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Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:23 am  |
| neondaze wrote: |
| critic wrote: |
| I re-read the translation that I have posted, I actually don't really understand, it does not make sense, right? perhaps just 10% is understandable, I will see if I can do a better translate during this weekend based on the book that I have bought from Tokyo. |
Yep. You said it! Makes no sense at all! 
It is very generous of you to do a bit of a translation when you can. 
For those of you doing the Tanaka face massage, do you feel like you're doing just fine by following along? (Thanks for the Russian link Sigma - I love this international effort!)
I'm still trying to work out whether it is worth getting the DVD and book from Amazon - even though I don't understand Japanese. Critic, or anyone else, are there pictures in the book that are very important?
Geez, seeing as it's been a best seller I wonder how long it is going to take them to put out an English edition? |
Try to buy a Chinese edition for face massage, it is cheaper than the Japan edition. If you are able to follow from the DVD (that Russian link), you don't need the book. I am a book person, so I prefer to read and follow the step by step photos with explanation.
Have you tried? Does it work for you? |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:33 am |
I can only guess here critic, but with the stuff your doing maybe your rejuvenating the nose by stimulating cartlidge production. The nose naturally grows throughout our lives (as do our ears), so maybe with the diet changes your doing, its having an effect on increasing cartlidge. We don't really work the nose per say in FlexEffect but you might want to look at Maggio's Nose Shortener which aims to work the nose cartlidge and shorten it - at a guess!
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| moonstone wrote: |
Wow critic, thank you so much for spending the time and effort to do the translation for us.
I guess I need to order the book for Tanaka's body massage in order to do the program in a correct manner. I'm actually planning to do
Callanetic along with the body massage to see if the combination will have a better result for my body shape!
It's interesting to learn that you notice that people in Shanghai actually look older than their age, as I thought gals in Shanghai usually have great skin and complexion when they are young. Their diet without an adequate amount of water probably is one of the main culprit!
Yes, I've been doing Ageless for quite a while. It's a great program that helps a lot to lift up my face and works very wells for my eyes and upper cheeks. But a couple of months ago, my lower face became rather slim and gaunt after doing Ageless intensive bootcamp. Recently I've started a new program called Faceworks as the before/after photos of that program look quite believable to me. http://www.faceworks.co.uk/before_and_after.htm
(I notice that a couple of the model's faces actually become rounder in a more feminine way ) My lower face does become fuller after doing the program for only a few weeks. I guess I will give a full review after doing Faceworks for 2 months or so.
Yes, I'm sure the models from Tanaka's book are in their mid or late 30's, rather than teenagers! But Tanaka does look unbelievably young for the age of 60+, I thought she's in her 40+ when I first saw the DVD. It's really rare to find Asians who look as good as Tanaka in their 60s. No wonder her book is the best seller in Japan in 2007!
I guess those of us who practice Tanaka's massage consistently will definitely achieve great results sooner or later!!!  |
I am very excited when I first start using Ageless because it takes less than 10 mins, I actually can't tell the difference (I had a feeling that I look better and I believed anyone will wish the same if you have spent on something, maybe there is also my imagination). I quickly noticed that my nose is flattening and enlarging, which was very scary because my nose is already big enough. And I do look very tired overall, so I stop it right away.
Then I met an old woman, who is the grandma of my staff, she is 70+. You know people in China at her age knows nothing about skincare and beauty care and they can't afford to buy face cream etc. She has very beautiful complexion without too much wrinkles. My staff told me her grandma gentle pat and hit her face everyday. (for details, please check my other topic re Chinese medicine and food therapy). I feel like : does it mean facial exercise actually not suitable for Asian/Chinese? We should go back to the traditional way? and that's the reason I started to browse for beauty books in Chinese and 'discover' Tanaka books.
I am still worrying about my nose, but will never ever consider cosmetic surgery. So... I am browsing on bone facial exercise, hope it works!
FE trainers and other facial exercise experts - please fill in if you know what has happened to my nose. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:28 pm |
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Welcome Hawthorn, great to see you here at EDS. Critic is really very generous to share with us different methods to shape up our faces and bodies. (The best part is that you can learn some of them for free!) And I'm sure you will have lots of fun checking out different techniques to further enhance your beautiful face!!! 
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Hey lass, thanks for the lovely welcome  Think I'll have lots of fun here, am v happy to have found this thread on the bone exercises with all this great info (thanks Critic!), I was thinking about how bone manipulation might be possible after reading the Seymour System blurb, somewhere on that site there's a thing about a guy who didn't need nasal surgery thanks to her techniques. So that was on my mind and then I read this thread, perfect!  |
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:08 pm |
| critic wrote: |
I am a book person, so I prefer to read and follow the step by step photos with explanation.
Have you tried? Does it work for you? |
I'm a book person too. Oh well. Will keep with the Russian translation for now.
The Tanaka massage makes me look a bit 'brighter' or something afterwards. There is something really soothing about the strength of the pressure. Too early to say if it is having a lasting effect, but am definitely going to keep at it. I think it is a great complement to some kind of face exercise. |
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:44 pm |
100% in my opinion any massage is better than no massage, and I like the lymphatic clearing qualities this one has!
| neondaze wrote: |
| I think it is a great complement to some kind of face exercise. |
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:10 pm |
I have read the Japanese Bone facial exercise book during the weekend. I don't know Japanese, but many of the characters are same as Chinese + I have little knowledge on massage. The book claims that bone exercise it is better than normal massage and facial exercise, it is more powerful. It also claims you will look 10 years younger. The techniques that describe in the book is not that difficult, steps are less than Tanaka and quite focus on changing the shape of your face, which I believe not many of you are NOT interested. Most Asian have a big flat face (me too!) and we are interested to learn more about changing the shape of our faces.
I doubt if pushing the nose bridge for a couple of times can really make the nose grow higher?
Honestly, I believe if you use more pressure when doing the the Tanaka massage, it almost like a bone facial massage. |
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:43 pm |
Looking at this video, this seems to be what we in the US call naprapathy. Naprapaths concentrate on the manipulation of muscles and connective tissue, as opposed to chiropractors, who concentrate mainly on manipulating the spine. As I understand it, naprapaths believe that if you get the muscle to lie right, it will stop pulling the bone out of place, whereas chiropractors believe the bone is the culprit. Someone please jump in if I am wrong. |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:19 am |
Hi Critic, I've been experimenting a little with this and it makes complete sense to me that it would work. There's a Runge exercise to raise the eyebrow which uses the points along the brow line and I've been pressing there, and WOW my browline is looking really good. It hurts a lot though to press along that delicate ridge! But it's a good pain if you know what I mean. not sure what you mean about the nose growing higher, but I've been pressing on a tiny bump I have on the left side of my nose, the cartilege was always moving around there, and now, no movement, so I'm happy with that. The bump's still there though Just makes sense to me that the bones would benefit from resistance in the same way the muscles do. I wonder how long it would take for a book like that to come out in English, should I start learning Japanese in the meantime
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I have read the Japanese Bone facial exercise book during the weekend. I don't know Japanese, but many of the characters are same as Chinese + I have little knowledge on massage. The book claims that bone exercise it is better than normal massage and facial exercise, it is more powerful. It also claims you will look 10 years younger. The techniques that describe in the book is not that difficult, steps are less than Tanaka and quite focus on changing the shape of your face, which I believe not many of you are NOT interested. Most Asian have a big flat face (me too!) and we are interested to learn more about changing the shape of our faces.
I doubt if pushing the nose bridge for a couple of times can really make the nose grow higher?
Honestly, I believe if you use more pressure when doing the the Tanaka massage, it almost like a bone facial massage. |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:25 am |
| critic wrote: |
I am still worrying about my nose, but will never ever consider cosmetic surgery. So... I am browsing on bone facial exercise, hope it works!
FE trainers and other facial exercise experts - please fill in if you know what has happened to my nose. |
Critic,
There was a nose exercise created by an EDS member (an Asian as well )which really helped to slim her round/pug nose. I've tried it before and it also seems to work for my nose if I do it on a regular basis. Maybe you can give it a shot to see if it works.
"Gently pinch your nose with your thumb on one nostril and your index finger on the other. Press only enough to give some resistance -- do not completely flatten your nostrils. Flare your nostrils against your finger/thumb and hold for a few seconds."
The creator of this exercise said to do the exercise 2-3 times a day, 30 repetitions each, for 3-4 months before you see results.
HTH |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:36 am |
That sounds like Nose Flare from FE (just using one hand instead of two hands for the resistance, but its worth a shot for sure!
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| critic wrote: |
I am still worrying about my nose, but will never ever consider cosmetic surgery. So... I am browsing on bone facial exercise, hope it works!
FE trainers and other facial exercise experts - please fill in if you know what has happened to my nose. |
Critic,
There was a nose exercise created by an EDS member (an Asian as well )which really helped to slim her round/pug nose. I've tried it before and it also seems to work for my nose if I do it on a regular basis. Maybe you can give it a shot to see if it works.
"Gently pinch your nose with your thumb on one nostril and your index finger on the other. Press only enough to give some resistance -- do not completely flatten your nostrils. Flare your nostrils against your finger/thumb and hold for a few seconds."
The creator of this exercise said to do the exercise 2-3 times a day, 30 repetitions each, for 3-4 months before you see results.
HTH |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:53 am |
| moonstone wrote: |
| critic wrote: |
I am still worrying about my nose, but will never ever consider cosmetic surgery. So... I am browsing on bone facial exercise, hope it works!
FE trainers and other facial exercise experts - please fill in if you know what has happened to my nose. |
Critic,
There was a nose exercise created by an EDS member (an Asian as well )which really helped to slim her round/pug nose. I've tried it before and it also seems to work for my nose if I do it on a regular basis. Maybe you can give it a shot to see if it works.
"Gently pinch your nose with your thumb on one nostril and your index finger on the other. Press only enough to give some resistance -- do not completely flatten your nostrils. Flare your nostrils against your finger/thumb and hold for a few seconds."
The creator of this exercise said to do the exercise 2-3 times a day, 30 repetitions each, for 3-4 months before you see results.
HTH |
Thanks a lot, I will give a try.
I am reading the poor quality PDF version book written by the Chinese doctor, he also has an exercise for nose, looks too simple, not sure if works. |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:01 am |
Hi hawthorn
welcome to our discussion and glad that you found it works for you!
I am doing the Tanaka body massage tonight, wow, it has to use a lot of body lotion, perhaps my body is too dry as I never use body cream/lotion etc. |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:08 am |
Sean,
May I ask a silly question, when I purchased my FE it comes with a letter from Deb about signing up the workshop, I never tried to logon because I don't understand how to do it,
It said, when registering on the WorkShop Forum place your CODE# next to your USERNAME... Example: John1234A.
Please do not use any other numbers in your username.
So, what is my USERNAME? |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:32 am |
Hi Critic
Don't worry - I'm happy to be able to answer for you. Your username is a name you can allocate to yourself, but you just add the code next to the username. You can choose whatever you want for your username i.e. CRITIC followed by your code: CRITIC12345 for example.
With logging on to the forums, first you have to register for them (provided you use that code you got with your kit). The FE Workshop was designed specifically to support Flexers in their learning of the material and also to provide guidance/suggestions when it comes to working out their facial muscles, its an optional benefit (but not one that people are charged for).
I know you don't like or think highly of FlexEffect, but thanks for asking that question as I hope it will help others.
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:49 am |
| hawthorn wrote: |
There's a Runge exercise to raise the eyebrow which uses the points along the brow line and I've been pressing there, and WOW my browline is looking really good. It hurts a lot though to press along that delicate ridge! But it's a good pain if you know what I mean.
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hawthorn, I also have Runge's book for facial exercises, but don't have time to learn them yet. The eyebrow exercise sounds great and definitely have to check it out! Btw, have you tried other Runge exercises which you find effective as well? |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:15 am |
| If I'm not mistaken the eyebrow exercise is the one demonstrated on her website - so its worth googling it. There is a video clip where she has a person demo it while she is talking. |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:03 pm |
Hi Critic, it's working well, thanks for all this fab info! I've been using emu oil when I do the Taneka massage, I love it!
| critic wrote: |
Hi hawthorn
welcome to our discussion and glad that you found it works for you!
I am doing the Tanaka body massage tonight, wow, it has to use a lot of body lotion, perhaps my body is too dry as I never use body cream/lotion etc. |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:09 pm |
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hawthorn, I also have Runge's book for facial exercises, but don't have time to learn them yet. The eyebrow exercise sounds great and definitely have to check it out! Btw, have you tried other Runge exercises which you find effective as well? |
Sean's right about the brow ex being the one Runge demonstrates, and it's a keeper! I just read her book and took a few tips out of it as I reconed that it wasn't as useful to me as Ageless, There's a gentle forehead ex that Maggie posted on Loulou's board that people seem to like. Mostly from Runge I got the wiping out the wrinkles info, loved that! |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:47 pm |
Sean,
I tried to view Deb DVD last night to search for the nose flare exercise, this is my 2nd time watching the DVD, I notice that the DVD only include part of the exercises from the book, am I right or something wrong with the DVD? |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:51 pm |
| hawthorn wrote: |
Hi Critic, it's working well, thanks for all this fab info! I've been using emu oil when I do the Taneka massage, I love it!
| critic wrote: |
Hi hawthorn
welcome to our discussion and glad that you found it works for you!
I am doing the Tanaka body massage tonight, wow, it has to use a lot of body lotion, perhaps my body is too dry as I never use body cream/lotion etc. |
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hawthorn,
is emu oil too sticky for the face? Do you wash your face after massage? I have a bottle of emu from Skin Biology but rarely use it.
Tanaka has a massage cream (Y-Method), but it is very expensive and I don't think it is worth.
I am Obagi user, I do the massage with the facial cleansing gel, I have tried to use a massage cream from IPSA, the sales girl said I don't have to wash it after massaging, but still prefer to wash. |
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Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:08 pm |
Hi Critic,
I know you are not a fan of facial exercises and the process. Still... I want to respond to the doubt you have about the nose shortner and nose thinner exercises from facercise - it works; It's a valuable reshaper and method to keep the nose in check. It's on the same idea it seems as the bone reshaping. I would try it - everyday - it wouldn't take much and the results happen. I would love to see before and afters of the bone reshaping - not just the mask effect that I saw on the links that were posted. That doesn't demonstrate much - to me anyway. I'd rather see real faces if they are available. Maybe I'm the only one. I understand the theory but I understand the theory of facial exercise also and I've see the reality also. Hope you can steer me toward the before and afters. Thanks. |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:52 am |
Hi Critic, I use emu oil on my face every night, I really like it. i don't find it too sticky. I wash my face after the massage. I've no experience of using Obagi products. My instinct would be that any nice cream/oil/lotion would be okay to use, but maybe Taneka has something special in her cream that helps the Lymph drain, but if it's expensive, I'd rather not have a look at it, need to save money
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hawthorn,
is emu oil too sticky for the face? Do you wash your face after massage? I have a bottle of emu from Skin Biology but rarely use it.
Tanaka has a massage cream (Y-Method), but it is very expensive and I don't think it is worth.
I am Obagi user, I do the massage with the facial cleansing gel, I have tried to use a massage cream from IPSA, the sales girl said I don't have to wash it after massaging, but still prefer to wash. |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:11 am |
No the Nose Flare Exercise isn't on the dvd.
The dvd was designed as a quick workout to exercise the major muscle groups of the face, and contains both basic and advanced exercises. Nose Flare is exercise no. 12 in the book on page 60.
Sean
| critic wrote: |
Sean,
I tried to view Deb DVD last night to search for the nose flare exercise, this is my 2nd time watching the DVD, I notice that the DVD only include part of the exercises from the book, am I right or something wrong with the DVD? |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:18 pm |
| critic wrote: |
Most Asian have a big flat face (me too!) and we are interested to learn more about changing the shape of our faces.
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Critic... Interestingly, I notice that my face become considerably slimmer after doing Ageless for 6 months or so. Perhaps if you can figure out which exercises are the culprits for your widen nose, (I suspect it was cheek exercise #1 in which you pinch the cheeks alongside the nose), you can then consider adding a couple of the cheek exercises into the routine if you desire a slender face. |
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