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free skin care · Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:50 pm

Sorry googeling another link about this

http://www.livestrong.com/article/27566-dermawand/

DM

free skin care · Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:05 pm

I've just purchased a DermaWand and have a few questions for those of you still using yours. I ordered mine from Amazon.com so it didn't come with a DVD or the Pre-Face moisturizer. I'm wondering what you all have found to work best as a pre-treatment. I had read somewhere that aloe vera can be used, but in the pamphlet I have it says you can use any good moisturizer. Also, for those such as Kassy and Keliu who use both the DW and the AALS, can they both be used on the same day or is it best to alternate? Any other tips are more than welcome. TIA

free skin care · Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:25 pm

Songbird,
I haven't had time to use mine in a while! I got it off one of the shopping channels, no DVD either just a phamphlet with instructions and tiny bottles of treatment, cleanser and a moisturizer for after! They might have been 1/2 oz. each, in my opinion as far as the products go not impressed! You didn't miss much there, my instructions say just what yours do any good moisturizer works fine! I can't speak for the DVD, sorry!
I don't see a problem with aloe as the treatment that I received with it (for use while using the dermawand) was a clear gel!
As to the AALS I can't address it as I don't use it, hopefully some one else will chime in and answer that.

HTH
DM

free skin care · Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:15 am

As far as a moisturiser is concerned, I would imagine anything that doesn't include an oil would be ok. I don't see any reason for not using both devices one after the other - they work on different principals. The AALS is supposed to increase collagen and elastin production, whilst the Dermawand infuses the skin with oxygen. HTH.

free skin care · Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:23 am

Keliu wrote:

As far as a moisturiser is concerned, I would imagine anything that doesn't include an oil would be ok. I don't see any reason for not using both devices one after the other - they work on different principals. The AALS is supposed to increase collagen and elastin production, whilst the Dermawand infuses the skin with oxygen. HTH.

Kelilu,

Is your recommendation of not using anything with oil because of using the AALS after the Dermawand, or is that true for the dermawand alone as well? Sorry it has been so long since I dug mine out, I've forgotten if that was specified in the dermawand instructions or not!
Embarassed

TIA
DM

free skin care · Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:44 am

There is no problem using AALS and Dermawand the same day. There is also no problem using DW over oil and/or moisturizer containing oil. In fact, onwww.beautifulonraw.com Tonya even recommends doing it with a more powerful version of DW.

The only caveat is if you have facial hair or prone to broken capillaries. In that case you should be careful not to aggravate the condition. I am not sure DW is powerful enough to make it worse, this is a general guideline for High Frequency machines.

HTH

free skin care · Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:01 am

sigma wrote:

There is no problem using AALS and Dermawand the same day. There is also no problem using DW over oil and/or moisturizer containing oil. In fact, onwww.beautifulonraw.com Tonya even recommends doing it with a more powerful version of DW.

HTH

Sigma,
Did you see this on Tonya's site...the violet ray and dermawand maybe different technologies
http://www.beautifulonraw.com/Holistic_Device_Violet_Ray.html look halfway down the page.

free skin care · Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:26 am

Toby,

good point. I think it is the same technology, despite that paragraph. When I had seen it originally it made me wonder, and I did a bit of search on the net. One of the unit she sells (a professional one) can be found in beauty supplies and it is a high frequency machine. I did not want to bother her and ask for clarification, she was very forthcoming with other questions and I did not want to waste her time( I did ask for makeup recommendations, etc.)

DW is a home version, and as such is not powerful enough for many applications, but good enough for an average user.

HTH

free skin care · Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:39 pm

DarkMoon wrote:

Is your recommendation of not using anything with oil because of using the AALS after the Dermawand, or is that true for the dermawand alone as well? Sorry it has been so long since I dug mine out, I've forgotten if that was specified in the dermawand instructions or not!

My thinking was that the oil might block the effect of the electrode as it does with the AALS light. However, Sigma has informed us that we can use oil with the device - if this is the case, this is great because I used to use oil but then stopped for fear I was doing the wrong thing. But you wouldn't want to use oil if you were planning on using the AALS directly afterwards.

IMO the Dermawand and Violet Ray appear to work on the same principal. The Violet Ray is probably a more sophisticated device - the Dermawand is pretty basic.

Sigma - where did you read about using the oil? I had a quick look but couldn't find it. Could you post it here. TIA.

free skin care · Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:59 pm

Kelilu,

I just read the instructions that came with mine and all it says is you can use your favorite moisturizer when using the unit, nothing is mentioned about not using an oil based moisturizer. I can see why you would"t use oil if you are using the AALS after, but as far as the Derma Wand alone there isn't even a hint that the moisturizer needs to be free of oil!

HTH
DM

free skin care · Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:56 pm

Keliu,

I can not post it here, since it was many years ago in Europe in a class for professional beauticians ( I was allowed to sit and listen to the lectures and even participate in practical exercises - that is how I know how to do various facial massages - dry, vibration, classical, etc.; but I never practiced it so many things had long been forgotten).

They mostly used it after the extraction on dry face with medicinal powder. I have never seen
it being used on a cream or oil. I also have never heard it to be a problem either. The mechanism of action is very different from AALS, so the same rules do not apply.

Tonya recommends using it on top of the facial cream, and she usually does a very thorough research.

The contra indications for any high frequency devices are - facial hair and broken capillaries.

HTH

free skin care · Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:57 pm

Thanks Sigma! I don't have my instructions for the Dermawand anymore, but I'm pretty sure they say to use it on bare skin, apply moisturiser, then use it again to help penetrate the moisturiser. Anyway, I'm going to try using it with oil again.

Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:20 am

Canadian Girl wrote:

Hello,
I recently bought a dermawand and have only used it once, but I am worried- I hear that it stimulates hair growth.
I don't want to end up with a mustache or a beard! Has anyone who has used the dermawand for a long time noticed an increase in facial hair??

Hi, there.

I purchased Derma Wand about 2 years ago. Well, it was more like a birthday present from my husband because I told him I wanted one.

I used it religiously for about a couple of months. It does improve the texture of the skin. It made my skin also less oily. I cannot attest to its claim that it removes wrinkles though. It did make the skin along the side of my mouth "looser" so that when I smile it is no longer as tight, if that makes sense. I really do not know how to descrive it correctly other than it created a crevice along the side of my mouth when I smile. I didn't use to have that.

As for the hair growth. YES. It did stimulate hair growth. The hair on my hairline was starting to thin and I noticed that the hair grew back in that area. I was delighted of course, until I noticed that I also started to grow hair above my upper lip (aka moustache), that now, when I pluck my eyebrows, I pluck there too. Also between my eyes, I developed hair growth. Not that it gave me a unibrow or anything, but I started plucking there too. And yes, this is why I stopped using Derma Wand.

I tried using it again to give it another shot (and also to stimulate hair growth along my hairline) but stopped after only a couple of weeks because I thought I started to think "foggy." Of course that could also have been due to other reasons, but I do not know that for sure.

I would probably give this a go again in the summer next year.

free skin care · Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:48 pm

Keliu wrote:

Thanks Sigma! I don't have my instructions for the Dermawand anymore, but I'm pretty sure they say to use it on bare skin, apply moisturiser, then use it again to help penetrate the moisturiser. Anyway, I'm going to try using it with oil again.

Talking about Dermawand helping penetration of some moisturiser....do you think that Dermawand could help to cut the time we have to wait with C serum? Can it be used for that?

My mornings are so hectic, and I have to wake up much earlier if I want to put all layers on my face in order Laughing

free skin care · Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:39 pm

mirjana,
Hi, Just curious did you read somewhere that there is a specific wait time after applying Vitamin C products? Bear with me but I have used a number of both C serums and creams in conjunction and never did any have instructions to wait other than the same as any serum cream combination. Mine were all just long enough to absorb which just takes a minute then the cream then just makeup if you use it. Did you read a study? Is this new information?
Sorry for all the questions, just trying to see if I missed something along the way. Very Happy

TIA
DM

free skin care · Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:00 pm

The general advice on the Forum is to wait around 20 minutes after applying Vitamin C. I think it has something to do with Ph values. There's a thread somewhere on Ph and wait times so you could do a search for that.

Mirjarna, I know where you're coming from. My morning routine is starting to merge with my evening routine! If I'm in a hurry, I just don't worry about it all - there's only so much a poor woman can do!

free skin care · Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:33 am

DarkMoon wrote:

mirjana,
Hi, Just curious did you read somewhere that there is a specific wait time after applying Vitamin C products? Bear with me but I have used a number of both C serums and creams in conjunction and never did any have instructions to wait other than the same as any serum cream combination. Mine were all just long enough to absorb which just takes a minute then the cream then just makeup if you use it. Did you read a study? Is this new information?
Sorry for all the questions, just trying to see if I missed something along the way. Very Happy

TIA
DM

Well, I didn't read any study about this, as Keliu said it is general advice for using C serum here on this forum. I found it almost everywhere in threads where C serum is mentioned. For an example in DYI serum C thread, and I think that is one thread exclusively about that.
I start to use C serum since I found this forum

and all my knowledge for now is from posts here.

So I started with it, and it is really bother me to wake from the bed one hour earlier to do everything by order....yes yes I know that I am a bit lazy, but I always go to bed very late in the evening so every minute in the morning are very precious time for me Cool

So I wandered if Dermawand can help to speed up a little absorbing of C serum.

free skin care · Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:05 am

Here's the thread I was referring to:

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=18360&highlight=ph+wait

free skin care · Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:11 am

Keliu wrote:

Here's the thread I was referring to:

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=18360&highlight=ph+wait

that's the one Idea

I think I will print some posts from that thread - OMG,we have to be sort of scientists to have a nice skin Smile

free skin care · Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:20 am

mirjana, Kelilu,

Thanks for posting the information and the link!
As I said no instructions on purchased C products I used in the past ever mentioned a "wait" time I will read the thread and check out the research about this! I don't want to go through the effort of using a C product just to nullify the effect we are all
using it for! Smile

mirjana,
I understand the morning rush after late hours all too well!

Thanks again to both of you gals!
DM

free skin care · Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:52 am

DarkMoon wrote:

mirjana, Kelilu,

Thanks for posting the information and the link!
As I said no instructions on purchased C products I used in the past ever mentioned a "wait" time I will read the thread and check out the research about this! I don't want to go through the effort of using a C product just to nullify the effect we are all
using it for! Smile

Same here, I bought Double C serum from Natural Wealth and it came with instruction to put it on the clean skin and wait to be absorbed than follow with some moisturiser...of course it means you have to know how long really you have to wait Bad Grin

it is not manufacturer's problem.

Well, thread Keliu linked here ends with suspicion of on forum member in information Tangal is posted because she didn't find any of this mentioned in the any product instruction. I think that is problem indeed.
We are spending so much money on various beauty products and sellers don't even care about giving relevant information and instructions. But...so many people I know don't even care about that,don't even think on this analytical way I found in this forum - that's why I am so impressed with this place.

Our doctors don't tell us always all we have to know about medicals which they prescribed to us. I always try to find some information on the Internet or books when I deal with some unknown and stronger medicine. And I think that's the same with this beauty concoctions - learn because manufacturers don't really care.

free skin care · Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:01 am

P.S. I throw Natural Wealth Double C serum down in the toilet Cool

He was yellow coloured and instruction said nothing about instability and possibility of oxidation ( or results of using serum which is oxidised). I was thinking why some serums are coloured...sure because than you can't even noticed oxidation sign so easy and you will continue to use it.

I made my own C-serum by Keliu recipe found here on EDS. Now I will know Wink

free skin care · Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:01 pm

*mirjana* wrote:

Talking about Dermawand helping penetration of some moisturiser....do you think that Dermawand could help to cut the time we have to wait with C serum? Can it be used for that?

My mornings are so hectic, and I have to wake up much earlier if I want to put all layers on my face in order Laughing

Cross-posting this information from the thread regarding wait times and product application:

This discussion is somewhat dated, but because many members follow the advice given in this thread regarding wait times for Vitamin C serums, I thought I would let you all know what I was able to find on the topic.

The Skinceuticals website has this to say regarding instructions:

AM REGIMEN

Step 1: Cleanse & Tone
Use a SkinCeuticals cleanser and toner as directed by your skincare professional or by following the directions on the package.

Step 2: Antioxidant Treatment
Apply a thin layer of a SkinCeuticals antioxidant serum to the entire face, neck, and chest, avoiding eye area. Allow 3-5 minutes before applying additional products.
Step 3: Hydrate, Lighten or Calm
Apply 2-3 drops of SkinCeuticals Hydrating B5 Gel, Phyto+, or Phyto Corrective Gel to the entire face, neck, and chest, avoiding eye area.

Step 4: Moisturize
Use a SkinCeuticals moisturizer as directed by your skincare professional or following the directions on the package.

Step 5: Sun Protection
Use a broad-spectrum a SkinCeuticals sunscreen as directed by your skincare professional or following the directions on the package.

I believe Skinceuticals is a reliable source of information regarding wait times with respect to Vitamin C and other antioxidant serums. Their advice contradicts the 15-20 minute wait time suggested. HTH

http://www.skinceuticals.com/_us/_en/catalog/regimen/am-regimen.aspx

free skin care · Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:35 pm

*mirjana* wrote:

So I wandered if Dermawand can help to speed up a little absorbing of C serum.

Derma Wand emits ozone, which equals oxygen, which degrades vitamin C, so it's not advisable to use it after applying your C serum. (This is my common sense talking, and based on my knowledge of DW and C serums.)

As far as the 'wait' time before applying anything over your C serum, it's because in a perfect C serum (which contains L-AA, water + vit E oil) it needs to be at a pH of 3.5 of lower (preferably under 3) to penetrate both the water + lipid parts of your cells. If you apply anything else before it has penetrated your skin, you will likely disturb the required pH, and prevent total absorption of your C serum..

10 minutes is more than enough wait time, for a typical water/oil serum to penetrate the epidermis and probably the upper dermis.

free skin care · Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:58 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

*mirjana* wrote:

So I wandered if Dermawand can help to speed up a little absorbing of C serum.

Derma Wand emits ozone, which equals oxygen, which degrades vitamin C, so it's not advisable to use it after applying your C serum. (This is my common sense talking, and based on my knowledge of DW and C serums.)

As far as the 'wait' time before applying anything over your C serum, it's because in a perfect C serum (which contains L-AA, water + vit E oil) it needs to be at a pH of 3.5 of lower (preferably under 3) to penetrate both the water + lipid parts of your cells. If you apply anything else before it has penetrated your skin, you will likely disturb the required pH, and prevent total absorption of your C serum..

10 minutes is more than enough wait time, for a typical water/oil serum to penetrate the epidermis and probably the upper dermis.

I see once again you are disagreeing with industry experts, including the developers of the most popular and patented Vitamin C product. I refer to Skinceuticals C E Ferulic of course.

You comment that "10 minutes is more than enough time to wait" confuses me, since you wrote this a mere 5 days ago on the LightStim thread:

"As with most good things in life a little preparation (rather than just digging in) yields the best results (IMHO).. With that in mind, I prepare as follows prior to my massage ritual.

- nice warm bath or shower or if time doesn't permit, than a good warm/hot water cleanse to start things moving and make my skin responsive to treatment... (Increasing the circulation to the skin is probably the best gift you can give it!)

- spritz face with distilled water

- apply my active of choice for the day which I alternate (CP's or Green Tea day 1, 3 or 5... Vitamin C, Hydroxy/Lactic or any other acids the even days.. (For me, one day a week is free from everything!)

-I allow whatever active I've applied absorb for 30 minutes or so, then I apply my oils ...."

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