Study: LED Light And Green Tea Cream Smooth Facial Wrinkles
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free skin care · Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:06 am

Skippie wrote:

What brand is the green & white tea mix, Rileygirl? That sounds interesting. Are you going to use the Prolight everyday? I'm concerned about daily use but the green tea study used it everyday, so I'm trying to do the same.

No, I am only going to use the Prolight once a week, which is what Rita recommends (twice at the most, but she really prefers once a week).

The brand of green/white says STASH. I just found that at the grocery store yesterday, so I am not sure how good it is!

free skin care · Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:15 am

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The brand of green/white says STASH. I just found that at the grocery store yesterday, so I am not sure how good it is!

Thanks, Rileygirl. I'll see if I can find it at my grocery store. I've taken a picture of the side of my neck for comparison purposes. I think I'll post updated pictures here each week.

free skin care · Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:02 pm

That would be great, Skippie. I will only post B/A's if I have some afters to post! Laughing

free skin care · Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:06 am

I'm trying to get an answer to a question I previously posted. I've been using the AALS primarily on bare skin (occasionally with Avocado Oil). I'm not exactly sure how to use the Pre-Treatment Serum. Do I massage it in, leave it on for any particular amount of time before using the LED, and after do I need to wash my face again before using my regular skincare products??

Hope this makes sense. Confused

free skin care · Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:24 am

Songbird wrote:

I'm trying to get an answer to a question I previously posted. I've been using the AALS primarily on bare skin (occasionally with Avocado Oil). I'm not exactly sure how to use the Pre-Treatment Serum. Do I massage it in, leave it on for any particular amount of time before using the LED, and after do I need to wash my face again before using my regular skincare products??

Hope this makes sense. Confused

Are you using the green tea discussed here in this thread or another formula?

I am rubbing the green tea into my skin, letting it sit for 20 minutes, and then proceeding on with the LED tx. The green tea is supposed to be protective, so I would not wash it off before using the LED.

free skin care · Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:44 am

rileygirl wrote:

Are you using the green tea discussed here in this thread or another formula?

I am rubbing the green tea into my skin, letting it sit for 20 minutes, and then proceeding on with the LED tx. The green tea is supposed to be protective, so I would not wash it off before using the LED.

Yes rileygirl, I've got the ingredients for the green tea formula posted by Kassy. I was wondering not about washing it off before using the LED, but after and before I use my normal skincare regimen.

Thanks for your help. Smile

free skin care · Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:45 am

Songbird wrote:

Yes rileygirl, I've got the ingredients for the green tea formula posted by Kassy. I was wondering not about washing it off before using the LED, but after and before I use my normal skincare regimen.

Thanks for your help. Smile

Oops! Sorry, misunderstood you!

free skin care · Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:10 am

Songbird wrote:

I'm trying to get an answer to a question I previously posted. I've been using the AALS primarily on bare skin (occasionally with Avocado Oil). I'm not exactly sure how to use the Pre-Treatment Serum. Do I massage it in, leave it on for any particular amount of time before using the LED, and after do I need to wash my face again before using my regular skincare products??

Hope this makes sense. Confused

NEVER use an oil (or anything occlusive) before your treatment.. Occlusive ingredients will not let the light penetrate, and you will have wasted your time..

Whether you are using the serum recipe I posted, or just green tea, you'll want to apply it to your clean exfoliated face, 20 to 30 minutes prior to your LED treatment.

To make the green tea formula used in the study, just steep 2 tea bags, for 5 minutes, in 50 cc's of boiled water. (Apply when it's cooled off with a cotton ball, and keep remainder in the fridge. Make fresh every couple of days.)

I just ordered "white tea" as well, and will use one of each tea bags next time.

When your treatment is over just splash with water and proceed with your normal regime. (This would be a good time for your avocado oil.

Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:01 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

NEVER use an oil (or anything occlusive) before your treatment.. Occlusive ingredients will not let the light penetrate, and you will have wasted your time..

Kassy, I was planning on using the Let's Make Collagen serum from skin actives with the LED. (ingredents list: Distilled Water, Sea Kelp Bioferment, Sodium PCA, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Pomegranate Sxtract, Natural Active Peptides, Hyaluronic Acid, L-Carnosine, Boswellia Serrata, Niacinamide, N-Acetyl Glucosamine, Centella Asiatica, Horse Chestnut Extract, Betulinic Acid, Green Tea EGCG, Epidermal Growth Factor BT, Germaben II)

I'm really new to all of this, so I don't know if this would have anything that will block out light? Maybe I'll just use the green tea liquid you mentioned just to be safe?

free skin care · Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:48 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

NEVER use an oil (or anything occlusive) before your treatment.. Occlusive ingredients will not let the light penetrate, and you will have wasted your time..

Well I guess I messed up on that one Embarassed

Kassy, thank you so much for slapping me on the hand about this. I know you had told me once to try the Avocado oil and I just assumed you meant with the AALS. Thankfully I only did this a few times. I'm going to try your serum and then I'll post an update. Thanks again for being there for us babies in the skincare world. Wink

free skin care · Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:37 pm

txgirl wrote:

Kassy_A wrote:

NEVER use an oil (or anything occlusive) before your treatment.. Occlusive ingredients will not let the light penetrate, and you will have wasted your time..

Kassy, I was planning on using the Let's Make Collagen serum from skin actives with the LED. (ingredents list: Distilled Water, Sea Kelp Bioferment, Sodium PCA, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Pomegranate Sxtract, Natural Active Peptides, Hyaluronic Acid, L-Carnosine, Boswellia Serrata, Niacinamide, N-Acetyl Glucosamine, Centella Asiatica, Horse Chestnut Extract, Betulinic Acid, Green Tea EGCG, Epidermal Growth Factor BT, Germaben II)

I'm really new to all of this, so I don't know if this would have anything that will block out light? Maybe I'll just use the green tea liquid you mentioned just to be safe?

Go for the tea!

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:29 am

Kassy.....another question.
We like to keep you busy Smile

You recently started using the Omnilux Nu-U LED which has the option of using just red lights or just infra-red lights which Omnilux recommend using on alternative days.
Bearing in mind the studies we've been concentrating on here point out a green tea extract (I believe EGCG) should be used to counteract the negative effect from IR light, have you thought about not using the IR light of your omnilux?
And do you think it's as necessary to use the green tea for the red light-only treatment?

I'm curious that maybe LED's without IR are the way forward. Have you noticed there isn't any advice on all the major LED websites about having to use some form of EGCC to protect against the IR...
Do we know more than them? Confused

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:45 am

Not Kassy, but I thought the Green Tea was being used to accentuate and enhance the results of the LEDs, not to protect against IR radiation - have I missed something?

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:25 am

I just bought the Green Tea Extract with Caffeine from SkinActives and was planning on using that with the AALS. Is that ok? SHOOOOOT! I haven't kept up with this thread and didn't know everyone was just using tea bags Sad

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:01 am

rileygirl wrote:

Skippie wrote:

What brand is the green & white tea mix, Rileygirl? That sounds interesting. Are you going to use the Prolight everyday? I'm concerned about daily use but the green tea study used it everyday, so I'm trying to do the same.

No, I am only going to use the Prolight once a week, which is what Rita recommends (twice at the most, but she really prefers once a week).

The brand of green/white says STASH. I just found that at the grocery store yesterday, so I am not sure how good it is!

Green tea properties differ from one type of tea to another one. From what I read Japanese green teas usually are more beneficial then Chinese for internal consumption (although I love my dragon pearls tea regardless). Not long ago, and prior to this thread I saw a comparison chart of different types of green teas. Even within Japanese teas category some had higher rankings. It might make sense to try green tea + LED treatments with nice Japanese teas.

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:04 pm

Has anybody tried Matcha in their green tea concoctions? I did a quick google search and it appears to be powdered Japanese green tea leaf. I wonder if this might be more concentrated than steeping tea bags, or if buying the actual 'extract' from an actives supplier might be more potent? Thanks!

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:07 pm

mpstat wrote:

rileygirl wrote:

Skippie wrote:

What brand is the green & white tea mix, Rileygirl? That sounds interesting. Are you going to use the Prolight everyday? I'm concerned about daily use but the green tea study used it everyday, so I'm trying to do the same.

No, I am only going to use the Prolight once a week, which is what Rita recommends (twice at the most, but she really prefers once a week).

The brand of green/white says STASH. I just found that at the grocery store yesterday, so I am not sure how good it is!

Green tea properties differ from one type of tea to another one. From what I read Japanese green teas usually are more beneficial then Chinese for internal consumption (although I love my dragon pearls tea regardless). Not long ago, and prior to this thread I saw a comparison chart of different types of green teas. Even within Japanese teas category some had higher rankings. It might make sense to try green tea + LED treatments with nice Japanese teas.

I haven't been following the thread closely, forgive me if this has already come up, but... just when I think I'm finally doing something right (I drink a fair amount of both white and green tea), I read this article: http://www.whiteteaguide.com/whiteteabuyer.htm

This article and a few others have convinced me that loose leaf tea probably IS better than supermarket tea, but darn it, my grocery store tea will have to suffice for now. A lot of sources recommend the Silver Needles white tea, which is about $20 for 2 oz Shock

But, teavana.com did have some less expensive loose leaf white and green teas. So, most likely, I'll eventually grit my teeth and splurge.

In the meantime, I'm thinking about trying this with my 302 mists, since they have between 2% and 3% green tea in them. They also have small amounts of glycerin in them, but would glycerine be considered occlusive? I'm holding off until I figure that out.

Rileygirl, I have the Stash brand white tea but I haven't tried it yet, for drinking or otherwise Smile

I love Stash green tea w/ pomegranate, though, and I also love Bigelow brand white tea with tangerine. So, if you're not happy with the results on your skin, you'll probably be really happy with the way it tastes!

Oh, and, from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tea

Carcinogens in tea bags

"Some tea bags are made using a wet paper strength reinforcing coating using epichlorohydrin, which is known to be carcinogenic. Uses are not limited to tea bags, as coffee filters and sausage/salami casings can have the same issues.[citation needed] The problem can be avoided by using loose-leaf tea or tea bags which do not use the coating."

I have been looking at all of my boxes, and not one of them lists the material used for the tea bags, nor does it list the coating agents Rolling Eyes

Anyway, another vote for loose tea - I'll probably start with one of those $12 portable strainer/infusers on teavana and some of their less expensive teas and see how it goes.

Swan, the matcha sounds great, but in the trials, they filtered out all the solid material, presumably because it could block the light? So I'm not sure if matcha could be used effectively that way... it seems like it would be great for drinking, though, and if it were less expensive on teavana, it would be on my "to buy" list. Maybe if I win the lottery, though Laughing

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:43 pm

I am a dedicated green teas drinker, and prefer loose tea over tea bags. If you already own a coffee maker you do not need to get special tea equipment. Just put loose tea INSIDE a glass jar of a coffee maker, and brew your tea. Very convenient.

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:00 pm

Lowbrowscientist wrote:

Rileygirl, I have the Stash brand white tea but I haven't tried it yet, for drinking or otherwise Smile

I love Stash green tea w/ pomegranate, though, and I also love Bigelow brand white tea with tangerine. So, if you're not happy with the results on your skin, you'll probably be really happy with the way it tastes!

Thanks, lowbrow. I did try a cup (actually about 3 now!) of the Stash brand green and white, and it was fine. I do prefer the loose tea, but only have 1 sample container left from my Adagio tea order (thank you mpstat!) (which my son and I both really liked), and I really don't want to waste it for my face!!

I read years ago that the cheaper teas were actually higher in ecgc than the "premium" brands, but I could not tell you where I read that now.

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:24 pm

Quote:

Carcinogens in tea bags

"Some tea bags are made using a wet paper strength reinforcing coating using epichlorohydrin, which is known to be carcinogenic. Uses are not limited to tea bags, as coffee filters and sausage/salami casings can have the same issues.[citation needed] The problem can be avoided by using loose-leaf tea or tea bags which do not use the coating."

There's always something to worry about, isn't there??!! I have ordered white tea extract but in the meantime, I'm using white tea bags. I guess I could cut them open and brew only the loose tea inside. Does anyone see a problem with that? I like using the tea bags because I brew enough for a cup to drink and what I need for my LED treatment.

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:20 pm

Yep - there's a horror story for everything isn't there? I drink ALLOT of tea, both green and Ceylon types - I will say that I hate the taste of tea-bags and never use them. I can always tell when a tea-bag has been used and not loose leaf tea. I also hate the fact that tea-bags are taking over and packets of loose leaf tea are in the minority.

free skin care · Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:39 pm

I'm so glad to see the links to Teavana as I have one of those about 25 mins away. Have bought many teas from them (their samples do cause me to pull out my wallet!). I have 2 other tea stores about 15-20 mins away, and that works out great for me since I switched to drinking loose leaf tea about 18 mos ago.

Didn't know I needed to mix up a new batch of the tea every few days, tho Kassy (as I sit here using the one I made last week w/ my LED man red/blue light!) Will need to make a new one up.

Tip for tea lovers - I tried a blended mix recently at a restaurant that was great and wholely recommend it! It was a white & green mix with pears in it. LOVELY! I need to search around to see who carries it. (For consumption - not topical use!)

free skin care · Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:51 am

Keliu wrote:

Not Kassy, but I thought the Green Tea was being used to accentuate and enhance the results of the LEDs, not to protect against IR radiation - have I missed something?

Hi Keliu,
the quote below found by Skippie (page 1) has led to the side-line discussion of protection against IR using green tea:

"Another interesting quote:

We found clear observational evidence for the existence of light intensity thresholds, that is, the capacity of the light to change the order of interfacial water. It may be noted that the WARP 10 operates in the wavelength window which has been used for more than 40 years in wound healing, far from both ultraviolet and infrared radiation. According to recent research high doses (360−720 × 104 J m−2) of infrared radiation (760−1440 nm) possibly contribute to photoaging.

Here's the link to the article (maybe you can explain it to me): http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/cg8000703?cookieSet=1 "

I personally find this worrying.

free skin care · Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:12 am

I think the operative word here is "high". As Steve from Lightstim pointed out, none of the home devices we are using are operating at these high levels.

free skin care · Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:35 am

Keliu wrote:

I think the operative word here is "high". As Steve from Lightstim pointed out, none of the home devices we are using are operating at these high levels.

But what about the Omnilux? Here is what the 20 minute treatment protocol found in the study;

The Omnilux Revive (TM) and Omnilux Plus (TM) were used. The one delivers noncoherent but quasimonochromatic red light at a wavelength of 633 nm and an intensity of 105 mW/cm 2 for a total of 126 J/cm 2 after 20 minutes of exposure. The other light-head delivers noncoherent light at a wavelength of 830 nm and 55 mW/cm 2 intensity for a total dose of 66 J/cm 2 after 20 minutes exposure

The handheld does the exact same thing to every area treated.. Shock

I know little or nothing about joules, but isn't "126" and "66" respectively, way too much? (LS, PL and BQ are in the "8" J/cm 2 neighborhood right?)

I hope I'm not going to wind up doing more harm than good with this.. Confused

Maybe I should just use the "red", and lay off the "IR"?

Also what I found interesting in the study was the 9 treatments were comprised of 6 IR and 3 Red...Wonder why. Confused

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