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Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:37 am  |
when starting MSM start with small doses once a day with some food in your stomach of a meal. Taking on an empty stomach can increase stomach upset in some people.
Start with 500 mg. GRADUALLY work up your dose.
Drink lots of water to help flush your system.
MSM is a natural sulfer componant in the human body, it is part of all tissues, and a key componant part of skin, hair, nails, joints, and structer tissues.
I have some links on MSM but need to find them, I will add later.
A little info is here:
www.msm-msm.com andwww.bio-alternatives.net - These are two sites I recomend and but from.
Info on the detox effect, and how to lessen that. http://www.msm-msm.com/faq.html
Messageboard section covers uses of MSM.
http://www.msm-msm.com/board/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=f33df6007409cae587e71eb616c2dfd1
I will add links later I have info on how it helps hair growth and skin pigmentation issues. |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:47 am |
wow thanks tangal--you're the best!!!!!!
you should really have your own website, btw.
I'm so appalled at the manner in which most people present their information on the web.
You are always crystalline clear and so helpful.
Thank you, and I'm sure many others agree. 
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:00 am |
| Uh oh. After reading this thread impulsive me went out and got MSM capsules - I also had to get refills of my other supplements. I just popped 2000mg on a semi empty stomach before reading Tangal's post! Hope I'm not going to feel too sick |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:41 am |
wow! thank you tangal!!
i posted this, went off to shower and tada! my question is answered!
*hugs*
i love this forum |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:02 am |
Thanks Ava.
I sort of do have my own site - I am the head Mod atwww.sunless.com. You will see me posting there daily.
The off topic board is usually where I cover posts of the skincare nature. Plus I handle tons of email from our posters there on this type of subject.
By Profession I work in the Skincare field, which involves tons and tons and tons of research. I work with companys creating new products, or fine-tuning current product.
So I deal with this stuff daily, as well as working with the labs and companys involved. This makes me a stickler for accuracy.
Many of the web info claims can be put out by anyone, and they can say anything with little to back up their claims. I hate that, I want to se the facts that support that info .
There are many issues with proponents on both sites, with conflicting claims. Which I understand. But I want to see the data on both sides, that support both claims. Then I can decide based on the validity of the way the data was gathered.
I have a background in medicinal and lab work, so am well able to read and understand lab data, That helps me a lot!
I am not an expert, just a well educated meticulous lay person. But I have the advantage of being able to actually make some sense out of the tons of stuff they throw at the average consumer – which confounds the heck out of many people. (which is their purpose many times…LOL)
If I can help I will. But I generally avoid posting on many topics here, as I am not interested in being flamed. But if its directed to me, I am always glad to help.
I also work from home, tend to be busy, and handle all the Mod issues on other messageboards, plus tons of emails and phonecalls in relation to my volunteer work, and job issues. So I tend to be a busy pup.
But glad to help in waht little way I can |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:04 am |
| FaithTruth - you will probably be fine. Many people never have stomach upset. I never have, and I started with 2000 mg at a time. (I take 4000 or so now) |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:05 am |
| I saw improvement is less hair fall/shed at two weeks. But skin took 4 weeks, and lashs took 6 weeks. But improvement got better after that. |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:17 am |
| ***off to filter through my 6000 saved links to find MSM studies*** |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:34 am |
| Is there any side affects? Can MSN alter any type of medicationg that you could be taking? |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:47 am |
It does not seem to negatively effect medications in most cases. And many people find they can lower medication doses, as their body functions improve. This is especially true of joint and migraine pain medications, allergy medications etc. (MSM helps treat those issues)
Of course do discuss your specifics with your Dr or Pharmacist to confirm that it will not present an issue for your health and medication concerns, as I am not a qualified medical professional.
Side effects are temporary, related to the detox issues when you first use it, or first up your doses. It is less toxic then water.
The link I posted above on the De-Tox is a good read about that. Also review the messageboard link I posted for more details, on possible issues with different health concerns or meds. You may need to adjust your dose for your specific situation. You can also email Kerry on the MSM-MSM.com site. (hes the owner, posts on the board, and you can reach him through the Contact link) He is very friendly, knowledgeable and very very helpful.
If you have a damaged or weak liver or kidney issues, do take small doses and move up very slowly so as not to overwhelm your waste removal system with to many toxins at once.
MSM does not build up in the body, it flushes out with your urine, with a half life of 12 hours. Which is why you should take a dose every 12 hours to keep levels high. A compromised waste removal system can change this timeframe.
Many take amounts as high as 50,000 mg or more, for disease treatments, without side effects. (I don’t recommend that level unless under a Dr care of course) |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:55 am |
| Tangal wrote: |
It does not seem to negatively effect medications in most cases. And many people find they can lower medication doses, as their body functions improve. This is especially true of joint and migraine pain medications, allergy medications etc. (MSM helps treat those issues)
Of course do discuss your specifics with your Dr or Pharmacist to confirm that it will not present an issue for your health and medication concerns, as I am not a qualified medical professional.
Side effects are temporary, related to the detox issues when you first use it, or first up your doses. It is less toxic then water.
The link I posted above on the De-Tox is a good read about that. Also review the messageboard link I posted for more details, on possible issues with different health concerns or meds. You may need to adjust your dose for your specific situation. You can also email Kerry on the MSM-MSM.com site. (hes the owner, posts on the board, and you can reach him through the Contact link) He is very friendly, knowledgeable and very very helpful.
If you have a damaged or weak liver or kidney issues, do take small doses and move up very slowly so as not to overwhelm your waste removal system with to many toxins at once.
MSM does not build up in the body, it flushes out with your urine, with a half life of 12 hours. Which is why you should take a dose every 12 hours to keep levels high. A compromised waste removal system can change this timeframe.
Many take amounts as high as 50,000 mg or more, for disease treatments, without side effects. (I don't recommend that level unless under a Dr care of course) |
I have to admit that I am not familiar with MSN...can you tell me if this is sold in Canada, like Walmart or Shoppers Drug Mart? |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:22 am |
MSM is short for Methylsulfonylmethane, it is a natural sulfur found in all body fluids and tissues. It is needed to sustain life and health, but hard to get in food sources, as cooking and processing remove it.
It can benefit one in many ways including: “...effective solution for … degenerative arthritis, chronic back pain, chronic headache, muscle pain, fibromyalgia, tendinitis and bursitis, carpal tunnel syndrome, TMJ, post-traumatic pain and inflammation, and allergies.”
Other claims-“Arthritis, Cancer, Dermititis, Gangrene, Lead Poisoning, Paget’s Disease, & TMJ. Very Important for Bronchitis, Fibromyalgia, Fracture, Multiple Sclerosis, Osteoporosis, Periodontal Disease, Prostatitis, Sprains, & Wrinkles. Important for Abscess, Allergies, Backache, Psoriasis, Seborrea, Thrombophlebitis, Warts, Wilson’s Disease and helpful for Autism, Bursitis, Cystic Fibrosis, Gout, Hair Loss, Headache, Heartburn/Reflux, Bone Spur, Sinusitis, & Vitiligo.”
I find it beneficial for hair, nail growth and skin health. It can help breakup skin pigment patches and freckles. Because it helps inflammation it is wonderful for the skin, as many skincare issues are related to inflammation either product, environment or diet related.
(Dr N Perricone stresses this in his studies and books)
It helps enhance immune system function, waste removal, and helps all cells in the body absorb nutrients better and filter waste better.
It is non toxic, and rarely causes allergy issues. People with Sulfa allergies will not react to MSM. They are not the same thing.
It can be used as a supplement or cream.
MSM is available form many sources,. Some concerns, many caps contain fillers. As much as 33% of total product volume.
And most MSM sources are from foreign Asian labs, Which can contain heavy metal residues, which is not great.
Because they are not tested by third party USA or Canadian sources, you have less guaranty of metal free products.
Best recommendations are from USA sources, or those with strict third party testing, which have stronger quality control.
Look for labels with the following logos which are good options. These are both tested by third part independent firms to confirm purity and lack of metal residues.
Lignisul MSM or OptiMSM should appear on your label.
The MSM link I provided uses those brands. NSI from Vitacost uses those brands also and is an excellent source.
Bio-alternatives use another brand, but independent third party testing.
It should be available in most health food and Drug stores, in the USA. Not sure on Canada.
Some USA Walmarts carry it, not all. |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:50 am |
Some info from online - I can’t personally comment on validity of these claims. But info to look at anyway.
I personally don’t think MSM is a cure all as some claim. But it can be benificial.
Info on MSM and Hyper pigmentation
http://skincarerx.com/phorum/read.php?3,21783
What is MSM? - for all the newcomers
Posted by: Moderator (24.73.65.---)
Date: July 5, 2006 02:39PM
Posted earlier today by Jesse and originally posted by Ness Wild
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Author: Ness (---.mirashade.com)
Date: 09-17-02 09:05
Hi to all newcomers!
This info has been copied/modified and updated (8 months in on this experiment and it has been necessary to update the info accordingly due to relevant feedback/queries etc) from older identical threads that I have posted intermittently which are now on an older pages of this forum and it is for all newcomers to MSM only who may not have come across these older threads - please do not tag onto or reply to this thread. Once you have read the info required, if you choose to try this treatment out as well, just tag onto the other threads for chat/extra queries/results to share etc....
The following is all you should need to know regarding MSM brands and dosage guidelines etc along with info about some fairly minor side effects that you may just experience whilst taking it:
(Firstly though, as I am sure most of you already have done, do read all threads related to MSM for the full picture; you will obtain plenty of info from these threads and will come across many girls who share your situation (site of melasma, whether or not they too are responding to MSM, whether the drugs/BCP’s they have to still take are hindering their results etc) and they will prove to contain invaluable advice/tips for you that we have all shared.)
A few common questions are also highlighted along with the necessary info:
a) ‘Will it help melasma of the upper lip too like it does for those with melasma elsewhere on the face?’ Yes it could do, even for that of the body.
b) ‘Will it affect/interfere with the medication I have to currently take?’ No, not at all.
c) ‘Is it safe?’ It has been shown to have 1/7 the toxicity of table salt. i.e. it’s 7 times safer than table salt. In a study done on humans, MSM was shown to have no negative side effects at 1 g/kg body weight. That means around 68 g/day for a 150 Ib (pound weight) person. N.B. Do not take at the same time as blood thinning or blood pressure medication and aspirin, or if you have epilepsy or any kidney disorder without first consulting your GP, physician or nurse.
d) ‘What is it?’ A nutrient - an organic compound that is as essential as oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen and carbon needed by the body for good health and proper and normal cellular-function - crucially, it no longer appears to be abundantly available in our over-processed and refined foods and little is found in the over-farmed soils too - with this decline seems to have come an increase in ailments and disease.
e) ‘I am allergic to sulphites/DMSO etc, will I have a reaction with MSM?’ No, do not get confused between the two. MSM is an organic sulphur and a vital nutrient. MSM presents organic sulphur in a form that the body can readily assimilate. It is a dietary metabolite of DMSO, however, whilst they both possess similar biomedical properties, MSM does not produce the unpleasant side effects that can be observed with DMSO. Sulpha-based drugs do not occur naturally and are used for the same purposes as antibiotics. Many people are allergic to sulpha drugs, however, no similar reactions have ever been reported with MSM. A third type of sulphur, the yellow elemental sulphur from chemistry class, can also be toxic to some individuals. You may, however, only get a rash if you take too much too soon and/or increase your dose too quicky.
f) ‘Can everyone take it, even young kids and the elderly?’ So it seems but those with kidney complaints or taking blood thinning medication need to check with their doctors first - anyone else who is uncertain must do the same. However, MSM can in some instances (e.g. those on blood pressure lowering treatment) actually replace their medication and do an even better job, so...no more chemical drugs! Always do web research on your personal medical situation and type in MSM along with the name of eg: your ailment, in your search engine - you may find out that others are benefitting from supplementing with MSM as it is. For example: some who already are benefitting from MSM have blood pressure problems, epilepsy, acne, rosacea, diabetes etc.
g) ‘Does it smell/taste awful?’ No, PURE brands are odourless and the powder/crystals have a slightly bitter taste when dissolved in water which wanes over time to the point that you will hardly taste it any more. This shows that you have adjusted to it. If disliked, flavour your drinks with cordial/juice.
h) ‘Is it better to take powder/crystals or tablets/capsules?’ Personally, I think powder/crystals (UNLESS you are taking/want to try MSM Max - an excellent freeze-dried (not encapsulated form) 99.99% pure tablet with NOTHING else added at all which is stronger and I would recommend taking it after having gotten the body adjusted first to the ordinary strength powder unless you are the brave sort or don’t have any adverse side effects with MSM at all) as it is more readily available to the body and less likely to contain fillers. You can also add the powder/crystals to a base to make a great topical - see below for details. Add the powder/crystals to or take the tablets/capsules with a tall glass of water and take at the same time as a meal/food (dose guidelines below). You can also take Vitamin C (Ester-C is the best form) at the same time if you wish to.
i) ‘Is it having a bleaching effect?’ No, all those that it works for know that it is clearing the melasma permanently, and more importantly, safely.
j) How long will it take? It will take a while so have patience! Some see changes in a day, others in a few weeks - but the higher the dose, apparently the better/quicker. Take only your own optimal dose, generally speaking we, on average, have taken between 8-15,000mg/day each during this experiment. Mine is 70% gone and I have been taking MSM for 5 months now. (dose guidelines below)
k) ‘How come it works?’ Lots of possibilities - it is a hormone balancer; a tyrosinase inhibitor; it seems to prevent secondary browning reactions; it elevates cortisol levels; it balances the body ph taking it from a too acidic to a healthier alkaline ph; it removes toxic waste/metals/chemicals from the blood and organs thereby cleansing the body and restoring good health and boosting the immune system etc etc.
l) ‘Will it affect/lighten my overall skin tone as well as the dark patches?’ No, and the newly returned normal skin pigment will not tan abnormally anymore either; it will just tan normally and fade normally like the unaffected surrounding areas of skin, but still use sunscreen of course in order to tan safely. The remaining abnormal brown pigment, that still has to respond, will still darken in the sun with or without sun protection but not as dark as before taking MSM so many of us found - so that was good news.
m) ‘What are the side effects that I should be aware of?’ These symptoms could simply be a detox reaction or just a phase attributed to the body adjusting to MSM: possible water retention/puffiness and bloatedness, sleep pattern disturbances, dry mouth/increased thirst, a transient headache from release of toxins, constipation or loose stools, mild but temporary nausea, wind/gas and a temporary recurrence/flare up of yeast infections if they are dormant (thrush, itchiness etc). N.B.! These symptoms are not experienced by all supplement takers, just a few, and even then it doesn’t last more than a few days or could be experienced for a few hours on the days you increase your dose. Whatever you are ‘going through’ in the first few days is a ‘good’ sign that the MSM is targeting your problem areas ok? The body adjusts quickly and settles down, just drink PLENTY of water!!! Very important! If any of the above reactions are severe, cut the dose back a bit and increase at a steadier and more spaced out rate (dose guidelines below).
n) ‘Is there anything else I should know?’ Well, your hair and nails will grow fast and your skin will become super smooth and clearer; you may notice a reduction in fine lines, mood swings will level off and your overall spirit will improve, you may taste/smell/see better/with more clarity, be sharper-minded, physically stronger, wounds heal quicker, better assimilation and digestion of food, clearer eyes and whiter teeth etc, etc. Everyone benefits in many and different ways....and they will be individual and unique to you and your current health situation - only then can you truly ascertain what has improved on a personal level.
o) ‘Where can I buy it?’ If you live in the US, you could order MSM Sulphur from:www.msm-msm.com or richdistributing.com, these are good quality and very pure brands of MSM or if you find a brand in a local store which is from an organic source and has the ‘OptiMSM’ or ‘Lignisul MSM’ trademarked logos (proof/guarantee of excellent quality) then try those ones. They should be good if they have these stamps of approval on them.
If you live in the UK go to a GNC health store and buy ‘Supasulf’, made by NutriLabs, it’s a mainly white bottle with the trademark ‘OptiMSM’ stamped on it. Alternatively, you could order it online if you don’t have a GNC store nearby at: http://www.msm-uk.net/to_buy_msm.htm, they also take orders from abroad. If you want to try/switch to the crystals, then go online to http://a1msm.com
To buy Rich’s MSM Max (stronger), go to Google and type in ‘Rich’s MSM Max USA’ and buy online - there are a few choices in the USA. In the UK, go to http://www.health-hippo.co.uk/products/msm/ Excellent stuff! And most definitely recommended because of it’s perfect quality and efficacy and this brand will give you your optimal daily dose of pure MSM.
p) ‘How do I take it then?’
All forms of MSM can be taken with or mixed into any flavoured beverage or plain water. The powder, if pure, should dissolve instantly. The crystals tend to dissolve better in just higher-than-room temperatures and take a tad longer than the powder. MSM should be taken with a meal or food. The smallest dose that gives you the most benefit is optimal. More isn’t better, just more. It is best to find, and you will know when you have found it, the dose that works for you as an individual. The body will use only enough MSM to meet it?s full requirements and any excess will be excreted and wasted, so there is no danger of overdosing, just the danger of spending more money than necessary to keep your supplies up. Because the body excretes excess MSM after a 12 hour period, it is best to split the full daily dose throughout your day in order to keep levels up for as long as possible during this treatment.
The dose recommendations given below are a guide only, because we all have different body sizes, weights, health factors and needs. 2000 mg (2 g) tends to work for general maintenance and health. However, more will be required for treating this condition and any other health problems present in order to make sure that not just the overall general requirements of the body are met first and foremost. However, too much too soon can lead to some minor side effects. The more your body needs, the more you will be able to tolerate. An increased dosage may be needed during times of extra stress or illness or when results ‘plateau’, or slow down dramatically because the body has adjusted. This may be the right time to boost your dose a little (eg: by 1g) or introduce your body to MSM Max and get that melasma shifting!!!
1. 1 X 1000 mg capsule/tablet or 1/4 level teaspoon powder/crystals for 2 days with breakfast
2. 2 X 1000 mg capsule/tablet or 1/2 level teaspoon powder/crystals for 2 days with breakfast
3. 3 X 1000 mg capsule/tablet or 1 level teaspoon powder/crystals for 2 days with breakfast
4. 4 X 1000 mg capsule/tablet or 1 slightly raised teaspoon powder/crystals for 2 days with breakfast
5. 5 X 1000 mg capsule/tablet or 1 heaped teaspoon powder/crystals for 2 days with breakfast
On reaching 5000 mg or 1 level teaspoon a day, to supplement further still if desired, the additional doses were taken with lunch and/or dinner in the same format as points 1-5 above, until an optimal dose was found. This varied with each individual but tended to be on average between 8,000 mg and 15,000 mg/day. This dose was maintained for many weeks. Occasionally, circumstances dictated that a lower dose had to be taken for a while, eg: during sickness or travel, but this did not hinder progress in any way.
Some girls found that they were more comfortable increasing their dose at a much more steady rate than that outlined above and they may have taken a few months to reach their optimal dose. It is wise to not rush in order to allow the body to adjust properly.
Rich’s MSM Max is easier to work out your individual requirements with - they recommend you take 1xtablet twice a day per 70 pounds of body weight, so this will help enormously to get the right individual dose as we are all different body sizes and weights. No matter what you decide, always remember, because we have a disease, and something is wrong internally, our needs are greater than the normal healthy individuals who take MSM, so a higher dose than ‘normal’ (one that you feel comfortable with/can tolerate) is necessary during this therapy, afterwards, we can all relax and take a small dose daily if we prefer (eg: 2g a day - can’t wait!)
q) ‘what should I expect to see happening?’
Your melasma patches or macules could start to get tiny fragments, cracks and dots etc appearing in them, that will gradually combine to form larger patches revealing normal-coloured skin. Fading occurs either at the same time or at a later stage. Some women observed the cracks and dots phenomenon, some observed just overall lightening, and others experienced both. Changes will be sporadic, and superficial lighter macules could change before the more stubborn, dermal melasma does or vice versa. All areas responded during the experiment; forehead, cheeks, nose, upper lip, chin and neck.
Progress seems to be rapid initially, and after a few weeks, it plateaus to a more even and steady (sometimes painfully slow) rate. You may experience these occasional ?quiet? days where nothing at all seems to happen for a while; this is normal and does not mean that progress has stopped (time to introduce MSM Max methinks!) It could take many, many months until the macules have disappeared altogether so patience is important. The length of time could depend on your age, overall health, how long you have had melasma and how widespread it is. It will also help if you protect yourself from the sun.
It is advisable to take photos before you start taking MSM, and take them regularly thereafter. This will help you to ascertain whether you are experiencing changes with the MSM or not. A few of us, during ?quiet? moments, had periods of doubt about what we were observing, but the photos proved otherwise, especially when compared with those taken a few months later.
r) ‘How do I make the topical solution?’
MSM creams are readily available in health stores. But to guarantee the highest percentage of MSM available, purity and quality, make your own topical by using your MSM powder or crystals and blending them into a base of your choice. This could be your regular moisturizer, but pure non-sticky aloe vera gel is best, which in itself provides therapeutic benefits for all types of skin conditions.
Add 1 level teaspoon of MSM powder/crystals to every single fluid ounce of base. This will give you a 17% strength topical (the highest possible percentage that is available without the mix turning gritty) to use on the patches daily after washing both morning and night. Stir it well until fully dissolved, this may take a few hours and shake well before each use. It is better absorbed if applied to a non-towel dried (damp) face. Not everybody used a topical solution during the experiment which proved that oral supplementation of MSM provided the most benefit. Whether it was used or not, all remarked on how amazingly soft the skin on the whole became and how other skin problems subsided through it?s regular use.
s) Despite knowing that it caused my melasma, I have to keep taking the pill/prescription drug, will MSM not work for me then?
During the experiment, 4 months in, two girls had to keep taking the birth control pill, and one, a thyroid drug. All observed changes to varying degrees. Some girls realized that the drugs they had to stay on were hampering their progress. Everybody has different results. Regardless of whether you are taking drugs or not, it helps to remember that MSM doesn?t, unfortunately, work for absolutely everyone. However, 5 months in on the experiment, 45 women were having results which is pretty good!
t) Why is it not working for me? There seems to be different ?types? of melasma or hyperpigmentation medically diagnosed as such (colour, pattern, site) coupled with different causative factors. It is unclear exactly how and why, until further extensive clinical studies are undertaken, MSM actually works on a scientific level for some sufferers, and why it doesn?t work for everyone is even more puzzling. Underlying, but more serious health problems could be hindering results and these would need to be tackled first, because getting to the core of any other problem, especially if it precipitated the onset of melasma, could be the key to your recovery. It may be worth trying the following:
A. Improve your diet
B. Increase your water intake
C. Make sure you are taking the optimal dose for your body size, weight and individual health requirements
D. Stop taking, where possible, any prescription drugs that could be responsible for hormone irregularities inducing photosensitivity.
E. Reduce your possible exposure to chemicals both environmental eg: pollution and topical eg: topical creams, sunscreens, makeup etc that may be also be inducing photosensitivity.
F. Getting your hormone levels checked out by an endocrinologist
G. See your GP about whether an underlying disorder eg: Addison?s Disease is present that will require specialist treatment.
My book is going to cover many more questions that I have observed arising out of this experiment and they are written up a damn sight better than this, I promise, as this was a quick ‘knock-up’ for you all. Apologies all round, but I have covered the most important issues regardless, I think. Please post your experiences and share all your exciting news with us all! If you prefer to, you can contact me privately on my e-mail nesswild@yahoo.co.uk many do already so I’m fine about that.
Many thanks and I wish you all the very best of luck!
Ness |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:58 am |
The link above http://skincarerx.com/phorum/read.php?3,21783
also has comments from some who had increased hair loss from MSM.
Usually this stops after two to six weeks, as it is related to increased hair growth, pushing dead hair out of the way from new growth.
But some felt that it was related to toxin circulation in the body. Adjusting doses and oincresaing water is suggested.
I never had either of those issues, so can't addres that really.
A few commented on acne increase at first, again toxin related, that went away. Dose adjustments and wqater should help. Though with any supplimet, if you are sensitive to it, it may also not be "for you" and if acne continues you may need to stop. I have this with Biotin, if I dose to high. But at lower doses I am fine. |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:03 am |
Advertising claims for MSM for hair, skin and nails. But some good info if you can weed through the hype.
http://www.hairboutique.com/tips/tip904.htm
MSM For Healthy Hair, Nails & Skin
Author: Karen Marie Shelton
Date: 12/20/2001 - Revised 5/10/2006
Introduction
You may have heard about MSM. After all, its value as a “super nutrient” has generated some buzz over the past few years. Earl L. Mindell, R.Ph, Ph.D and author of Earl Mindell’s Vitamin Bible has dedicated an entire book to the topic of MSM.
When we created the new HairTopia vitamin at HairBoutique.com we discussed the pros and cons of adding MSM to the formula with many different experts. It was highly recommended by the chemists that we consulted with that we add MSM to the formula because it has been proven to really help with hair growth.
Of course we did not add MSM to HairTopia on a simple whim. We did a lot of research, read a lot of articles and finally decided that MSM would definitely enhance the hair strengthening and growth properties of the HairTopia vitamins. MSM was added to the HairTopia Amino Acid formula.
So what exactly is MSM?
Official MSM is Methylsulfonylmethane. Quite simply MSM is a food that comes from the ocean, is water soluble, and is not a drug, or a food additive. MSM is the 3rd largest ingredient found in the human body.
MSM is a natural form of organic sulfonyl sulfur compound that is found in the fluid of all living organisms. It is present in a variety of foods, including most fresh raw fruits and green vegetables, milk, meat, seafood, and some grains. It is also found in many common beverages such as milk, coffee and tea. It is, in essence, a pure white, odorless, essentially tasteless, water-soluble crystalline solid sulfur powder.
Why does MSM help with the development of longer and stronger hair? Various scientific studies have proven that MSM contributes a definite normalizing effect on body functions.
The sulfur normally provided to the body by MSM is required for healthy collagen and keratin which are essential for healthy hair, skin and nails. MSM also has proven antioxidant benefits which can disrupt or alter damaging chain reactions of lipid peroxidation in the cell membranes.
MSM is considered to be one of the safest substances in biology, similar in toxicity to water. MSM and its related compounds are the source of 85 percent of the sulfur found in all living organisms. Many researchers believe that sulfur, is a sorely neglected mineral nutrient and plays an indispensable role in human nutrition.
MSM is volatile and is easily lost during even moderate processing. Cooking, drying, smoking, pickling, and long-term storage can deplete the MSM content of food. Unless the human diet is composed primarily of raw foods, it is unlikely that sufficient MSM will be ingested to significantly contribute to the nutritional sulfur requirement.
MSM Sulfonyl Is Safe
Sulfonyl Sulfur, which is a key ingredient of MSM, should not be confused with other ingredients like sulfa, sulfite or sulfate. Sulfa, sulfite and/or sulfate are harmful derivatives of the sulfur family which the body does not need and is not in any way included in MSM.
Sulfa is used in wounds to burn and cauterize while sulfites are put in common foods to prevent the bugs from eating them, and sulfates are used in lunch meats and sausages to preserve them.
Some people may be allergic to sulfa’s, sulfites, and sulfates which are part of the sulfur family like MSM.
The sulfonyl in MSM is nutritional, and it is extremely rare that humans are ever allergic to it. Remember, all human bodies require MSM.
What Is DMSO?
MSM should also not be confused with DMSO. Although MSM and DMSO have some similarities, they are also unique in the benefits that they provide.
MSM is DMSO without the bad smelling chemical D1-Methyl. Research chemist Robert Herschler discovered how to oxidize DMSO, causing MSM to crystallize becoming pure and stable. This process made it possible to store MSM and use as needed without the bad taste or smell. The body uses MSM to create new healthy cells.
Vitamins and amino acids work with MSM to repair and create these healthy cells. Without proper levels of MSM, our bodies are unable to build good healthy cells, and this can lead to all sorts of illness.
To maintain good health, we need good flexible, healthy cells. Illness is the result and consequence of a body deficient of materials needed to repair damaged tissue and organs.
To fight this deterioration process we must supplement our diets with MSM to provide the body with the proper building materials to maintain a healthy body.
New Cells 24 Hours A Day
MSM has been proven to be rapidly metabolized by the body. Sulfur is found in all tissues measured within 24 hours of oral ingestion.
The majority of unused and metabolized MSM occurs within 95-100 hours following ingestion, although measurable quantities have been reported in urine 400-450 hours. Sulfur has a rapid turnover in the body. Therefore it is very important to be sure that sulfur be replenished on a regular basis.
If our body doesn’t receive the proper nutrition and the building materials it needs, it will produce unhealthy, dysfunctional cells that are deficient in the basic ingredients that constitute a healthy cell.
The human body is amazing and always tries to heal itself, but with deficient materials, it draws from other resources, and usually takes what it needs from other parts of the body.
If we give the body what it needs to heal itself, it will repair damaged parts and become healthy again. If we want a good flexible cell, capable of maintaining good health, we need to supplement our diets with MSM, to enable the body to heal itself.
Contrary to popular belief, you do not have to take vitamin C along with MSM to make it work. If you are unable to take vitamin C, MSM will still work for you.
No Overdose With MSM.
The body will use what it needs, and after twelve hours, will flush any excess amounts out of the body. If you want to maintain good healthy cells 24 hours a day, it is suggested you take MSM in the morning and evening. The MSM will flush what the body doesn’t retain semi-permanently every twelve hours, and because it is a free radical and foreign protein scavenger. MSM cleans the blood stream, so allergies to food and pollens go away in about 3 or 4 days.
Toxicity studies completed on MSM demonstrated that the compound is remarkably non-toxic. Extremely high dosages, up to 2,000 mg/kg, were utilized for measurement purposes in the toxicity research with no adverse reaction measured.
No Known Side Effects
Acute, intermediate, and long term studies indicate that MSM exhibits very low toxicity, by any route of administration. In fact, MSM has a toxicity profile similar to that of glycerin and water. Aqueous solutions of MSM have been used as safe blood dilutents, demonstrating it to be nonallergenic, nonpyretic, and without adverse pharmacological effect.
MSM has been widely used as a dietary supplement without any reports of allergy or intolerance related to its use. Supplements of MSM are comfortably assimilated without side effects. There are no known contraindications.
MSM is odorless and does not produce intestinal gas or body odor which may occur with some other forms of sulfur.
HairTopia & MSM
The only side effects of taking MSM alone, or with other supplements like HairTopia, are stronger nails, softer skin and faster growing hair. This is because with MSM you have access to more sulfur.
The sulfur normally provided to the body by MSM is required for healthy collagen and keratin which are essential for healthy hair, skin and nails. Healthy hair is stronger hair and hair that can achieve its natural genetic growth patterns.
Summary
The body knows what it needs better than any doctor. It will use MSM where it is needed. Even if your body is experiencing more than one problem... give it a little extra MSM so it can provide more nutrition and heal itself.
Three U.S. Patents have been issued on methylsulfonylmethane. The first patent (U.S. Patent No. 4,296,130) was issued in 1981 for the use of cosmetic preparations. In 1985 and 1986, two additional patents (U.S. Patent No. 4,514,421 and 4,616,039) were issued on the dietary and pharmaceutical uses of MSM. Nutritional supplements containing this patented, licensed form of MSM have been available commercially since 1986. |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:22 am |
| Tangal wrote: |
Since cells are functioning better, some short term weight loss is possible.
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So the weight will come back, Tangal? What is the nature of the weight loss, then, do you know? |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:39 am |
no I don't think the weight will return if you continue MSM.
But it is unlikely you will continue to loose ,more weight after a few pounds, useing MSM only.
I like this for weight loss, helped me loss 30 lbs. Still working on a bit more.
This is a Hoodia and fiber suppliment WITHOUT metabolisum boosters, which I stronghly oppose.
http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Hoodia-Glucomannan-Complex
60 pills are realistically only two weeks worth for most people.
This helps lessen craving between meals, to help you better regulate your diet. helps you learn to manage your diet health for life, so weight does not return.
Different people need different doses - two a day is not enough. I take 4 to 6 a day. Two in the AM two in the PM. Sometimes 2 mid afternoon. Usually 4 is fine. But when I first started I needed 5 to 6 a day.
Most people will not notice a benifit for at least two weeks, at which point you will find it is easier to say no to extras, and between meal snacks.
However if you over eat, even when you are not hungry, or eat very poorly, this may not help. It helps curb cravings safely, especialy for sweets. But you still need to push yourself away from the table, and make wise food choices.
You need to tailor dose time and amounts based on when you have issues. If late night munchys are a problem, say after 6 PM. Take a dose around 6 PM with dinner, so effects will benifit you in an hour or two.
Eat good meals, make good choices.
Make sure you have good quality foods available. Don't eat junk all the time.
Have protein with EVERY meal, and snack.
Get rid of the junk foods that are the trouble issue for you.
Though with Hoodia I have bags of candy and chips here for my family, and may take one or two small pieces of candy and I am good. Pre Hoodia I had to eat the whole bag! LOL Or I can stop with a handful of Lays chips, not the whole bag.
Eat small meals through the day rather then three hugh ones. 5 small meals (or three meals two snacks) is better then three hugh ones as far as loosing weight for most people.
Substitute Whole grains, pastas etc whenever possible for white grains. More filling, and won't give the suger crash that creates cravings.
Use low fat cheeses and milk.
Drink your water, lots of it daily!
Add in some exercise or walking everyday. 30 to 40 min at least.
Diet 6 days, and have one day or one meal as a free days. This helps you manage cravings if you know you CAN induge in a few days.
Useing the above, I can loss weight yet not "diet" |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:44 am |
Tangal - that is a fabulous recommendation. I'm going to go for it!
Thankyou, you're a star! |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:46 am |
| Tangal wrote: |
| I started with 2000 mg at a time. (I take 4000 or so now) |
At a time??  ?? Or a day?
I started taking MSM approximately 2 weeks ago - approximately 2 x 1000 mg cap/day (total of 2000 mg/day). I haven't been very disciplined, but I will now (I could use loosing some fat around my girly parts  ).
So, I could safely increase to 4 x 1000 mg/day, i.e. 2 x 2000 mg/day?
Thanks, R. |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:49 am |
I mean I started with one dose of 2000. Per day in one shot. No issues.
Now I take 2000, twice daily for a total of 4000 a day.
I have gone as high as 6000 a day. No issues.
You can probably bump up ok R. |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:50 am |
avalange -- thank you for having a jittery stomach as well and confirming the hopelessness of buying supplements here....
Tangal -- bless you. i do have a delicate stomach with vitamins and the like, but i was just careless with this as most other supplements don't bother me. i'll try taking it with food and work my way up slowly. admittedly, my primary concern right now is joint/scar pain and healing. the other benefits are icing on the cake! |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:19 pm |
Wow - I stood in the health shop the other day with a bottle of this in my hand, trying to decide whether or not to go for it.
I'd heard it could help my skin - but what I've just read on here is great! I am now thoroughly kicking myself for not buying the stuff there and then.
Thanks guys  |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:19 pm |
thanks again tangal.
your post is very very informative,not something that i can just scan through. will need to sit down and slowly digest it.
my bottle of GNC expired.... |
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Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:31 pm |
tangal,
would your meticulous research extend to
1) multivitamins, multiminerals
2) anti-oxidant supplements
3) omega oils - 3,6 and 9
4) murad's anti cellulite supplements *hehe*
5) any anti ceullulite supplements
i would love to pop by your website and learn more from you
i've only managed to narrow down a good brand for omega oil, but still undecided how the dosage and whether i need 3,6,9 or just omega 3.
this vitamin research is driving me nuts! |
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