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Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:47 pm  |
| Kelliu- Just for the future. Morrocan oil is much cheaper same brand etc. at Amazon. |
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Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:50 pm |
| platinumrose wrote: |
| Kelliu- Just for the future. Morrocan oil is much cheaper same brand etc. at Amazon. |
Platinumrose - I did actually purchase it on Ebay. It was $35.00 for 4.1oz bottle with free international shipping. |
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Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:56 pm |
When you say 'final rinse' with ACV do you mean you pour the ACV on and call it done? No more water?
And the mix with the Suave ocean breeze - is that what you mean too?
I have dry and sometimes unruly hair which I straighten about four times a year just to keep the frizzies in hand. Otherwise I'd have a bag over my head when the weather gets humid....  I love to try things that help keep my hair soft and under control. Especially in between straightenings.
Thanks. Sis |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:04 am |
| sister sweets wrote: |
When you say 'final rinse' with ACV do you mean you pour the ACV on and call it done? No more water?
And the mix with the Suave ocean breeze - is that what you mean too? |
When using ACV you can just add a small amount to a cup of warm water, pour it through hair, massage, then rinse it off. I think Dagnolia mixes the Suave ocean breeze with the ACV but then she says she uses white vinegar, which I don't understand because apple cider vinegar is a brown colour. |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:51 am |
| sister sweets wrote: |
When you say 'final rinse' with ACV do you mean you pour the ACV on and call it done? No more water?
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Bingo!  A final rinse means what it sounds like: no more water is used to rinse the rinse out. Otherwise it wouldn't be the final one 
Not everyone does it that way but this is the method that makes my hair its most shiny, silky and most rich in colour. Pour the diluted ACV though your hair and you're done.
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| And the mix with the Suave ocean breeze - is that what you mean too? |
Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean? You can add thing to any shampoo or conditioner I would imagine, like ACV or essential oils for example, but I prefer to do the vinegar separately because I get better results that way. Once you get into the swing of it (keeping vinegar in your bathroom and pouring it in something with water before you start washing your hair) it's quick and simple.
I hope that answered your question |
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Rudra
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Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:12 pm |
Hi Everyone,
I have been reading this specific thread from last couple of days, such a wealth of information and money savings too. But I'm lost
so please help !!!
My hair is messed up too, dry freeze , lost a lot of hair too and I think its mostly because of well water, right now I'm using well water shampoo - that is the name of shampoo but I would like to try out these different recipes I have read here , my questions are :
1. Suave conditioner mix with ACV and honey / molasses / maple syrup - How much quantity ? meaning if I buy suave conditioner empty out little how much of AVC and honey I would need to add.
2. Can I still do AVC rinse if I'M doing above step or is it too much
3. I only wash my hair twice a week so if I do # 1 step and or # 2 , do I need to use my anti freeze cream on hair or would that be unnecessary ?
Thanks again
| Fox wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
When you say 'final rinse' with ACV do you mean you pour the ACV on and call it done? No more water?
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Bingo! A final rinse means what it sounds like: no more water is used to rinse the rinse out. Otherwise it wouldn't be the final one
Not everyone does it that way but this is the method that makes my hair its most shiny, silky and most rich in colour. Pour the diluted ACV though your hair and you're done.
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| And the mix with the Suave ocean breeze - is that what you mean too? |
Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean? You can add thing to any shampoo or conditioner I would imagine, like ACV or essential oils for example, but I prefer to do the vinegar separately because I get better results that way. Once you get into the swing of it (keeping vinegar in your bathroom and pouring it in something with water before you start washing your hair) it's quick and simple.
I hope that answered your question |
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Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:53 pm |
| I have received the Moroccan Oil. I applied it last night before I did my blond highlights. I also massaged it through the hair after towel drying. It did not leave my hair greasy at all so I'm going to use it after every wash. I'm hoping it will stop my hair from looking so dry. |
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:06 am |
Fox,
I got so interested in this - where would I get molasses?
Never seen anything like that before. |
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:44 am |
This is a great thead!
I use the Moroccan Oil and I love it. My hair is the healthiest its ever been. The cheapest that I have found it is at CosmeticMagic dot com for $26.99. (No international shipping at this time however). The shipping is free for orders over $40 and $6 for orders less than that amount. Just thought I would share! |
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:09 am |
| Have never heard of such a thing as Moroccan oil - what does it consist of? |
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Rudra
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:22 am |
Hi Everyone,
I have been reading this specific thread from last couple of days, such a wealth of information and money savings too. But I'm lost
so please help !!!
My hair is messed up too, dry freeze , lost a lot of hair too and I think its mostly because of well water, right now I'm using well water shampoo - that is the name of shampoo but I would like to try out these different recipes I have read here , my questions are :
1. Suave conditioner mix with ACV and honey / molasses / maple syrup - How much quantity ? meaning if I buy suave conditioner empty out little how much of AVC and honey I would need to add.
2. Can I still do AVC rinse if I'M doing above step or is it too much
3. I only wash my hair twice a week so if I do # 1 step and or # 2 , do I need to use my anti freeze cream on hair or would that be unnecessary ?
Thanks again |
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:21 pm |
| sahmisme wrote: |
| I've discovered that I can't do the conditioner washing thing. My scalp is so oily, that within 2 days my head was disgusting. I have to wash with shampoo daily. Oh well! |
It's actually supposed to take about 6-8 weeks for your scalp to adjust to the conditioner washing. Once your scalp gets used to it, it stops producing so much oil. In fact, that's the trouble with washing with shampoo - because you're always stripping the hair, it produces more oil to compensate.
I've found my hair to be much less greasy since switching to conditioner washing - but I do still wash my hair everyday. |
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:46 pm |
| So then, if you wash your hair everyday, how do you know it's less greasy? I mean, you wash it everyday, in any case the hair would not become greasy the next day after washing... |
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Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:56 pm |
| I use magnesium gel mixed in with shampoo. My hair is shiny and has become heavier, not frizzy any more. |
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Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:07 am |
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| So then, if you wash your hair everyday, how do you know it's less greasy? I mean, you wash it everyday, in any case the hair would not become greasy the next day after washing... |
Well I live in a hot climate - right now its 36 degrees centigrade, 92 degrees humidity so if I don't wet my hair in the evening when I have a shower I don't feel fresh. But I'm not using shampoo, just conditioner. Also, I have baby fine hair that just goes limp and greasy in the heat but I find it stays looking better throughout the day by just using conditioner and not shampoo. |
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Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:00 am |
| So you wash hair with conditioner? Any kind of conditioner? How does that lather? |
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Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:39 am |
| zverenok wrote: |
| So you wash hair with conditioner? Any kind of conditioner? How does that lather? |
You want to use a conditioner with no silicones. Generally speaking, the cheaper, the better. I use the Suave Naturals Coconut.
And there is no lather - you apply the conditioner and gently scrub your scalp with the pads of your fingers. Conditioners generally have mild cleansing agents in them; that along with the friction from your fingertips gets your hair as clean as can be.
People with naturally wavy and curly hair will be amazed at the curl formation your hair will produce after awhile doing the Conditioner Washing. Regular use of shampoos breaks down the natural curl formation - my hair starting forming soft ringlets after a few weeks, amazing both myself and my family!!! |
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Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:46 am |
Here is some additional info. about conditioner washing from the Naturally Curly website. I highly recommend the 'Curly Girl' book that is referenced in the article if you have naturally curly or wavy hair.
INTRODUCTION TO CG:
"CG" is a CurlTalk abbreviation for "Curly Girl," a book written by Lorraine Massey and Deborah Chiel, which advocates embracing our natural hair. With this objective in mind, Massey describes a new and revolutionary routine to accomplish healthy, well-behaved waves, curls and coils.
Although the very best way to do this routine is AFTER reading the book, we understand that many people just can’t wait another day because their hair is begging for help, so in order to make this easier here’s the basic guidelines of the routine:
Ia. The first step is to either totally eliminate or seriously limit the use of shampoo to cleanse our hair and scalp, the second is to use a clear gel to help keep frizz out, and the third to handle the hair in a very gentle manner; the book included many pictures that illustrate how it’s done.
The premise for this is tri-fold: 1) the fact that most commercial shampoos contain surfactants that are too harsh for our hair and tend to rob our hair of moisture, 2) that our hair tends to be more porous than straight hair, which makes totally rinsing out all traces of shampoo virtually impossible and that residue causes frizz, 3) the fact that most conditioners (COs) contain mild surfactants that paired up with a little manual friction are more than able to lift off dirt, debris and excess oil from our scalp and hair.
It is necessary to eliminate the use of most silicones (‘cones for short) from our hair care routine because most can only be removed from the hair with rather harsh shampoos. Washing with a CO while using them would cause them to quickly build up on the hair and this results in dull, matted hair and poor curl definition.
Ib. Choosing a good CO for CG - here is what we should look for in the label:
Emollients - soften, smooth the hair and give it shine. There are hundreds of them, natural ones include all vegetable oils and nut butters, others more widely u sed are glycerides and liposomes.
Proteins - temporarily “repair” the hair and/or protect it. Occasionally proteins will build up on some people’s hair, this is really more likely to happen on healthy or relatively healthy hair. In case of any concern, just alternate with a protein-free CO. Examples of them are silk, soy, wheat, keratin or individual amino acids (components of proteins).
Humectancts - absorb water and hold in moisture. They are absolutely crucial in a CO for curly hair. Panthenol, vegetable glycerin, sorbitol and honey are just a few humectants to look for on the label.
Moisturizers - add softens and control to curly hair. Amino acids and aloe vera are two great moisturizers.
Ic. HOW TO DO A CO-WASH:
After wetting your hair thoroughly, pour a dime sized amount in your hand and using the pads of your fingertips apply to one spot of your scalp and massage well, just as you would with shampoo. Repeat until you've scrubbed all over, then rinse ALL the CO off with plenty of warm water, still gently massaging with your fingertips so the friction will dissolve any residue. Next, pour more CO in your hand (sometimes another richer CO is necessary for this step), rub your palms together and apply over the length as you normally did in the past. Try to detangle with your fingers or with a very wide-tooth comb. For extra moisturizing clip your hair up and continue with your shower, then when you're done set the water as cool as is comfortable to you and rinse your head for just a second or two, gently squeeze the excess water off.
II. Choosing a gel - must be 'cone-free and preferably clear so it will allow the natural shine through.
III. Styling our curls - The main points are: 1) to NOT ever brush our hair; 2) to detangle it only when wet and soaked in conditioner, using a wide-tooth comb or whenever possible just our fingers; 3) to NEVER rub our hair with the towel* but to gently blot the water off using scrunching motions with it; 4) to apply product gently preferably by scrunching; 5) to air dry our hair whenever possible or diffuse only partially to avoid frizz and 6) not touch it while it's drying.
*microfiber towel works best.
IV. Clarifying - Sometimes it can happen that all residue from our gel, oils, etc. may not rinse off with with water and CO and we get a little "buildup". Very often it's easy to notice right away that our hair feels "gunky" but other times our hair just seems to stop responding to the routine, it may begin to tangle easily or our curls loose definition and shine; clarifying will refresh them and usually bring the bounce back. The recipes for natural clarifiers can be found in the forum section titled “Recipes – for hair and body”.
MODIFIED CG FOR WAVIES:
The author concedes to the fact that some people may have to continue using shampoo (hopefully a lot less often than before) because of an oily scalp, this is usually more common in those with wavy hair. To avoid drying the hair, here's the CG way to use shampoo:
1) Wet hair under a gentle shower. 2) Take a tablespoon of CO and using your fingers, lightly coat your hair from the ends to the midshaft. This hair has been around longer than the hair at the roots and needs more lubrication. The CO protects the hair by not allowing shampoo to penetrate and dehydrate the shaft. 3) If you're using shampoo, squeeze a half teaspoon* (no more) onto your fingertips and apply it gently to the scalp and roots only. don't use your nails. Start at the forehead and work around the scalp, then rinse thoroughly. 4) Add a half teaspoon of CO to your hair and work it through with your fingers. Then rinse quickly, for just a few seconds. No you're ready to blot-dry your hair.
*Diluting this amount in an ounce of water or so makes it much easier to distribute and gentler to the scalp. |
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Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:07 am |
| Rudra wrote: |
Hi Everyone,
I have been reading this specific thread from last couple of days, such a wealth of information and money savings too. But I'm lost
so please help !!!
My hair is messed up too, dry freeze , lost a lot of hair too and I think its mostly because of well water, right now I'm using well water shampoo - that is the name of shampoo but I would like to try out these different recipes I have read here , my questions are :
1. Suave conditioner mix with ACV and honey / molasses / maple syrup - How much quantity ? meaning if I buy suave conditioner empty out little how much of AVC and honey I would need to add.
2. Can I still do AVC rinse if I'M doing above step or is it too much
3. I only wash my hair twice a week so if I do # 1 step and or # 2 , do I need to use my anti freeze cream on hair or would that be unnecessary ?
Thanks again |
Hi Rudra,
I hope I can answer your questions
Because everyone's hair is different, the best thing you can do is experiment. I have one friend who uses one table spoon of molasses and a squirt of shampoo every time she washes her hair. (She has amazing hair, I have to say.)
She mixes the shampoo and molasses in a little bowl before washing. She uses the "normal" amount of shampoo when she does this.
As for how much to mix in an actual shampoo bottle, I'm not sure. I like mixing it in a bowl and not in a bottle because you have more control over it when you do it in a bowl. (Well, I think you do anyway ) You can also experiment more this way and so find what works best for you.
Everyone's hair is different, but it also acts differently depending on where you live. When I go to visit my grandparents, for example, my normally silky hair begins to feel very "sticky" after I wash it because of the kind of water they have. I've found using more ACV than I usually do helps a lot with that problem as well as leaving the conditioner on for about five minutes. My point is, many things affect your hair and you have to work out what works for you by experimenting.
If you really want to mix it in a bottle though, PM the person who recommended it (I can't remember their username, sorry!) and they'll probably get back to you. Most people love getting private messages
As for your second question: yes, you can still do the ACV rinse even if you add it to your shampoo. Again though, it's all about experimenting. If you live in a hard water area ("hard water" means it's mineral rich) then your hair will benefit the most from ACV. If you live in such an area (hard water) I would definitely recommend you add ACV to your shampoo as well as doing the rinse. Be daring and just try it, it won't do any harm
I don't know if you'd still need your cream after doing this - you might or you might not. You can't do anything "wrong" here, you can only try new things.
I hope I helped! Don't feel lost, it can be easy to feel overwhelmed by information but it's really best to keep it simple and to just try the things you're attracted to.
Good luck, Rudra! |
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Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:15 am |
Wow! I will definitely be trying that. My hair is naturally wavy, and I've been having issues with dry split ends for ages (was just avoiding the issue).
I will definitely try the washing with conditioner only routine.
Anyone ever used coconut oil as a conditioner before or as a mask. Hair mask/conditioner that is... |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:54 am |
Hi!
I'm the one who recommends mixing suave conditioner, acv, and honey. (Don't throw out the extra conditioner!) The proportions are mostly up to you, but it shouldn't be too much vinegar. So here's a recipe (that I just made up) a half full bottle of shampoo, 1 table spoon apple cider vinegar, 1 tablespoons water, 5 table spoons honey. And shake! Have fun with it.
I don't think it's necessary to do an acv rinse if you're already adding it to your conditioner. (I don't use shampoo, my conditioner mix is all I use on my hair)
| Rudra wrote: |
Hi Everyone,
I have been reading this specific thread from last couple of days, such a wealth of information and money savings too. But I'm lost
so please help !!!
My hair is messed up too, dry freeze , lost a lot of hair too and I think its mostly because of well water, right now I'm using well water shampoo - that is the name of shampoo but I would like to try out these different recipes I have read here , my questions are :
1. Suave conditioner mix with ACV and honey / molasses / maple syrup - How much quantity ? meaning if I buy suave conditioner empty out little how much of AVC and honey I would need to add.
2. Can I still do AVC rinse if I'M doing above step or is it too much
3. I only wash my hair twice a week so if I do # 1 step and or # 2 , do I need to use my anti freeze cream on hair or would that be unnecessary ?
Thanks again
| Fox wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
When you say 'final rinse' with ACV do you mean you pour the ACV on and call it done? No more water?
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Bingo! A final rinse means what it sounds like: no more water is used to rinse the rinse out. Otherwise it wouldn't be the final one
Not everyone does it that way but this is the method that makes my hair its most shiny, silky and most rich in colour. Pour the diluted ACV though your hair and you're done.
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| And the mix with the Suave ocean breeze - is that what you mean too? |
Hmmm, I'm not sure what you mean? You can add thing to any shampoo or conditioner I would imagine, like ACV or essential oils for example, but I prefer to do the vinegar separately because I get better results that way. Once you get into the swing of it (keeping vinegar in your bathroom and pouring it in something with water before you start washing your hair) it's quick and simple.
I hope that answered your question |
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Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:54 am |
Cao Cishan, health specialist in the Qing Dynasty, wrote in a medical book, "Hair should be combed but not washed regularly. One will get a cold if it is washed in a wind." The ancients believed that the elderly and weak should wash their hair less often than people in good health. It is hygienically necessary to wash the hair. Since the sebaceous glands secrete a large quantity of esters, which not only keeps the hair supple but is bacterostatic, excessive wash or washing with ordinary soap will remove this protector of the hair and shorten its life. Serious overwashing may lead to ringworm.
Generally speaking, dry hair should be washed once every 10 to 15 days. If it is not so dry, once a week is good. Greasy hair should be washed every five days. The water should not be too hot but about 37°C . Hot water is harmful because it tends to turn the hair dry and fragile. But if the water is too cold, it doesn't wash clean. Different shampoos should be used for different types of hair. Neutral or dry hair should use toilet soap or neutral shampoo, greasy hair should use ordinary soap or laundry soap, or a shampoo containing more alkaline. Babies' hair should be washed with a special baby soap because their skin is very delicate. |
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Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:44 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
When you say 'final rinse' with ACV do you mean you pour the ACV on and call it done? No more water?
And the mix with the Suave ocean breeze - is that what you mean too? |
When using ACV you can just add a small amount to a cup of warm water, pour it through hair, massage, then rinse it off. I think Dagnolia mixes the Suave ocean breeze with the ACV but then she says she uses white vinegar, which I don't understand because apple cider vinegar is a brown colour. |
sorry if i was unclear the 1st time around...
what i do is based on the logic behind ACV rinsing and conditioner washing. but, since i didn't have any ACV on hand, i just used white vinegar (i had some in my kitchen left over from making BBQ sauce). white vinegar is a purer form of acetic acid (hence it's clear), but it's diluted to 5% acidity (the same acidity as ACV). purer may not be better--ACV has some proteins & other stuff floating around in it that might be beneficial for your hair--i was just using what i had on hand. might try the ACV when i run out of white.
as for the procedure:
i use about 2T vinegar & 2T conditioner mixed with water in an 8oz. bottle. (i get about 4 uses out of that quantity on my long-ish hair.) i get my hair wet, pour some on the crown of my head & massage it around my scalp. then i put some plain conditioner just on my ends, let it all sit for a minute or two, then rinse just a little with water--not a full rinse though: my hair retains just a bit of that silky, slippery feel. i only shampoo about once a week, and on those days i shampoo, then follow with the conditioner-vinegar-rinse process.
hope this is more helpful than it is confusing! |
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Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:51 pm |
oh, and i recommended the suave "ocean breeze" simply because the smell of it doesn't fight with the vinegar smell... i went through some trial and error with other conditioners & my early efforts left my head smelling like some kind of weird salad, and on one occasion: pickled coconut.  |
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Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:20 am |
This is a great thread, and I want to say up front that I look for Fox's threads, always good info, but as all products don't work for everybody, all do-it-yourself recipes don't either. Here's my experience with the molasses mask:
As I was coating my hair with the sticky mixture, I was wondering if this might just be a joke I fell for! But I reasoned that once I got it covered up, all would be well. I wrapped it in plastic wrap and then put on my terry turban.
I drew myself a warm bath and got ready to relax as my hair was conditioned. I couldn't relax, though, because almost immediately brown molasses began oozing down my neck and shoulders, and I watched as my bath water turned the same color!!  I had the Jacuzzi on, but I got afraid it was mess up the inner workings, and turned it off. (I know, this is sounding like an episode of "I Love Lucy".)
I stood it as long as I could, about 30 minutes, and then wiped as much molasses off my body and shoulders as I could to keep from dripping on the carpet and made a mad dash for the shower, where I proceeded to coat the walls with molasses/oil/vinegar. I breathed a sigh of relief as I washed my hair, thinking all this would be worth it if I came out with glorious hair. Mine has been suffering from winter heating. This morning, my hair is both greasy and straw-like, not an easy combination to achieve. Soooo, that's my experience w/ molasses, maybe not the worst thing I've ever done to my hair but certainly the messiest!! |
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