'm trying (supplement, skin care gadget, etc.), I try to holistically look at everything that might be contributing to cause it. Sometimes very minor tweaking of a routine or procedure can eliminate all bad side effects. Thinking about all the possibilities can also help you realize whether or not you should ever do something like microcurrent again.
In the manual for every gadget I've ever bought there is a list of contraindications. This is true of Pico, BI, Reaura, and Merbe (my most recent acquisitions). It is incumbent upon the consumer to look out for those, or ultimately we can all be judged by our governments as incompetent to have access to these devices. No one asked me if I'd ever had epilepsy when I bought my BI, for example, or if I had melasma when I bought my Reaura.
That said, things sometimes just happen, and Hasnaa, again, please know I'm sorry for what happened to you. It sounds terrible. I hope the best for you. |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:24 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Hasnaa wrote: |
| Be carefully with the pico. Last week I raised it to 45 used 20min twice, had huge non stop migraines for 48 hours, nothing worked for it. Then 3rd day at night I had a seizure. I never had any problems of this kind before. My husband n mother in low who has heart problems thought I was gonna die so called 911. I ended up at the emergency. I'm glad I have insurance. long story short. Be carefully raising the intensity. |
I had the same experience - when I raised the intensity to 45 (using at night) I woke up in the morning with a migraine. I've now decreased back down to 30.
I also have another concern which I've mentioned before. With the Pico, I can't "see" the current before my eyes. "Seeing" the current is a well documented phenomenon (if that's the word) for microcurrent and means that the machine is performing correctly. I have it with my other two mc machines. I do not get this sensation with the Pico and it worries me a little. |
Hi Keliu,
I can "see" the current from the Pico..?? Can you feel it in different parts of your face? |
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Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:06 am |
I get little flashing lights with both BI and Pico when I work around the eyes, especially the bridge and side of nose area. I've also read about them. I don't think they're any bigger deal than a "haze". Also the difference could merely be a matter of semantics...we may be using different words to describe the exact same phenomenon we just don't know it.
So, to rephrase, maybe you could try the ionic spray with Pico to see if it reproduces the haze you see with other microcurrent. |
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:16 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Where did Hasnaa go?
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Or Toby? |
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:10 pm |
or PQ?   |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:19 am |
I fourth that.
PQ, Toby we miss you!!!!!
We should start a Comeback PQ and Toby thread   |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:48 am |
| Just to say I adore PQ, and messaged him before the whole fiasco business took place on the thread, and he was going through personal challenging times (his poor partner was involved in an accident) so I don't think (and pray he's not) gone forever, but just has other priorities on his mind. |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:33 am |
Ditto. Except, I don't like it when people scare others away from a very viable alternative to invasive procedures due to preconceived notions.  |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:01 am |
| aprile wrote: |
| Ditto. Except, I don't like it when people scare others away from a very viable alternative to invasive procedures due to preconceived notions. |
I'm not scaring people from microcurrent I'm scarring them from raising intensity of the PICO toner, go back to my posts n c if I said anything about microcurrent in general
Again I'm going t say it once more for people to b cautious. For those who don't know I raised the pico's intensity based on the company's recommendation and it caused me a seizure. And no I don't drink smoke or use drugs.
Now I have more important things to do. Thank u |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:56 am |
| Personal opinion: I think it would be wrong for someone to have a problem with a device/product/treatment that is being discussed on the forum and not say anything about it. Most of us here are adults and we will use the information as we see fit. I find a balanced discussion far more credible than the threads that are nothing but raves. To all of you, thanks for sharing. |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:40 pm |
| 10Sylvia5 wrote: |
I fourth that.
PQ, Toby we miss you!!!!!
We should start a Comeback PQ and Toby thread |
I will!!!!!
It has been disclosed that there are scare tactics being posted about the Pico so I am sadly dubious about some of this.
All of it really makes me sad.
There are things I know: Toby and PQ have never taken money for reviews. I happen to know Toby posted about the Pico (she bought it and paid full price) because it worked so well for her in comparison to the Beautiful Image which costed a boatload more.... She was trying to help those of us who wanted a microcurrent - myself included. She was so excited by the results of this lower priced system.
Toby let Pico know about her results and they were impressed like all of us. She did not sell or use EDS people to make money. She valued the comraderie and the connection here so much and is not the type to abuse that.
Neurotris is a new (small) company and wasn't even set up for on-line payment until recently if any of you remember. Not a sophisticated operation.
Toby posted several times a week on the Pico thread- she wasn't posting numerous times all day long as a poster kept suggesting.
Very recently (a week ago) Toby purchased a big machine from Pico (like her BI machine) and she would've told us all about it but everything blew up. That is her affiliation and I use the term loosely.
Thanks to anyone who listens.
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:55 pm |
I truly believe that Toby has been honest with us about her experiences with all the products that she has been using including the PICO.
It wasn't but a little more than a month or so ago, when we were waiting for Neurotis to offer EDS members a discount, she was in there trying to talk them into it.
Many of her personal friends bought a PICO on her advice. I just don't believe she could have misrepresented herself so thoroughly to so many of us AND her personal friends.
If she was offered some sort of compensation, she was probably offered a discount on a professional machine because she had ALREADY shared her views so openly on the forum AND had motivated members to buy a PICO. We bought one because we knew her and held her in such high esteem.
I'd like to see us give her a break much like I'd like to have if I mess up.
Mary |
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Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:24 pm |
Here's how I see it:
It is totally ok to post an opinion or experience about devices or products.
It is totally not ok to post opinions on people's character, or to make snide comments on what might be the cause for someone's lack of progress.
I'm reading this thread to learn about pico. period. |
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Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:44 pm |
| Wow I am a little late hopping aboard the Pico thread. I looked at the forums a few weeks ago and started reading about the Pico. I guess I missed all the drama though thank goodness. I am not sure what all happened but whatever Toby says I believe. She was one person here that I could just relate to on EDS. I don't care if she got a percentage or a kick back or whatever if it is a good product and she is promoting it because she really believes in it then whats the big deal? Toby come back I love your posts! So, I have been waiting for NCN's machine. It was going to be my Bday gift to myself when it came out. I was so disappointed to hear it wasn't happening. So, I got the Pico. The office is close to my house so I went down and met Patricia. She showed me the treatment room with the professional device also. I am going to go in for some professional treatments along with my home use. Patricia is a nurse and she was great. Now, I just got it and I haven't had a chance to use it! So, I will report back. Carol |
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:38 am |
Keliu, please stop insulting anyone who does not share your views on ASG or other "energetics". Why can you not accept that some people like it, and leave it alone? It's not your job to save us poor morons from ourselves. I am *NOT* a "naďve consumer".
My jury is still out on ASG, BTW. I don't know what I think about it yet. But I do have experience with energized minerals, and I find your constant insinuation that I'm an idiot for believing in such a bit annoying.
I like you. Been reading your posts for years. You frequently inject skepticism where it might be needed. But sometimes you don't know when to quit.
Edited to add: It's not the skepticism I object to, it's the constant insinuation that I'm stupid for buying it. I'd be fine with your mindset if it wasn't for the oblique insults. |
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:10 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
| catski wrote: |
| Anyone attempting to treat EDS members as naive consumers of anything, including malicious rumours, is on a road to nowhere. |
Then how do you explain EDS members being such avid consumers and promoters of ASG? |
Keliu. Surely you have heard of people benefiting from homeopathy and others poo - pooing the possibility?
Surely you have heard some people being treated very succesfully by acupuncture, and others saying 'it does nothing for me' and not really believing in it?
You dont believe ASG works. That's your perogative : your logic tells you that people here who seem articulate, helpful, funny, kind and very alert, are delusional in one area.. and you choose to believe this rather than wonder wether you are resistant to ASG as you are resistant to microcurrent, and that ASG is too radical to fit your current known or accepted paradigms.
Wether you choose to be respectful and open minded or cycnical and accusatory is up to you. I dont have to explain anything. We all respond according to our temperament. Some are receptive and sensitive, some are armoured and resistant, and then there are all the degrees in between. |
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:06 pm |
| Well it hasn't done too much for Grandpa Green's youthful countenance - nor his hair growth! |
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:30 pm |
| Hi Kassy, and yes you have the ingredients exactly. |
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:33 pm |
| Hi Kassy Here it is water,sodium chloride,preservative,humectant,reverse osmosis water and FD&C Color. I am at a family reunion and I brought it with me. I still haven't used it though. I want to take the time and make sure I am doing it right. I wish Christine Byer would comment-she is so knowledgable about microcurrent. Maybe we scared her off also! |
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:27 pm |
| It's clear Kassy. |
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Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:46 pm |
For the DIY'ers, I'd encourage you to make your own. Try this;
Eazy Peazy Conductive Spray
• Water 85%
• Sodium Chloride (table salt) 10% (standard in my experience with both TENS & Ultrasound)
• Preservative 1% (optiphen is terrific in anything water based)
• Humectant 4% (vegetable glycerin)
• Reverse Osmosis (RO) (don't run out to buy a filtration system, simply use distilled water
• FD&C Color (no need.. but y'all already know that)
That should cost you about $4./gallon (and you'll have enough glycerin to make 25 more gallons...lol
*Lord have mercy... I need to go into business*  |
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:14 pm |
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| Just to be difficult yet again. I still don't know why we need the spray. The silver in the gloves and water should adequately conduct the current. |
I love you when you're difficult  ....You challenge the status quo... |
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:44 pm |
@all those experiencing a variety of colors in their product.. (clear, green, blue etc)
If I were you, I'd be on the phone to "Neurotris", and demaning they come up with a story to appease you... Or at the very least let them know the jig is up...
They are clearly -to me anyway-, buying generic electrolyte product in bulk, and repackaging it in their made to order bottles. (After they *see* my DIY post, just imagine the profit they could be realizing..lol) |
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♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:02 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
For those who can't afford the Pico, check out this device manufactured in the UK by Rio.
http://www.win-health.com/actinic/acatalog/Rio-Hand-Rejuvenation-Galvanic-Gloves-GVGL_galvanicgloves.html
Whilst it says it's for treating the hands, if you wear plastic inserts it should work the same way.
I'm currently in Hong Kong and the array of beauty gadgets is staggering. I'd buy something if I didn't already own them all!
This looks good though and just look at the price. Still feel the Pico is overpriced for what it is. |
Keliu - Although this device is a lot cheaper, it is not made to use on the face...it is for the hands. So recommending this for those who can't afford the Pico is just ridiculous. Not only that, the gloves are made of cotton and contain spandex and do not contain silver threads for conductivity. They are selling the device as a galvanic treatment not a microcurrent device for the hands. It doesn't really matter if you feel the Pico is worth it or even working for you, but what DOES matter is that you are touting another product as viable alternative when it's anything but. And YES Kassy - FTIW the gloves really do contain silver threads. The reason why the ionic spray is important is so that the conductivity is equally dispersed in between the threads. The device will still work without the ionic spray, but just not as effectively. The company has a special chemist who creates the spray for them; they don't just buy in bulk from any old place. Although you may know a thing or two about DIY serums, etc., you aren't an expert on the technology of this device. Too bad Philip isn't posting right now, because HE does understand it and is an expert on all devices!! So in essence for you to come on and to offer to create a DIY spray option for us to use could very well put our warranty in jeopardy. I don't think most of us are willing to throw $600 down the drain to save a few bucks. That's my take...  |
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