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[ Moderator ~ Hi All, We've updated the topic title of this thread to better fit the evolving discussion of "Energy-Based Skin Care - what I like" to the more expansive "Holistic Health & Beauty -- let's share what works". The goal is to create a supportive space for like-minded members interested in holistic health and beauty to share knowledge and personal experiences of what's working for them. ]
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Energy based skincare is an extremely controversial subject right now. I, for one have recently started using the Pico Toner and ASG at the same time and it has transformed my skin in less than a month. It has been such an improvement, that I want to know more about other energy based products, gadgets and practices. For me, this will be the anti-aging path that I will follow from now on. Unfortunately, the topic is so controversial that EDS has had to close down every thread that has been started on the topic. The arguments have gotten too ugly to maintain a thread on the topic. I want to know more, and have considered leaving EDS. Before I leave my favorite source of information, I would like to make a last ditch effort. I will create two threads on the topic.
Energy Based Skincare - why I like it
Energy Based Skincare - why I don't like it
Those who don't like it, post on the don't like it thread. Those that do, post on the do like it thread. Anyone who posts on the wrong thread will officially be posting off topic.
I do understand both sides. Those that don't like it are concerned that people will be misinformed, and simply want to make sure everyone understands the science (or lack thereof). The ones who don't like it believe it is all 100% quackery. To those, I say, you now have your own thread to post all of your opinions. Those who do like it, don't care as much about the science and only care about the results. To those people, myself included, you now have your own thread to post results and tips to others who also like it without fear of feeling attacked. I will include a link to the other thread on both, to make sure anyone reading it can easily access both sides of the topic.
Energy based skincare includes any method or combination of methods that that uses energy for skincare purposes. This includes micro-current, ASG, Osmosis water, Ultrasonic, galvanic, Tua Trend, Magnetic Water, and ionized water, just to name a few.
I am doing this simply because I come to EDS for informational purposes and am have a difficult time getting it because of all the arguing. I hope we can agree to disagree and leave our opinions only on the appropriate threads.
Thank you,
Tonia |
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:03 pm |
To my way of thinking, it's not a brilliant idea to lump all electrical gadgets together in one thread. Are you also including in "Energy Based Skincare" professional IPL, RF or Laser treatments?
I'm a gadget queen and have tried just about everything on the market - I'm not against electrical devices, but some I like, some I don't. Some electrical devices have clinical evidence behind them, some don't.
As for the "energising" of water - there are now so many methods of doing this. Water can be placed in coloured bottles and placed in the sun. You can purchase water bottles, flasks and goblets to "energise" water. There are vortex machines, machines with magnets etc. etc. You can even pray over your water to "energise" it. How do you even start to compare this sort of thing to an electrical gadget.
So my main comment is this - electricity is a quantifiable thing. However, at this point in time, there is absolutely no scientific evidence that water can be "energised". And if we were to discuss "energising" water through prayer - well that is a matter of faith.
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:56 pm |
| Tonia wrote: |
| I don't know what is included in this category because the arguing has prevented those interested from being able to discuss it. The purpose of this thread is for those interested to discuss what contributes to energizing the skin and what doesn't. |
Anything that brings oxygen enriched blood to the skin, and/or increases the turnover of dead surface cells, will "energize" the skin and it's foundation, just the way nature intends it. Rev up that process, and your skin will tell you just how that's working for ya.
Topically, the best things we can use to reach the goal of a healthy, glowing skin is to feed it what it will thrive and flourish with. And yes, "energize" it to function just like when we were young(er).
Amino Acids
Peptides
Antioxidants
Fatty Acids
I must tell you that I don't believe in energized water products, but even if I did, you can spray yourself with it until doomsday, and it won't (can't) penetrate the epidermis.. The best you can hope for, is a temporary swelling of the dead surface cells on the stratum corneum. And why anybody would want to keep the dead stuff intact, well, I just dunno.. 
Gadgets are terrific "energizers" for the skin, with red diode LED's being at the tip top of the list.. Tons of studies are available, with "NASA's" probably being the most in depth. Heck, even macular degeneration is being treated with success with LED's. Now that's energizing!  |
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:13 am |
ok, i don't have time to proof this or make it easier to read....but
i love vitamin 'O' products because i experience the increased well-being and energy both from taking them intrnally and applying them to my skin.
vitamin 'O' is what is referred to as stabilized oxygen
i use one from Family Health News externally on my face and body called Dynamo
familyhealthnews.com... take a look at their site (i am not affliliated in any way) they have all kinds of oxygen products and generously will take time to answer questions.
They have 2 products they say are eqivalent to cellfood but less expensive. one is called Vital O the other is called Oxylift. my DH uses Oxylift internally. (I can not use any product with citric acid which stops me from using most products which contain amino acids & minerals in addition to the 'stabilized oxygen' soi get these nutrients from other sources.
another source of stabilized oxygen or vitamin 0 is a product from Healthforce callled Oxygen Supreme 11(this company has created Vitamineral Green... which i know some use very happily on EDS)
Healthforce products are also the most vital/energizing/oxygenating of the green products that i have encountered..they are also 'energized' as well as being energy stimulating foods themselves (spirulina, chlorella, whest grass juice, etc)
i do have an afflilation with Healthforce products though.. in that depending on my circumstance & time committment... i sell them... very very infrequently..but nonetheless I am registered with them as a distributor.
At any rate when i am in the USA i use their oxygen supreme 11 product internally ...it comes in glass so i don't take it with when i am living in india.. there i use the Dynamo product from Family Health News internally as well as externally cause it comes in plastic and is very concentrated.
anyway i think anyone sensitive to energy who took Oxygen Supreme 11 in water first thing in the morning would feel the difference immediately.
and
just to clarify..on the last pico thread..which was locked..so i couldn't respond..i spoke about vitamin O..and also about 3% food grade H2O2..(not the pharmaceutical grade which is the kind sold at the drugstore)..since i thougt that H202 might be more familiar to people than stabized oxygen...
i was told by an EDS'er that in additiona to my stating that it is only 3% H2O2 that should be used externally on the skin..it was essential to let people know that more than 3% is extremely dangerous as it can'burn' and permenently and seriously damage skin...even 3% may be too harsh for some people but it will do no perment harm
taken internally....because H202 is oxygenating but often upsetting to the stomach..stabized oxygen products like dynamo, oxylift, cellfood, oxygen supreme 11 were developed because they do not cause the same upset in the stomach as H202 can.
WARNING..H202 can not be taken internally 'straight'..the very very most it can be taken internally is 1 tbl per liter of water..and that is after s.l.o.w.l.y adjusting to it bit by bit... and i do not advise anyone to even try taking much less than that... unless you have absolutley deeply studied about H2O2 on your own...of course there is much controversy about taking it internally at all...but i do take it PERSONALLY when i am in india and run of of stabilized oxygen...and do fine with it (after years of studying about it) |
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:30 pm |
Tonia,
I add 1 cup to a bath. No, it's not drying at all. The water becomes alittle bubbly and refreshing. I've read on various websites that bathing in 35% H2O2 is used often for people with cancer or other serious chronic illnesses.
It is a superb way to get oxygen into the body, as one has all of the skin surface to absorb it.
I use the bath as a place to detox.
When I use the H2O2, I usually add Epsom salts and baking soda as well. This provides a great
detox environment, especially if the water is hot enough that you will sweat.
If I'm doing a clay bath,I'll add H2O2 and some magnesium oil to get magnesium in through the skin. Targeted essential oils make it an aromatic delight as well as a way to target whatever you want......relaxation, immune system support,lymph drainage, etc. |
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:48 pm |
so...food grade H2O2 is available at 3% and 8% as well as 35%. i also purchase the 35% and dilute it to 3% at a ratio of 1 part H2O2 to 11 parts H20.
a problem with purchasing the 35% and dluting it to 3% yourself is that if you have a powerfully active solution of 35% H2O2..even opening the bottle can 'burn' your hand.. the skin on your hand will become white colored and it will sting a lot..ouch!...and even though the pain doesn't last long...it is quite an unpleasant experience ..SO I ALWAYS USE PLASTIC GLOVES WHEN DILUTING MY 35% H202 TO 3%.
in order to have a powerfully active bottle of H2O2 make sure you purchase only from a store or online site that refrigerates their H2O2..otherwise it will have degraded by the time you receive it..and unless you refrigerate the product at home it will do the same..and continue to degrade as long as it is kept unrefrigerated |
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:34 pm |
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| mariposa wrote: |
Tonia,
I add 1 cup to a bath. No, it's not drying at all. The water becomes alittle bubbly and refreshing. I've read on various websites that bathing in 35% H2O2 is used often for people with cancer or other serious chronic illnesses.
It is a superb way to get oxygen into the body, as one has all of the skin surface to absorb it.
I use the bath as a place to detox.
When I use the H2O2, I usually add Epsom salts and baking soda as well. This provides a great
detox environment, especially if the water is hot enough that you will sweat.
If I'm doing a clay bath,I'll add H2O2 and some magnesium oil to get magnesium in through the skin. Targeted essential oils make it an aromatic delight as well as a way to target whatever you want......relaxation, immune system support,lymph drainage, etc. |
Hi Mariposa,
Im very inerested in this product you speak about. I too take Epsom salts/baking soda baths. Very healthy! In fact both are used in anti-cancer strategies. Arm & Hammer is fine too because it doesn't contain aluminum as some previously thought. The company used to have a list of uses on the side of the box, but not anymore. When you take it orally in water, it really helps for indigestion. I believe that's because it changes the body to a more alkaline state. More oxygen to the cells is uber healthy as well... most of us are deficient.
Anyway, do you have a like to the product you are talking about?
Thank you Tonia and thank all of you for posting about energy here! I recently purchased a NASA approved alkaline carafe online as well as magnets. I see a difference in my skin fullness using both of these. I believe it's because the water becomes *wetter* and drinking it is really manifesting a difference in my skin. They also increase minerals in the water. Anyway I am feeling better and my results with Pico are better as well. I believe it's because I have those constant ups and downs with my magnesium levels. And as KASSY pointed out, deficiency makes a huge difference in terms of building ATP in the body...which is what we need for results with microcurrent. And ummm no shilling here.
Best,
Aprile  |
APrile,
I buy my H2O2 from a guy in town who sells it by the gallon. There are online sources but they are quite expensive and not always trustworthy in terms of freshness. You might ask in a pool store or a hot tub store if they know where you can buy it by the gallon.
I get my epsom salts in bulk here (very clean):
www.saltworks.us
50 lbs. for $42.99 and free shipping.
I also get baking soda in 50 lb. bags:
http://vitusaproducts.com/globe/products2.shtml
H2O2 will last indefinitely and does not need to be refrigerated. Just keep it in a dark cool place. It will lose about 10% of its strength per year. |
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:15 pm |
Keliu,
Aprile used the word treatment, not research.
There is a big difference.
Does anyone ever wonder why, after 50 plus years of cancer research, and many many billions of dollars going toward that research, no cure has been found?
I think that is a reasonable question to ponder.
It is a fact that other countries,- Canada, Mexico, Germany, and Switzerland, to name a few,- have cancer treatments that actually heal cancers. Here in the US,those cancers have a 1%
survival rate.
Case in point, my brother, who has stage 4 colon cancer with metastases to the liver and lymph nodes. He has done treatments in Germany and Canada (treatments that are illegal in this country). Another good question to ponder would be why these treatments that are effective in eradicating cancer are illegal in this country. The answer might be that cancer is the most profitable business in this country, bar none!
It doesn't make sense to find a cure for something that is so profitable, does it?!
I have done an inordinate amount of cancer research to help save my brother. There are cancer treatments that really do work to bring a stage 4 cancer victim back to full health. My brother is on that road, working 40 hour weeks, and feeling very good.
The treatments he has been doing have a track record of 80 to 90% survival, as compared to the less than 5% survival rate with traditional chemo in this country. This is a verifiable fact.
Unfortunately, it's a fact that our FDA, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies try very hard to keep hidden from the public. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:49 am |
Angela and others.... here are the beginning paragraphs of an article i just researched last week regarding oxidation, H2O2 and free radicals...which supports H2O2's medical ant-aging potential even though it has free radical status...AND ALSO supports a newer theory that high levels of oxidation can slow down the aging process.
"A major blow to the free radical theory of aging, which has lead the research in aging for more than 50 years and fuels a multimillionaire anti-aging industry has just been published by Portuguese scientists from the University of Minho.
According to the theory, free radicals provoke oxidative damage and this is the cause of aging. The new work, however, shows that not only is possible to slow down aging in cells with high levels of oxidation but more, that a free radical (H2O2) is behind the high longevity seen with low caloric diets (a well known method to increase lifespan) turning upside down the way we see anti-aging therapy and research with major implications for the field.
But the results, now published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences(1), will also affect the study of phenomena as diverse as inflammation, Alzheimer’s disease or cell survival, all processes where free radicals are known to have a role"
so...i think this article may be from 2010...don't remember right now for sure...will provide link info later when i can. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:39 am |
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Does anyone know the difference in ozonated water and oxygenated water? Are they the same? I know that adding cell food or vital O has the benefit of the minerals that are included. Aside from that, what is the difference in the oxygen component between ozonating by machine and oxygenating by adding stabilized oxygen?
I looked at this ozonator last night and couldn't figure out which was better, ozonating, or oxygenating with vital O. Any thoughts on this?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001IYQ1LY |
Ozone is a version of oxygen. Oxygen in the air we breathe is two molecules of oxygen attached together, or O2. Ozone is an ‘activated’ form of oxygen where there are three atoms of oxygen attached together, forming a molecule that is “O3”. Ozone (O3) behaves completely differently than O2. Ozone is far more energetic and oxidative than Oxygen, which is what makes it so valuable to us for so many applications, such as air purification, water purification, and medical ozone therapy applications. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:43 pm |
| Tonia wrote: |
| Mariposa, I have been researching ozone water. Thank you for telling us about it. How much do you drink in a day? It seems that you would need to start off slowly but I'm not finding that anywhere. |
I drink between 1 and 2 quarts a day. You're right. It's wise to start slowly when introducing ozone into the body, since it is detoxifying. Reactions from detoxifying too quickly can be very unpleasant. Parasites - bacteria, viruses, fungi etc. are mostly anaerobic, so when oxygen is introduced, they die. Their death and all the poisons they emit when dying make us feel really bad, till it all gets out of the body. So go slowly in the beginning.
With my ozone generator it takes 10 minutes to ozonate 500 mls. You should be able to smell and taste the ozone in the water, when it is sufficiently ozonated. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:57 pm |
Tonia and others:
OK I am an ozone addict!!!
My DH's vocation is environmental consultant/sales..and he has been carrying ozone air purification devices since 1993 because of his own deep research and personal experience with these devices (he's very intuitive & heart-orientd as well as very mentally intense)
because i also research everything ultra-intensely, when he first became attracted to these devices, i didn't feel complete yet with my own research regarding ozone safety. i didn't understand anything 'real' about the nature of ozone and i was being both overly mental and fear based about my research so i didn't feel comfortable with him using his ozone purification devices in any room other than his own office space.
but a month or so later he was asked by our holistic dentist to participate in an IAOMT (intenational academy of oral medicine and toxicology)conference as the only commercial participant because she also was very much engaged in the befits of ozone.
so i went with him to help him in his booth with great trepidation...really afraid to be around so much ozone (he had a lot of air purification devices and i was being surrounded by them)..
...after about 5 minutes of this ozone 'onslsaught' i began to feel 'OMG I can Breathe..i feel alive ' it was truly amazing to me
(not everyone of course has the same reaction..ozone can be detoxing..and depending on one's physical conditional..the appropriate amounts of acceptable ozone vary)
anyway i cannot imagine now having to live wthout the invigoration of ozone devices near me. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:50 pm |
Just wanted also to point out that there are respected and quite successful MDs practicing both conventional and biological medicine with an incredible success rate (one of the many modalities is ozone therapy) - for example, Dr. Rau in Switzerland.
I have heard about him from physicians here in USA, who refer their hopeless cases to him.
There are also unconventional approaches here in USA - Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez in NYC, whom I have read about 20 years ago or so; and had recently watched an interview with on Carol Alt show. Apparently his approach had finally gained enough traction that he had received an NIH grant to do "studies"/publish his results.
Just the same way you can not expect everything (or almost anything) posted on the internet to be credible, neither should one consider pubmed as a complete and total source of the information (it is quite useful for a basic information for a non-professional).
Physician have their own professional boards and sites that thy are using for information. And to be honest even if one had an access to that info it is mostly incomprehensible even to the MDs in other specialties, forget about layman.
Regarding water - there are many interesting points of view - enough people on anti-aging medical board touting benefits of alkanized water, while others do not. My own dad, with his Ph.D. in Physics and about 65 books in library of Congress, never drinks water that had been already boiled.
HTH |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:25 pm |
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| Given that, it makes sense that the media didn't mention the results of the Seralini study. The dietician was correct - GMOs are safe for consumption. |
Seriously, it really is time to wake up, do some serious research and reading, and notice what is happening to this world. For people to think GMO's are safe, is IMO, due to not having done much reading and looking at information. For example,
all the Indian farmers who have committed suicide after losing all their animals to death, after being forced to use GMO feed.
All the livestock that have died in Ireland and Germany after eating GMO grains.....no, it hasn't been proven, but the probability is pretty high.
The above are just a couple of examples out of many.
I wonder why 24 countries have banned GMO crops and more countries are following suit.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/gefood/countrieswithbans.cfm
http://www.gmo-free-regions.org/gmo-free-regions/bans.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_genetically_modified_organisms_in_the_European_Union
Are GMOs safe?
Most developed nations do not consider GMOs to be safe. In more than 60 countries around the world, including Australia, Japan, and all of the countries in the European Union, there are significant restrictions or outright bans on the production and sale of GMOs. In the U.S., the government has approved GMOs based on studies conducted by the same corporations that created them and profit from their sale. Increasingly, Americans are taking matters into their own hands and choosing to opt out of the GMO experiment. |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:12 pm |
Mariposa - I think Angela is simply pointing out that, in regard to cancer treatments, the premise that the USA is hundreds of years behind other countries, is denying people certain treatments or that there is a conspiracy to keep/make its citizens sick is inflammatory hyperbole. A cursory Google search revealed that Hyperthermia is available in the US and is a recognised treatment for cancer. http://www.cancercenter.com/treatments/hyperthermia/
It's also available in Australia, but there's a long waiting list - maybe this is the case in the US also.
I think it's important to note though, that the treatment is usually given along with chemo - so it is not a substitute for it. |
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Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:01 pm |
Thank you for your kind words, Aprile. About cancer treatments...again, I don't have an issue with 'alternate' treatments. I'd probably do the same thing myself if I had cancer. However, to say that cancer gets "healed" in other countries but it doesn't get "healed" here because the treatments aren't allowed is very inflammatory. There have been thousands of cancer patients here in the United States who have gone into "remission". There are many, many, many breast cancer survivors now. My stepdaughters' mom (my husband's first wife) is one of those survivors. I think she's six or seven years out if I remember correctly. (It might even be longer than that; I just don't remember how long it's been since they found her cancer.) So saying that our own treatments "don't make sense" is not telling the complete story and sound like a "phoney sales pitch" of sorts for alternate treatments.
One of my favorite, favorite, favorite charities is St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, who says:
Our unique mission ...
… to find cures for children with cancer and other life-threatening diseases through research and treatment. And no family ever pays St. Jude for anything.
http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=f87d4c2a71fca210VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD
St. Jude has proven and the results printed in the New England Journal of Medicine, a reputable source that doctor peer groups use to keep abreast of new treatments that:
Chemotherapy proves life-saving for some leukemia patients who fail induction therapy
http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=45d92988ffd96310VgnVCM100000290115acRCRD&vgnextchannel=a0afc9c154e14310VgnVCM100000290115acRCRD
So to say that our treatments here "don't make sense" is not telling the complete story. If you want to be believed, you have to give all the information, not just half the story.
Some cancer patients are finding that alternate treatments are helping and at times even putting their cancer into remission. (Anyone who has had cancer faces the possibility of cancer returning, regardless of the treatment he or she has received so the fact that this has happened to people has nothing to do with what treatments he or she have received.) Many cancer patients using traditional treatments here in the United States are also going into remission and surviving their cancer. That's the real story. |
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Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:02 pm |
| I am also terribly sorry for your loss Angela...its really difficult to know another person just by what they are posting on the internet... that's why i feel it's really important for us to honor each other as much as we can. |
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Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:16 pm |
| and mariposa...how wonderful your brother is now regenerating quickly |
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Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:15 pm |
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What is inflammatory hyperbole to one person is the truth to another person. It all boils down to what one chooses to believe.[u] |
I would like to think that truth is based on factual evidence. But I would point out that blind faith has been responsible for much of the misery inflicted on humankind throughout history - so people should be very careful about what they believe.
As for this link: http://www.cancertutor.com/war_evidence/ - the author of the article, R. Webster Kehr apparently does not believe in Einstein's Theory of Evolution and thinks "evolution is the most absurd theory in the history of science!!"
http://recursed.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/the-pseudoscience-constellation.html
I also see that the article is filed under "Conspiracy Theories". Actually this is what I find the most frustrating about your and Aprile's attitude towards medicine. You come from an "American perspective" - a belief that the FDA, the pharmaceutical industry and your government all have an agenda to keep you sick for profit. But these institutions do not effect other countries in the world - why is it that there is no global cure for cancer? Am I to believe that because there is no cure for cancer in Australia that it is because our government wants to keep us sick for profit? Hardly, we have a "free" health care system and sickness costs our society dearly.
Really, if there was a proven blanket cure for cancer it would be adopted and celebrated by the ENTIRE world.
ETA: I just wanted to add that it's not uncommon for people to have to travel to other countries for specialist treatments. Our current affairs TV shows here often feature sick children who need to travel to the US for treatments and people are asked to donate to help their parents out with the expense. Conversely, many under-privileged kids with dreadful facial deformities are brought here by charitable institutions for maxillofacial surgery. |
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Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:21 pm |
Keliu -
Suffice it to say that you must have strong faith in government, lobbyists groups, insurance companies and BIG PHARMA. You say: "Really, if there was a proven blanket cure for cancer it would be adopted and celebrated by the ENTIRE world." There is no proven *blanket cure*. Certain cancers call for certain protcols, although ALL humans need essential minerals and vitamins and many of us are severely lacking in these life giving nutrients. That's of course simplifying things because that's only part of the problem. IF there was a cure for cancer? There are many alternative cures Keliu. They are just not part of your belief system and that's where the story ends.
When those of us opposed to GMO's brought that subject up as one of the ways people get sick, many of you were put off by that. WHY? Monsanto is everywhere even in your own country. Yet, they have a long track record of crimes against humanity, which you choose to ignore. This is just a short list.. I'm certain there's more out there and we might be finding about them in the very near future. http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg66428.html Sadly, the government is in many ways complicit, allowing them to perpetuate these evil doings. Siding with Monsanto over farmers who own land next to their fields, preventing them from farming the only way they know how, is just one of the ways the government is complicit. Is it any wonder we who are on a mission to create vibrant health for ourselves and our families no longer trust? |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:09 am |
| Tonia wrote: |
I got the ozone machine last night. I tried it out this morning. It's not as low level as I thought. The manufacturer does recommend running the ozone air purifyer in an unoccupied room to avoid breathing pure ozone directly. The problem with breathing concentrated ozone is that it can irritate your nasal passages and lungs. I read on another site to make ozone water under the stove fan. Since it is extremely cold here, I did that. Fortunately, ozone has a smell, so you know if you are breathing it. I could only smell it when I smelled the water afterwards. I could not smell it in the air, nor did I experience any irritation of any sort. I ran the ozonator for 20 minutes in 2 cups of water. The instructions say for purified water to let the water sit for 20 minutes to allow the ozone to dissipate from the water. I wanted to drink ozone water, so I drank it immediately.
I love it! It's exhilarating. I bought this hoping to lower my caffeine intake with something healthy. I think this will do it. It feels much better than a cup of coffee. Coffee creates a tense kind of energy. There is no tension with this. I just feel alive/alert.
I debated on whether or not to post this. I am grateful to those who post their experiences despite the rude responses. Those comments are much more helpful to me than all the clinical studies in the world because even clinical studies contradict themselves. I'm not here looking for clinical studies. Anybody can find that with a simple internet search. I am here to find out what has worked for other people. |
Thank you for posting your experience. I agree with you about finding out what others' experiences are. The bottom line is that we want to support one another and be supported.
I love ozonated water too. It is so fresh. I read a forum where the moderator is an expert in a number of things, including ozone. I asked him a couple of days ago, (since we were all talking about ozone) how quickly one should drink the water. He said immediately. He said he drinks it as it is ozonating....not sure how this can be done. My machine doesn't allow me to do that.
But anyway, the quicker the better, because the ozone gas dissipates rapidly.
I hope it helps you lower your caffeine. |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:54 am |
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| I agree with you about finding out what others' experiences are. The bottom line is that we want to support one another and be supported. |
I could not agree more.
We all know how to do Google search, how to find pubmed and do not need assistance doing that, nor this forum to discuss these findings with people who are lacking professional qualifications to judge the validity of the articles and studies.
Finding out what else is there and what had worked and what could be achieved is really of interest.
Mariposa, is it possible to find out what ozone machine does this person recommends for water ozonation? I am also very interested in getting a unit to do that for health reasons, but not sure how it is possible (I do not have a vent over the stove at the moment, so would be tricky to find a room where to run the unit).
I also restarted using Pico, so would be very curious to know what people use with it instead of or in addition to their spray.
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:04 pm |
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Following is a promo of ASG posted by Bethany on another thread... people in the promo use ASG, so you please view n see what ASG can do for your face, IMO, NADA @ all! They all look haggard not to mention old...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIi5o-bYKNE |
If you see no difference, then don't use it, and let those that do like it, enjoy it. 😊 |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:50 pm |
Here is Jim Kaszyk, who Intellius.com says is 65 years old: (That's only 17 years older than I am.) Look at his wrinkles and sunken cheeks.
Now, either he uses ASG and still looks this bad OR he doesn't use something he's selling as "most incredible breakthrough in Anti-aging Skin Care" (quote taken directly from http://agelesssecret.com). In either case, he is a horrible "example" for what the product supposedly can do. |
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