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Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:40 pm  |
| jasminerosey 1 wrote: |
so...ozone is a natural substance without which there would be no life on earth (except maybe very very rudimentary forms)...same as water. oxygen and ...other 'essentials' for life....basically it is present in absolutely all outdoor air..where it cleans up environmental contamination (chemical & bacterial) both created by nature continually...and now of course...by humans as well.
when there is an extreme amount of outdoor pollutants...which can be created by nature...but is generally created by humans..there is an equally extreme amount of ozone... of necessity...created to clean the air of the pollutants.
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Everyone should read this article for the facts about ozone:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OzoneWeBreathe/ |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:40 pm |
This article is for those who are interested in knowing more about the use of ozone.
Ozone: Good or Bad?
Some amazing things happen when three atoms of oxygen dance together, like three little girls holding each other's hands in ring-around-the-rosie. Those familiar with Italian art may see that as the three muses in Botticelli's Primavera. Oxygen atoms dancing in threesomes ( ozone in common language) have the potential of both seriously threatening human health as well as saving lives of the very sick. Such is the mystery of oxygen in a ring-around-the-rosie!
Ozone is a good player. Ozone is a bad player. I read articles published by public health officials warning readers about the dangers of rising levels of ozone in smog. They write about ozone toxicity and consider it as one of the important factors in the rising incidence of lung disorders, including asthma, in polluted cities. That makes ozone bad. Then I hear scientists on TV forecasting doom because there is not enough ozone up in the sky. They show maps of gaping holes in the ozone layer. They teach us that ozone in the sky protects us from cancer-causing ultraviolet rays in sunlight, and that we get skin cancer when holes in the ozone layer fail to block those rays. That makes ozone a good player. Many people do not seem to realize that ozone in pure form and ozone mixed with pollutants behave differently. (Furthermore, the ozone layer in the stratosphere has a different impact on humans than that on a beach.)
Ozone is an oxidant. Ozone is an antioxidant. "Of course, ozone is an oxidant. That's basic chemistry," the chemists chime, in supporting drug doctors. "Don't those quacks who inject ozone into the blood understand something that simple? Doesn't everyone know we need antioxidants such as vitamin C and E to protect our tissues from oxidative injury? Don't they know anything about science?" That shows ozone is an oxidant. "Yes, ozone is an oxidant in a test tube," the ozone therapists refuse to yield. "The point is that ozone works for the chronically ill, whether it is oxidant or antioxidant." So the proponents of ozone therapy are steadfast in their defense of the empirical value of their chosen therapy.
For several years, I sided with the chemists on the above issue. How could I reject established chemistry? So I stayed clear of ozone and hydrogen peroxide therapies. But then I conducted some other experiments and, to my great surprise, found that ozone and hydrogen peroxide serve as antioxidant therapies in patients with fibromyalgia and CFS, even though both substances are potent oxidants in a test tube. This phenomenon thus demonstrates another aspect of the amazing dual roles of oxygen. In 1998, I published my observations about the apparent paradox of an in vitro (in the laboratory) oxidant serving as a powerful in vivo (in the body) antioxidant therapy in fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome in The Journal of Integrative Medicine.12 The abstract of that paper is included in the appendix of this book, and the full article is included in the companion volume, Canary Three: Fibromyalgia Is an Oxidative-Dysoxygenative Disorder ( ODD).
Ozone is a dangerous gas. Ozone is a safe gas. I see most mainstream doctors cringe when they hear about intravenous injections of ozone. They imagine patients collapsing with strokes as bubbles of the gas block small blood vessels in their brains. "How can anyone can be that stupid to inject a toxic gas straight into the blood of a living person?," they ask with indignation. That makes ozone a dangerous gas. "Ozone is safe," ozone therapists counter. "Why don't those closed-minded drug doctors simply talk to patients who receive ozone therapy? They will find out that no one keels over after an ozone infusion." That makes ozone a safe gas to inject.
Years ago, I was curious about that controversy. So I thought of a simple experiment and conducted it several times. Immediately after injecting ozone into a vein, I pulled on the plunger of the syringe. What I got back was bright red ozonated blood, not dark vein blood with gas bubbles trapped in it. I found out that ozone diffuses rapidly into the blood and cannot lead to gas bubbles trapped in blood vessels in the brain, or for that matter anywhere else.
Ozone is a useless therapy. Ozone is a valuable therapy. "There is no known scientific evidence that ozone works for anything. If there were any evidence, why wouldn't The New England Journal of Medicine publish such evidence?," the drugs doctors tell their patients. That makes ozone therapy quackery. "The scientific evidence of efficacy is not known to you because you are ignorant of holistic literature," the ozone therapists respond with sarcasm. "There are hundreds of published papers that demonstrate the many clinical benefits of ozone therapies. Why don't you read those papers?" That makes ozone useful.
My personal experience supports ozone therapists. Ozone gives me positive results in the majority of the patients for whom I use that therapy.
Ozone is a toxic free radical. Ozone enhances tissue oxygenation. "Ozone is a powerful free radical," the professors teach medical students. "Free radicals lacerate every living thing in their way. Why would anyone ever damage circulating blood by putting into it a powerful free radical such as ozone? How can twenty, thirty or fifty milliliters of ozone improve oxygen supply to tissues that receive 5,000 or so milliliters of blood every minute?," they ask with patronizing smiles. That makes ozone a sharp dagger. "Silly professor stuff!," the ozone therapists hit back. "Why don't those professors simply try it and find for themselves whether or not ozone works? Why don't they get off their high horses and for once do some honest work? Ozone works. We know that. Our patients know that. Those professors can do that as well if only they were serious enough to test ozone therapy." That makes ozone an oxygenator.
Many, but not all, of my patients tell me that ozone therapy lifts their brain fog and they can think clearly. Of course, ozone alone does not cure anything. This is one of the explanations of the paradox of oxidant ozone serving as antioxidant therapy. By improving tissue oxygenation, ozone diminishes oxidosis.
Ozone tightens arteries. Ozone opens up arteries. "Ozone is an irritant, and irritants cause arteries to tighten up, not open up," the academics weigh in the debate. That makes ozone a vasoconstrictor. "Nonsense!" cry out ozone therapists in rebuttal. "Ozone commonly creates a flush effect if given rapidly. That indicates opening up of blood vessels, and not tightening them up." That makes ozone a vasodilator. Many of my patients report a desirable sense of warmth in their tissues after ozone therapy. This is another explanation of the paradox of oxidant ozone serving as antioxidant therapy. By improving tissue blood supply, ozone counters anoxia and oxidosis.
Ozone is useless for viral infections. Ozone is an effective antiviral therapy. "Ozone may have some antiviral activity in a test tube, but it has not been proven effective clinically," the drug doctors argue. When using that argument, they seem not to be troubled by the fact that they reverse themselves and speak against their laboratory findings. Taken at its face value, that makes ozone useless for viral infections. "Come and we will show you falling viral counts after ozone therapy," the ozone folks challenge. That makes ozone an effective antiviral agent. Of course, drug doctors consider it beneath their dignity to study the clinical histories of patients of ozone therapists.
I see significant drops in the viral counts of my patients with HIV and hepatitis infections after treatment with ozone and/or hydrogen peroxide infusions. This is yet another explanation of the paradox of oxidant ozone serving as antioxidant therapy. Viruses cause cellular injury by causing oxidative cell membrane injury. By reducing the viral load, ozone counters oxidosis.
Ozone is worthless for wounds. Ozone is good for wound healing. Ozone is ineffective for severe immune disorders. Ozone is beneficial in treatment of such disorders, including lupus, multiple sclerosis, vasculitis, and others. Ozone is voodoo treatment for cancer. Ozone is a good therapy to include in a program for controlling cancer. Those controversies have raged for decades.
My view of those debates is this: The academics are right in pure theory. The ozone therapists are right in empirical observations. The trick, of course, is to figure out how oxygen in a ring-around-the- rosie does so many seemingly contradictory things. Ozone rapidly turns into hydrogen peroxide which, in turn, brings to life (turns on) many antioxidant enzyme systems.20-22 So it is that what I write above for ozone is also true of hydrogen peroxide. Again, I refer the advanced and professional readers to my in-depth discussion of the paradoxical effects of ozone and hydrogen peroxide in Canary Three: Fibromyalgia Is an Oxidative-Dysoxygenative Disorder ( ODD). |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:10 pm |
| Okay as for using ASG to change the wine. Sounds almost biblical, doesn't it? Lol. Anyway, what you would do is spray the palms of your hands three times and rub them together. Now place your hands around the glass wine bottle and wait for 30 seconds. After the 30 seconds, the wine is transformed and tastes more smooth. This also works for other liquids. But now that I have the ion carafe I make my coffee with it. But if my DH makes the coffee with regular filtered water, I use the new declustering magnet gadget around the coffee in an insulated mug so as to not break down the magnets properties. (per manufactuers instruction for hot beverages.) This also softens and seems to make the coffee non-acidic. ASG would do the same thing, but I hate to waste it!! |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:15 pm |
| aprile wrote: |
| Okay as for using ASG to change the wine. Sounds almost biblical, doesn't it? Lol. Anyway, what you would do is spray the palms of your hands three times and rub them together. Now place your hands around the glass wine bottle and wait for 30 seconds. After the 30 seconds, the wine is transformed and tastes more smooth. This also works for other liquids. But now that I have the ion carafe I make my coffee with it. But if my DH makes the coffee with regular filtered water, I use the new declustering magnet gadget around the coffee in an insulated mug so as to not break down the magnets properties. (per manufactuers instruction for hot beverages.) This also softens and seems to make the coffee non-acidic. ASG would do the same thing, but I hate to waste it!! |
Aprile,
Where did you get your declustering magnets? |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:44 pm |
| Ahahahaha!!! Aprile, I just tried the wine trick but I did a blind test. I poured 2 glasses of the same nasty stale wine. Then I did the ASG on only one of them. I put a bread tie around the ASG glass and then blindfolded myself and switched the glasses around until I forgot which was which. I took a sip of the first glass and thought, "that tastes good, maybe this wine wasn't as stale as I thought." Then, I drank from the second glass and got a mouthful of nasty stale wine. I knew the first one was the ASG glass before I even took the blindfold off. When I saw it really was the ASG glass, I just had to laugh. This ASG stuff is nuts. It makes no sense at all! Aprile, how did you come up with the wine trick? |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:50 pm |
| LOLOLOLOLOL, this is funny... i guess it's the silly season... |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:57 pm |
Mariposa - I bought them along with the ionizing carafe atwww.showerfilterstore.com. Very cool. I also have their oxygenation shower filter AND the bath ball. I orginally bought the shower filter because of the chlorine and to protect my 16-year old son who takes super long showers. The added bonus was that it makes my skin feel fabulous ... no more itchy dry winter skin!!!
Here's the link to the magnets:
https://www.showerfilterstore.com/shop/aquatomic-de-clustering-water-magnets/
Take care,
Aprile
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:59 pm |
| Tonia wrote: |
| Ahahahaha!!! Aprile, I just tried the wine trick but I did a blind test. I poured 2 glasses of the same nasty stale wine. Then I did the ASG on only one of them. I put a bread tie around the ASG glass and then blindfolded myself and switched the glasses around until I forgot which was which. I took a sip of the first glass and thought, "that tastes good, maybe this wine wasn't as stale as I thought." Then, I drank from the second glass and got a mouthful of nasty stale wine. I knew the first one was the ASG glass before I even took the blindfold off. When I saw it really was the ASG glass, I just had to laugh. This ASG stuff is nuts. It makes no sense at all! Aprile, how did you come up with the wine trick? |
I heard about it first from Jim at Ageless Secret, but another member here who also enjoys her wine said it worked as well. VERY COOL STUFF!!!! |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:59 pm |
Following is a promo of ASG posted by Bethany on another thread... people in the promo use ASG, so you please view n see what ASG can do for your face, IMO, NADA @ all! They all look haggard not to mention old...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIi5o-bYKNE |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:04 pm |
| daler wrote: |
Following is a promo of ASG posted by Bethany on another thread... people in the promo use ASG, so you please view n see what ASG can do for your face, IMO, NADA @ all! They all look haggard not to mention old...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIi5o-bYKNE |
If you see no difference, then don't use it, and let those that do like it, enjoy it. 😊 |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:07 pm |
| Tonia wrote: |
| daler wrote: |
Following is a promo of ASG posted by Bethany on another thread... people in the promo use ASG, so you please view n see what ASG can do for your face, IMO, NADA @ all! They all look haggard not to mention old...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIi5o-bYKNE |
If you see no difference, then don't use it, and let those that do like it, enjoy it. 😊 |
my post was not directed towards people who are enjoying it, if it was not obvious to you. |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:10 pm |
| daler wrote: |
| Tonia wrote: |
| daler wrote: |
Following is a promo of ASG posted by Bethany on another thread... people in the promo use ASG, so you please view n see what ASG can do for your face, IMO, NADA @ all! They all look haggard not to mention old...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIi5o-bYKNE |
If you see no difference, then don't use it, and let those that do like it, enjoy it. 😊 |
my post was not directed towards people who are enjoying it, if it was not obvious to you. |
No, it wasn't obvious. Thank you for clarifying. |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:50 pm |
Here is Jim Kaszyk, who Intellius.com says is 65 years old: (That's only 17 years older than I am.) Look at his wrinkles and sunken cheeks.
Now, either he uses ASG and still looks this bad OR he doesn't use something he's selling as "most incredible breakthrough in Anti-aging Skin Care" (quote taken directly from http://agelesssecret.com). In either case, he is a horrible "example" for what the product supposedly can do. |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:57 pm |
Re.: ozone therapy - I had seen and experienced first hand incredible benefits of ozone therapies (both dental and intro-muscular injections as a a part of Autohemotherapy); at the same time I would strongly advice against intro-venous injections of ozone unless the person knows that they do not have PFO (a hole between left and right side of the heart; about 25% of population do have it and do not know) - that is based on a personal experience (I ended up in a hospital and nearly had a stroke; I was unaware that I had it).
HTH |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:09 pm |
While it may seem immensely appealing to show one's superiority by pointing out the mistakes and "ignorance" of others there is a much simpler solution - if one does not like a product (ASG, or any other) one does not need to use it or comment on it more then once (or twice at the most to respect the rest of the community); the few who like the product can happily continue with it.
I bought ASG, and it did nothing for me; but that is strictly my experience. Very few things ever work for me.
That is why I am interested to learn what works for others, and may be find something suitable for me.
I will be trying the gel that Kassy had recommended; am very interested in what other products JR and Tonia and Mariposa are using and found helpful; and just may be one of them will work for me.
Best of luck to all! |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:15 pm |
| sigma wrote: |
While it may seem immensely appealing to show one's superiority by pointing out the mistakes and "ignorance" of others there is a much simpler solution - if one does not like a product (ASG, or any other) one does not need to use it or comment on it more then once (or twice at the most to respect the rest of the community); the few who like the product can happily continue with it.
I bought ASG, and it did nothing for me; but that is strictly my experience. Very few things ever work for me.
That is why I am interested to learn what works for others, and may be find something suitable for me.
I will be trying the gel that Kassy had recommended; am very interested in what other products JR and Tonia and Mariposa are using and found helpful; and just may be one of them will work for me.
Best of luck to all! |
I don't have a problem with people using stuff they feel works for them. Everyone is different, after all. What I do have a problem with is people like Jim Kaszyk selling something for $99 a bottle that is supposed to be some sort of "anti aging breakthrough" when he, himself, looks so old and haggard (and based on what I saw on his website he does use the product). So what, exactly, does this expensive product do? |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:42 pm |
Angela,
I have no idea what his product does, since it did not work for me. It seems that there are people for whom it does do something, and they remain committed to his product for years (like JR) and do not have objections to his price point.
However, he is not posting here promoting his product. While I understand your point, and I am sure so does anyone who reads this thread, it does seem to be excessive to post about it again and again, when simply stating the point would be quite sufficient.
It would be most advantageous to all of us if we can concentrate on what had worked for some in hope to find solution to our problems.
As I said before - I am interested to know what holistically inclined people use with Pico; what other products were found to be beneficial. I would not expect all of them to work for me, but would be very happy if some of them did.
HTH |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:44 pm |
| sigma wrote: |
However, he is not posting here promoting his product. While I understand your point, and I am sure so does anyone who reads this thread, it does seem to be excessive to post about it again and again, when simply stating the point would be quite sufficient.
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But he was aggressively promoting his product here not so long ago - but the thread got locked.
Sigma - regarding excessive posting about ASG - why doesn't your argument apply to the proponents of it and not just the naysayers? Just about every thread on EDS gets infiltrated with its praises - and I would point out that this is done by people who appear in promotional videos and promote the product at trade fairs. |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:54 pm |
Keliu - It does apply to both sides; but for every mention of ASG there usually is a flurry of replies. While it is easy to skip over one or two posts it becomes time consuming to skip pages of arguments.
I have very limited time (today is a rare occasion when I am stuck at home because of the snow and am not working), and am trying to learn something, not to prove the point. |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:04 pm |
| sigma wrote: |
Angela,
As I said before - I am interested to know what holistically inclined people use with Pico; what other products were found to be beneficial. I would not expect all of them to work for me, but would be very happy if some of them did.
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Sigma,
I am using the spray (with gloves) and the conductive gel(with the probes) that Neurotris sells. I also am trying the ASG but have not seen any changes from it....it's been about 3 weeks.
I don't have any new products to share about for use with the Pico. I think the Pico works well on its own,and the products are there to assist in the microcurrent function and don't necessarily add much to the results |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:07 pm |
| sigma wrote: |
Keliu - It does apply to both sides; but for every mention of ASG there usually is a flurry of replies. While it is easy to skip over one or two posts it becomes time consuming to skip pages of arguments.
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The reason there is a flurry of replies is because people who have never heard of ASG before deserve to be fully informed - not just take the word of a few.
As for finding something that works with the Pico - microcurrent has been around for decades and has always been used with a conductive gel or, in the case of gloves, with water.
ETA: My own opinion is that the Pico spray and gels are just up-selling and should not necessarily increase the effectiveness of the treatments. |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:17 pm |
Keliu,
I would not be on this thread if I were interested in the obvious.
I am interested in what holistically oriented people like Tonia, Mariposa, JR and others are using.
Since all of the people here are adults it would be reasonable to assume that they are fully capable of doing their own research (even on this forum and others) and would get a complete picture of any product whether it is being touted here or not. Having a desire to share one's wisdom and prevent people from making a mistake is admirable, but when it becomes incessant instead of being helpful it just becomes a nuisance.
Can we, please, now go back to the informative part?
Thank you so much! |
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:53 pm |
| sigma wrote: |
Keliu,
I would not be on this thread if I were interested in the obvious.
I am interested in what holistically oriented people like Tonia, Mariposa, JR and others are using.
Since all of the people here are adults it would be reasonable to assume that they are fully capable of doing their own research (even on this forum and others) and would get a complete picture of any product whether it is being touted here or not. Having a desire to share one's wisdom and prevent people from making a mistake is admirable, but when it becomes incessant instead of being helpful it just becomes a nuisance.
Can we, please, now go back to the informative part?
Thank you so much! |
That's a very snooty reply - and I really wasn't trying to be "clever". I believe Tonia, JR and Mariposa are all using ASG with the Pico - as they've stated earlier. So if it hasn't worked for you (or Mariposa) why are you still interested in what they're doing?
BTW, I also don't consider trying to alter the air we breath or the water and wine we drink, alkalising the body, drinking or dousing the body in Hydrogen Peroxide as "holistic". If you want an example of what is holistic, look at the lives of tribal peoples who live in harmony with nature. |
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:11 am |
| .....and, whilst I think about it, usually the "bleedin' obvious" is the logical way to go with everything in life!!! |
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:35 am |
Keliu -
As Sigma so aptly pointed out - once ASG is even mentioned there is always a flurry of posts. THAT's the problem. It appears with this comment: "BTW, I also don't consider trying to alter the air we breath or the water and wine we drink, alkalising the body, drinking or dousing the body in Hydrogen Peroxide as "holistic". If you want an example of what is holistic, look at the lives of tribal peoples who live in harmony with nature." that you think your opinion is above the opinion of all others. Personally, I take issue with this. This thread was created to share about energy products, not for others to pontificate about how these things don't make sense or couldn't possibly work. People who have never even tried these things should not even post their *opinions* because that's all they are, and as such are worthless.
Now even NEW ASG users are being poked fun at, (Daler). Totally unnecessary I might add. Prey tell, exactly WHAT does that contribute to this discussion? NOTHING!!! Sure, it's fine to respond if you tried a product by saying "this product did not work for me and why." But for the love of God, can't we just leave it at that? BUT you know full well Keliu - that is not what happens. An entire discussion ensues with members (opponents) many of whom HAVEN'T EVEN tried the product to debunk the science behind ASG (Lacy). Other posters (Bethany and now Angela) posting Jim's photo (who btw, suffered from severe acne as a younger man) which cleared tremendously by using ASG. For her to say "In either case, he is a horrible "example" for what the product supposedly can do." is trying to defame the product, without ever trying it herself. IMO this type of *opinion/post* is totally unnecessary. What about his wife, Paula? She looks fantastic and her cheeks are not sunken. Isn't she a wonderful example of what a 64 year old woman can look like? BTW, I believe Jim is now 67.
Further, sometimes products or devices don't work as well because the body isn't properly mineralized. Something which I believe YOU discounted on the old Ageless thread. Senior member, KASSY brought this subject to light when speaking about microcurrent on the microcurrent tips thread. She mentioned that someone who is magnesium deficient will not be able increase ATP, hence no results. I think I speak for others when I say NOW THIS is the type of useful information we want to hear!!
I thank Kassy for sharing that information and for me personally it was quite the eye opener because my own results with Pico have been up and down. Although I knew I was deficient, I didn't realize how it could affect my results with microcurrent. I have since increased by magnesium dose with addition of another source, and my results have significantly improved and my symptoms have subsided even moreso. Another tip I received from Toby was that since I was at the six-month mark with microcurrent, I should cut back on the number of days I use my Pico. She said I could be overstressing my muscles using it every day. Also IF I wanted a quick pick me up to just run over my face quickly for a total of 2 minutes.
All of these things are real tangible tips tips that can help others and further this discussion about energy. The rest is all nonsense rhetoric.
IF you ask me, NEGATIVE banter is truly what is "SAD about EDS" and the REAL reason why so many great EDS members have moved on to other forums."
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