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free skin care · Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:03 pm

jasminerosey 1 wrote:

and mariposa...how wonderful your brother is now regenerating quickly

Thank you JR. I appreciate that and agree that
honoring one another and each other's truth is
so important.

I enjoy lively discussions as long as we don't step on each other, because we are so
married to our beliefs.

free skin care · Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:15 pm

mariposa wrote:

What is inflammatory hyperbole to one person is the truth to another person. It all boils down to what one chooses to believe.[u]

I would like to think that truth is based on factual evidence. But I would point out that blind faith has been responsible for much of the misery inflicted on humankind throughout history - so people should be very careful about what they believe.

As for this link: http://www.cancertutor.com/war_evidence/ - the author of the article, R. Webster Kehr apparently does not believe in Einstein's Theory of Evolution and thinks "evolution is the most absurd theory in the history of science!!"
http://recursed.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/the-pseudoscience-constellation.html

I also see that the article is filed under "Conspiracy Theories". Actually this is what I find the most frustrating about your and Aprile's attitude towards medicine. You come from an "American perspective" - a belief that the FDA, the pharmaceutical industry and your government all have an agenda to keep you sick for profit. But these institutions do not effect other countries in the world - why is it that there is no global cure for cancer? Am I to believe that because there is no cure for cancer in Australia that it is because our government wants to keep us sick for profit? Hardly, we have a "free" health care system and sickness costs our society dearly.

Really, if there was a proven blanket cure for cancer it would be adopted and celebrated by the ENTIRE world.

ETA: I just wanted to add that it's not uncommon for people to have to travel to other countries for specialist treatments. Our current affairs TV shows here often feature sick children who need to travel to the US for treatments and people are asked to donate to help their parents out with the expense. Conversely, many under-privileged kids with dreadful facial deformities are brought here by charitable institutions for maxillofacial surgery.

free skin care · Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:50 pm

Keliu wrote:

Really, if there was a proven blanket cure for cancer it would be adopted and celebrated by the ENTIRE world.

That's exactly what *I've* been saying to some folks who I've been discussing this subject with. You wouldn't have to hear about it from some posters on a forum. The world would know about it.

free skin care · Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:21 pm

Keliu -

Suffice it to say that you must have strong faith in government, lobbyists groups, insurance companies and BIG PHARMA. You say: "Really, if there was a proven blanket cure for cancer it would be adopted and celebrated by the ENTIRE world." There is no proven *blanket cure*. Certain cancers call for certain protcols, although ALL humans need essential minerals and vitamins and many of us are severely lacking in these life giving nutrients. That's of course simplifying things because that's only part of the problem. IF there was a cure for cancer? There are many alternative cures Keliu. They are just not part of your belief system and that's where the story ends.

When those of us opposed to GMO's brought that subject up as one of the ways people get sick, many of you were put off by that. WHY? Monsanto is everywhere even in your own country. Yet, they have a long track record of crimes against humanity, which you choose to ignore. This is just a short list.. I'm certain there's more out there and we might be finding about them in the very near future. http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg66428.html Sadly, the government is in many ways complicit, allowing them to perpetuate these evil doings. Siding with Monsanto over farmers who own land next to their fields, preventing them from farming the only way they know how, is just one of the ways the government is complicit. Is it any wonder we who are on a mission to create vibrant health for ourselves and our families no longer trust?

free skin care · Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:46 pm

aprile wrote:

Keliu -

Suffice it to say that you must have strong faith in government, lobbyists groups, insurance companies and BIG PHARMA. You say: "Really, if there was a proven blanket cure for cancer it would be adopted and celebrated by the ENTIRE world." There is no proven *blanket cure*. Certain cancers call for certain protcols, although ALL humans need essential minerals and vitamins and many of us are severely lacking in these life giving nutrients. That's of course simplifying things because that's only part of the problem. IF there was a cure for cancer? There are many alternative cures Keliu. They are just not part of your belief system and that's where the story ends.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Why would I have strong faith in government, lobbyists groups, insurance companies and BIG PHARMA??? And I didn't say there was a blanket cure for cancer - I said IF. You've missed the whole point I was making. Let me put it this way - when antibiotics were discovered they were adopted by the ENTIRE world. Your government, your lobbyist groups, your insurance companies and Big Pharma didn't ban them so that people would die of infections did they?

In addition, I am not against seeking alternative treatments. I've told you before I've had Bowen Therapy and Acupuncture for various ailments. Heck, I've just purchased an oxygen facial machine! I'll try anything. So don't presume to tell me what my beliefs are.

What I'm against is hysterical conspiracy theories that lack logic and common sense.

free skin care · Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:12 pm

Aprile - could I ask you to explain why countries who do not have a government "complicit in evil deeds", lobbyists, insurance companies and Big Pharma also don't have a recognised cure for cancer?

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:26 am

Further to Mariposa's link discussing Laetrile:
This is the Australian judgement:

Quote:

The Medical Oncology Group of Australia (MOGA) is the professional association of specialist medical oncologists (physicians who treat cancer) in Australia. MOGA has made this comment: “MOGA supports the use of evidence based therapy, where appropriately designed clinical trials have demonstrated effectiveness
and safety of anticancer agents. Amygdalin/Laetrile would not therefore be appropriate therapy for a patient
with cancer, because there is no satisfactory evidence of efficacy, and considerable risk of toxicity.

A 1991 journal article concludes “In light of the lack of efficacy of Laetrile and its demonstrated ability to cause harm, Laetrile should not be used to treat cancer”. The article cites the conclusion of the authors of a
1982 study that “Amygdalin (Laetrile) is a toxic drug that is not effective as a cancer treatment”. and notes that the American Cancer Society concurs in this judgement.
http://www.health.qld.gov.au/ph/documents/ehu/32468.pdf

Now Australia is not in bed with Big Pharma, lobby groups or insurance companies so I will not accept that this decision is based on sickness for profit, but rather for issues of safety.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:22 am

Keliu wrote:

Further

Now Australia is not in bed with Big Pharma, lobby groups or insurance companies so I will not accept that this decision is based on sickness for profit, but rather for issues of safety.

Are you sure about this Keliu? It may not be a matter of literally being in bed with one another, but the Australia-US Free Trade Agreement and the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) are definitely putting your Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS)
in jeopardy. Where do you think the majority of this pressure is coming from? And why do you think this is happening? So there will be more profit for the drug co's. (Read the article below and do alittle more research.)

It looks like PBS serves your citizens well(you are lucky), but maybe not for long. Check out this article:

http://www.aftinet.org.au/papers/sainsbury1.html

(from the article)
And because most big pharmaceutical companies are American, they’re pressing the US and Australian governments to include the PBS in the negotiations about the Australia-US Free Trade Agreement. The American government is receptive to these arguments because it wants even bigger profits for its companies. The Howard government is receptive, despite its denials, because it wants to reduce the government’s contribution to the cost of drugs and make the user pay more.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:28 am

I got the ozone machine last night. I tried it out this morning. It's not as low level as I thought. The manufacturer does recommend running the ozone air purifyer in an unoccupied room to avoid breathing pure ozone directly. The problem with breathing concentrated ozone is that it can irritate your nasal passages and lungs. I read on another site to make ozone water under the stove fan. Since it is extremely cold here, I did that. Fortunately, ozone has a smell, so you know if you are breathing it. I could only smell it when I smelled the water afterwards. I could not smell it in the air, nor did I experience any irritation of any sort. I ran the ozonator for 20 minutes in 2 cups of water. The instructions say for purified water to let the water sit for 20 minutes to allow the ozone to dissipate from the water. I wanted to drink ozone water, so I drank it immediately.

I love it! It's exhilarating. I bought this hoping to lower my caffeine intake with something healthy. I think this will do it. It feels much better than a cup of coffee. Coffee creates a tense kind of energy. There is no tension with this. I just feel alive/alert.

I debated on whether or not to post this. I am grateful to those who post their experiences despite the rude responses. Those comments are much more helpful to me than all the clinical studies in the world because even clinical studies contradict themselves. I'm not here looking for clinical studies. Anybody can find that with a simple internet search. I am here to find out what has worked for other people.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:35 am

AngelaE8654 wrote:

Keliu wrote:

Really, if there was a proven blanket cure for cancer it would be adopted and celebrated by the ENTIRE world.

That's exactly what *I've* been saying to some folks who I've been discussing this subject with. You wouldn't have to hear about it from some posters on a forum. The world would know about it.

Nope. Once a cure is found, it will take the world at least another decade to argue about it, raise funding (which will only happen if there is $ to be made), and campaign to get all the testing and studies done. After that, it will take another decade to run all the tests. Then, and only then, will the world know about it.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:48 am

mariposa wrote:

Keliu wrote:

Further

Now Australia is not in bed with Big Pharma, lobby groups or insurance companies so I will not accept that this decision is based on sickness for profit, but rather for issues of safety.

Are you sure about this Keliu? It may not be a matter of literally being in bed with one another, but the Australia-US Free Trade Agreement and the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) are definitely putting your Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS)
in jeopardy. Where do you think the majority of this pressure is coming from? And why do you think this is happening? So there will be more profit for the drug co's. (Read the article below and do alittle more research.)

It looks like PBS serves your citizens well(you are lucky), but maybe not for long. Check out this article:

http://www.aftinet.org.au/papers/sainsbury1.html

(from the article)
And because most big pharmaceutical companies are American, they’re pressing the US and Australian governments to include the PBS in the negotiations about the Australia-US Free Trade Agreement. The American government is receptive to these arguments because it wants even bigger profits for its companies. The Howard government is receptive, despite its denials, because it wants to reduce the government’s contribution to the cost of drugs and make the user pay more.

To put my above post more succinctly: politics is now global. Influence and power are exerted by those who are wealthiest. Big Pharma/FDA have tremendous power and are wielding it in many places around the world.

For example, the FDA recently told the UK that it will not allow a number of drugs to be imported into the US anymore. Everything they import except for 9 drugs have been disallowed and Britain must comply. (Many Americans buy their drugs in other countries because they are alot less expensive.) I imagine that this will soon happen in Canada as well, perhaps India too. The FDA and Big Pharma are forcing Americans to get their drugs in this country so that they will reap the profit.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:09 am

Tonia wrote:

I got the ozone machine last night. I tried it out this morning. It's not as low level as I thought. The manufacturer does recommend running the ozone air purifyer in an unoccupied room to avoid breathing pure ozone directly. The problem with breathing concentrated ozone is that it can irritate your nasal passages and lungs. I read on another site to make ozone water under the stove fan. Since it is extremely cold here, I did that. Fortunately, ozone has a smell, so you know if you are breathing it. I could only smell it when I smelled the water afterwards. I could not smell it in the air, nor did I experience any irritation of any sort. I ran the ozonator for 20 minutes in 2 cups of water. The instructions say for purified water to let the water sit for 20 minutes to allow the ozone to dissipate from the water. I wanted to drink ozone water, so I drank it immediately.

I love it! It's exhilarating. I bought this hoping to lower my caffeine intake with something healthy. I think this will do it. It feels much better than a cup of coffee. Coffee creates a tense kind of energy. There is no tension with this. I just feel alive/alert.

I debated on whether or not to post this. I am grateful to those who post their experiences despite the rude responses. Those comments are much more helpful to me than all the clinical studies in the world because even clinical studies contradict themselves. I'm not here looking for clinical studies. Anybody can find that with a simple internet search. I am here to find out what has worked for other people.

Thank you for posting your experience. I agree with you about finding out what others' experiences are. The bottom line is that we want to support one another and be supported.

I love ozonated water too. It is so fresh. I read a forum where the moderator is an expert in a number of things, including ozone. I asked him a couple of days ago, (since we were all talking about ozone) how quickly one should drink the water. He said immediately. He said he drinks it as it is ozonating....not sure how this can be done. My machine doesn't allow me to do that.
But anyway, the quicker the better, because the ozone gas dissipates rapidly.

I hope it helps you lower your caffeine.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:37 am

Tonia wrote:

Nope. Once a cure is found, it will take the world at least another decade to argue about it, raise funding (which will only happen if there is $ to be made), and campaign to get all the testing and studies done. After that, it will take another decade to run all the tests. Then, and only then, will the world know about it.

So you're saying that people will only know about such "cures" from posters on a forum who are unknown to them and could be anybody? With the types of communication we have available to us today?? Please. That sort of stuff really is hysterical nonsense. Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:49 am

AngelaE8654 wrote:

Tonia wrote:

Nope. Once a cure is found, it will take the world at least another decade to argue about it, raise funding (which will only happen if there is $ to be made), and campaign to get all the testing and studies done. After that, it will take another decade to run all the tests. Then, and only then, will the world know about it.

So you're saying that people will only know about such "cures" from posters on a forum who are unknown to them and could be anybody? With the types of communication we have available to us today?? Please. That sort of stuff really is hysterical nonsense. Rolling Eyes

I didn't say anything about finding a cure for cancer on a forum.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:54 am

Quote:

I agree with you about finding out what others' experiences are. The bottom line is that we want to support one another and be supported.

I could not agree more.

We all know how to do Google search, how to find pubmed and do not need assistance doing that, nor this forum to discuss these findings with people who are lacking professional qualifications to judge the validity of the articles and studies.

Finding out what else is there and what had worked and what could be achieved is really of interest.

Mariposa, is it possible to find out what ozone machine does this person recommends for water ozonation? I am also very interested in getting a unit to do that for health reasons, but not sure how it is possible (I do not have a vent over the stove at the moment, so would be tricky to find a room where to run the unit).

I also restarted using Pico, so would be very curious to know what people use with it instead of or in addition to their spray.

TIA

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:00 pm

Keliu -

Those of us in the U.S. are not discussing Australia's government or policies. But lets just put the cards on the table here - Australia banned the drug Laetrile, yet condones chemotherapy and radiation, both of which ARE EXTREMELY toxic and harmful to the body. So if there's no monetary gain WHY is it that the U.S. and your country even sanction them? Also, if healthcare is free in Australia, is the patient also free to pursue a different type of treatment? I'll bet the answer to that is NO. You don't think that there's any advantage to Australia recommending chemotherapy? As far as I can see, ALL of the big pharmaceutical companies that produce chemotherapy drugs are U.S. based companies,including Eli Lilly, Bristol-Myers Squibb and a small company out of New Jersey Tamir and must be imported into Australia. Hmmm... You don't see the connection?

How is a therapy sanctioned in the U.S.? The FDA. If the FDA blocks a treatment that has been proven to be effective to cancer patients, then are they not doing a disservice to those patients? Yes I do realize there are pediatric patients coming to the U.S. for free treatents at centers like St. Jude's Children's Hospital. My only wish was they would use "do no harm" treatments. Sadly, parents whose child has an inoperable brain tumor are told they can try mega doses of chemo and radiation. Yet there's not even a shred of evidence of survival and the treatment is so barbaric and the side effects even worse. Yet Dr. Burzinski's anteoplastins therapy works for most of these patients while chemotherapy does nothing. How is it even possible that this therapy hasn't been FDA approved and sanctioned for use, while chemotherapy and radiation are even allowed in these cases? SERIOUSLY?

You said that the World would embrace a treatment IF there was one for cancer. Well there is one and they are far from embracing or sanctioning it. I think the reason is clear and we know WHY. ~ Aprile

PS - posting Dr. Burzinski's documentary here for anyone who wants to view it. It literally blew my mind.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/burzynski-the-movie-cancer-is-serious-business/

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:01 pm

Mariposa, what forum is that? I would love to look at it.

Sigma, I don't think you need anything other than plain water to get good results. Some feel the sprays help, but it's not necesary. Still, it will be interesting to hear what other sprays people use.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:03 pm

Tonia wrote:

I didn't say anything about finding a cure for cancer on a forum.

But that's been the discussion here since the "cancer talk" started. Mariposa said that cancer has been healed (she used the word "heal") in other countries but the treatments were illegal in the United States. I asked her about her brother's treatments (keeping in mind I have no issues with seeking 'alternate' treatments) and if he was still in Stage 4 metathesized colon cancer. Other posters (Aprile was one of them) chimed in about how the US Government "lies and covers up things" for financial purposes:

aprile wrote:

As Mariposa stated, the treatments her brother received are illegal in the U.S. I would venture a BIG guess that they cost way less the toxic chemotherapy and radiation, especially given that chemo is $18 THOUSAND dollars a vile, and more importantly - they do no harm. Which makes me ponder why people seeking treatment for most diseases don't even consider that the pharmaceutical industry is a trillion dollar industry!! Why should it be any wonder that the government would conceal information about the terrible odds using conventional treatments? They lie, cover up about so many things!!

Therefore, the premise of these discussions is that Mariposa (a poster on a forum who is unknown to us) and Aprile (a poster on a forum who is unknown to us) know about a "cure" for cancer that the world does not yet know about even though supposedly cancer has been "healed" in other countries:

mariposa wrote:

It is a fact that other countries,- Canada, Mexico, Germany, and Switzerland, to name a few,- have cancer treatments that actually heal cancers. Here in the US,those cancers have a 1%
survival rate.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:14 pm

Would it be possible for all the people interested in debating the state of medicine, both allopathic and alternative, state of the governments and many similar subjects (global warming, life on Mars, etc.) to do it in a separate thread?

This one was meant for Energy related skincare and a few adjacent topics related to Energy (healing, suppelements, etc.).

Thank you so much in advance!

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:24 pm

sigma wrote:

Would it be possible for all the people interested in debating the state of medicine, both allopathic and alternative, state of the governments and many similar subjects (global warming, life on Mars, etc.) to do it in a separate thread?

This one was meant for Energy related skincare and a few adjacent topics related to Energy (healing, suppelements, etc.).

Thank you so much in advance!

Agreed.

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:55 pm

I third the (imo)folly of a 10 second 'research' into a subject like ozone by posting a study by pubmed..without any understanding of what ozone is and what it does.

as i've stated in a previous post my DH's vocation is environmental consultation/sales and he has been selling ozone air purifiers for a little over 20 years...which he..nor i..would ever do w/o intense research on many levels...scientific, antecdotal,experiential, common sense, perceptive and intuitive

so...ozone is a natural substance without which there would be no life on earth (except maybe very very rudimentary forms)...same as water. oxygen and ...other 'essentials' for life....basically it is present in absolutely all outdoor air..where it cleans up environmental contamination (chemical & bacterial) both created by nature continually...and now of course...by humans as well.

when there is an extreme amount of outdoor pollutants...which can be created by nature...but is generally created by humans..there is an equally extreme amount of ozone... of necessity...created to clean the air of the pollutants.

So high'ozone' alerts (high amounts of ozone in the air can be damaging to the lungs..especially of young children and the elderly)...should be called more truthfully 'smog' alerts because it is the poisoning effect of the pollutants in the (human created) smog that requires the natural presence of large amounts of ozone to 'de-toxify' the asounding amount of pollutants in the industrial, etc. waste that creates the smog... without theis de-toxification we would not survive as a species... nor would ..as already stated...most life forms.

ozone is the 'clean' invigorating smell one experiences in pristine outdoor air...

my DH over the last 20 years has much antecdotal evidence of client's children with asthma sleeping well for the first time when they have ozone air purifiers placed in their bedroom... my own DN who also has asthma and is using an ozone air purifier in his own home....picked us up at the airport for Christmas holida ..and because my DH always travels with a portable air purifier that can be plugged into the cigarette lighter of a car..he remarked on how much better he could breathe now that the device was in the car.

of course my DH's husband's devices are calibrated to represent the safe natural amount of ambient ozone in nature and cannot produce enough ozone to be dangerous indoors..and i am not sure about the kind of ozone machine others are using...

but nonetheless..when one has an understanding of ozone one can use it appropriately....just as when one has an understanding of water..just because a pub med article might say, for example, that one can get burned by bathing in too hot water..and of course even die from such an exposure..because we understand about the nature of water..we can still use it apropriately .

same with wind..just because we can be severely hurt if we were to walk out during a tornedo..it doen't stop us from enjoying a a summer breeze ...or sailing or using wind power as an energy source....

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:14 pm

Fantastic post Jasmine. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said. Pure and simple, people are afraid of things they know nothing of. I myself have asthma and would be very intersted in knowing more about the ozone purification systems your DH sells. Also the one that is used while travel. I would love to use one at work!!! When you drink ionized alkaline water, it makes a huge difference in the softness of the water and in the taste. The same thing applies for instance when you use that same water to make coffee. Although coffee is normally acidic, it appears to cut the acidity and yet it still tastes great. I have declusterig magnets that I place around my water bottles to make the water more wet. The difference in my skin is very apparent in that it's much more plump! I once sprayed Ageless Secret Gold in my hands and held around a glass of water - the same thing happened - the water became softer. (although I don't want to waste it on this.) ASG can even change vinegar tasting wine into smooth wine. This was mind blowing to me. Okay enough...dodging bullets now. Laughing

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:44 pm

Aprile, that's fascinating. I must try ASG with wine! Smile

Speaking of alkaline water. Here is my journey with alkaline water:
I had chronic bladder infections for most of my life. Every time I had one, the Dr. would run a culture. I told them every time that no bacteria ever shows up, only white blood cells. They never believed me. They would culture it anyway and be shocked that no bacteria showed up since the dip test showed an infection. I started reading everything I could to figure out what was causing this. It got so bad, I went to a urologist for a solution. The solution he offered was a year supply of antibiotics. Um yeah, that wasn't the kind of solution I was looking for. I started reading about acid in the body and decided to order some test strips. My urine was extremely acidic! Not just acidic, it was much more acidic than is healthy. I decided to try an alkalizing pitcher. It was instant relief. It was better than an AZO pill. I have a relative who is a urologist but doesn't live close to me. When I told him about the alkaline water curing my problem, he said that made sense to him. The overly acidic urine must have been literally burning the lining of my bladder and urinary tract.

I used to have bladder infections 4-5 times per year. I recently had my first infection in 3 years. It's the first one I've had since starting on alkaline water. Guess what. This time, when they ran the culture, bacteria showed up. I couldn't believe it! This one was caused by good old fashioned bacteria and not by acid.

No, I don't sell alkaline water. Lol. I do wish someone, especially one of the many Dr.s I went to through the years, could have told me this. It took years for me to figure it out on my own. Maybe this is why I don't assume that modern medicine has all the answers. According to modern medicine, the only cure for repeat bladder infections is repeated doses of antibiotics. Not one Dr told me about my acid problem. I had to explain it to them!

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:12 pm

I have been using Ageless secret for a week or so. I'm noticing only one change- which could be attributed to all sorts of things, hormone shifts, my exercising consistently, cumulative effects of microcurrent just now reflecting in my skin- but something's made my skin tone more even. This is important to me because I deal with rosacea and I occasionally flare up from all kinds of things, especially alcohol (and I LOVE red wine) which I don't intend to quit as there's a limit to vanity and a drink with a friend after work is priceless to me. So noticing a change in skin tone is really the kind of thing I get excited about. This is the only change I've made in terms of a topical...I've gotten a couple other new topicals after seeing recommendations on here but haven't really dipped into anything yet beyond trying some stuff on one small red rosacea spot just last night and that didn't seem to do anything yet anyways. I like to give things a chance to show their effects independently. I don't know if I can say for sure it's due to AS but I have clearly more even skin now? I noticed it more today at nearly the week mark but thought I saw it a couple days ago too, just less obvious. I don't understand any of the technology behind the claims but now I want to test it on wine and see if I notice anything! Sounds impossible.

Edited to add:

Tonia- just a quick note in case you didn't know about this stuff, 'd-mannose' is a good supplement for clearing UTIs. Seriously, it's been better for me than a pack of antibiotics that make me feel tired and crappy. I use it occasionally to keep things clear and healthy

free skin care · Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:27 pm

Carlingus, I've read about that but never tried it. Thank you for mentioning it.

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