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Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:04 am  |
Panos. What do you make of all the people who have used ozonated water to oxygenate their blood and reversed many many health problems?
Ozonating water is an alternative method to hydrogen peroxide protocol, a well known cancer cure, in fact touted as "the cure for all diseases", since disease cannot flourish in well oxygenated blood. This is why TB is cured with oxygen therapy in germany, for example.
How do you suggest a person get more oxygen into their bloodstream and cells?
I'm interested - please provide the data which has informed your reasoning to dismiss this well known tried and trusted protocol. I would like to read your data behind your refutation in order to make an informed decision of my own.
Personally, hydrogen peroxide therapy and ozonated water has improved my health considerably. I began it experimentally and was surprised at the effects.
If it is, after all, a lot of coincidence then I would love to know.
Have you tried ozonated water substantially, yourself? How did that go for you?
Why do you think it is such a key part of the Becks Protocol cancer treatment?
Btw panos, I asked you in an alternative thread if you would explain what caused you to retract your thesis that iodine helps scars? You called yourself a fool for the way you used iodine and
I'd love to know your revised opinion. |
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:46 pm |
Hi Ottawa shopper. I have had the same wretched problem. I found the pain extremely distracting and upsetting. I happened to mention it to my neurologist who was treating my migraines with Botox, and he said he could take care of it, and popped a bit of the botox into my masseters. Lo and behold, the pain died down to a whisper and disappeared. It seems I clench my jaw at night. I had done all the tmj stuff, mouth guards and acupuncture, and anything else I could think of even craniosacraltherapy (where someone lightly touched my head for an hour to influence the flow of my spinal fluid  - or lightly lift $200 from my wallet) to no avail. But Botox into that masseter, and it wasn't even a large amount has taken me from hell to the land of the living again. If I forget to go for Botox for ages, it will begin to creep back slightly, but nothing like before. I hope this is helpful. You can spend a LOT of money trying to get help for this. If your muscles are inflamed, there can be swelling, redness, heat, PAIN, and nothing else will show on X-rays (although I have severe tmj too with slipped discs).
I hope this helps and gives you something to try. It needn't be a huge treatment to begin. Even 10 units each side may help weaken the hyperactivity. And it's natural, too! No chemical Panos!  |
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Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:10 pm |
Obviously you do your best to source the cause of the problem. Why would my neurologist give me botox on a whim? Also, imagining strong systemic medicines such as neurontin would be a first line before trying a localized tiny injection that actually does deal directly with the area in need rather than affecting your entire central nervous system is somewhat counter intuitive to me, but many people do not have a very good understanding of what Botox is, and the amazing breakthrough it has been for many medical conditions. In fact, many patients before Botox had become thoroughly unable to function on cocktails of meds like neurontin before Botox was discovered and enabled them to go medicine free.
However I don't expect everyone to know that. The kinds of meds I was using also were fairly strong and incapacitating before Botox in my jaw which has eliminated the pain enough for me to take no medication for it. And as I said it is a small dose with no side effects (very much unlike the medications like neurontin, please feel free to look that one up for the long list).
Jaw grinding or clenching is sometimes just an automatic thing that people do in their sleep. You can try acupuncture, relaxation techniques and spend thousands of dollars blaming yourself. even though I was not stressed (apart deom the pain) you havent got much to go on.
It may be related to neck injuries and busted discs I have, RA, or the fact that I have advanced TMJ with no discs to protect my mandible from rubbing (bone on bone). Either way I have muscle spasms in my jaw which can produce tightness and swelling which in turn put pressure on nerves and can be excruciating. Turning off the muscle hyperactivity whatever the reason it is there (which is what neurontin will do also, and many docs will push drugs first, and I have tried a lot - but the kind that deal with this kind of thing are not easily tolerated by all, and why put something through your whole system?) will many times relieve the pain. That's why my neurologist tried it on me. I recommend it far and above any drug, and I have tried the muscle relaxants and antidepressant with some pain relieving effects like neurontin with all intendent impact on quality of life.
I shared this info having gone through years of similar pain myself. Who knows, someone may be fast tracked to help! I spent thousands on mouth guards and all of the typical medical industry first line treatment. This worked for me and was the least invasive. |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:42 am |
Ok. I see your derm has been treating large acne cysts with cortisone. Those large infections will indeed cause all that jaw inflammation and pain Ottawa. I am wondering why you are saying your doctors don't know the cause of your pain. Cysts large enough to require cortisone would be extremely painful! Unfortunately cortisone can leave huge divots in the skin if too much cortisone is used. I looked like I had been shot in the upper back with a shotgun after I was treated for pain. Thankfully over a few years the thinned muscle tissue and skin grew back almost the same, so hopefully your jaw indent will recover.
I would work with your derm and follow his/her recommendations to her your acne cleared. It is a strange condition, but there is help |
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