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Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:20 pm  |
| Yes I am at this moment - it is past eleven here - too lazy to look it up but through google I found some articles on microcurrent and healing and an increase of collagen and elastine in injured tendons. Anything wound healing and scar diminishing has the potential of course to be beneficial for old, wrinkled and slack skin. But I am looking into ultrasound as well - bad thing is, as it is I don't know how reliable the old threads on EDS are in that respect....I miss Keliu and Kassy, they know so much. |
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Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:00 pm |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
| Yes I am at this moment - it is past eleven here - too lazy to look it up but through google I found some articles on microcurrent and healing and an increase of collagen and elastine in injured tendons. Anything wound healing and scar diminishing has the potential of course to be beneficial for old, wrinkled and slack skin. But I am looking into ultrasound as well - bad thing is, as it is I don't know how reliable the old threads on EDS are in that respect....I miss Keliu and Kassy, they know so much. |
I remember posting quite a few articles on ultrasound back in the day. At that time the big things was 1 mhz vs 3 mhz. Now it appears that 1 MHz may actually be the better choice, especially if you combine it with fragmented HA for better penetration. (that is the concept behind the Sqoom). |
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Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:13 pm |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
| I miss Keliu and Kassy, they know so much. |
I'm still around - but I know nuffin!! Now I have to get to grips with Aloe Vera being the next worst thing to Arsenic!!! There's just no winning, is there? |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:20 am |
A few questions - thank you all for great info!
Is the unit that Bethany got on Ebay for $14 the same as the unit from Amazon which is $41? Is one better than the other?
My main reason for wanting this is for marionette lines. I'm about ready to do filler but I'd really rather not.
For those of you that have seen improvement in that area - is it obvious enough that you or others notice? And also - how do you use it in this area?
Very interested in trying this - so thx again! |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:37 am |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
A few questions - thank you all for great info!
Is the unit that Bethany got on Ebay for $14 the same as the unit from Amazon which is $41? Is one better than the other?
My main reason for wanting this is for marionette lines. I'm about ready to do filler but I'd really rather not.
For those of you that have seen improvement in that area - is it obvious enough that you or others notice? And also - how do you use it in this area?
Very interested in trying this - so thx again! |
The units are the same, but the $41 one comes with some gel.
While I have seen some lift in my marionette lines, it has definitely NOT done what filler will do. (And I have had filler there in the past). |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:27 am |
Bethany I just ordered the same one too from ebay. What are you currently using for gel?
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:16 am |
| stovetop wrote: |
Bethany I just ordered the same one too from ebay. What are you currently using for gel?
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I am using Aquasonic ultrasound gel which seems to work fine. |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:10 pm |
In my 50's and my chin area is my real main area of concern. I just can't imagine having to use filler there for the next 30 years!
Has anyone read any info on the long term implications of fillers like Juvaderm?
Would be great to find a less invasive method! |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:30 pm |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
In my 50's and my chin area is my real main area of concern. I just can't imagine having to use filler there for the next 30 years!
Has anyone read any info on the long term implications of fillers like Juvaderm?
Would be great to find a less invasive method! |
Filler actually does promote collagen growth, so it's not all bad. You can also go for a perm version like Artefill.
I would suggest bumping a fillers thread if you want to discuss it more there. |
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Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:14 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
| I miss Keliu and Kassy, they know so much. |
I'm still around - but I know nuffin!! Now I have to get to grips with Aloe Vera being the next worst thing to Arsenic!!! There's just no winning, is there? |
 I don't know much, but I know one thing.. We are NOT mice, and as far as I know we won't be bathing in a vat full of aloe.
Have a read here for a hundred or so benefits of aloe; http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378874199000859
Anyhoo, hasn't hurt my old hyde in 63 years, how about yours...lol |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:01 pm |
| Used little gizmo twice now. Today I used aloe vera gel mixed with SKB and a bit of water. It does tone, if though I know last time the effect wore off halfway the next day (which is, for such a cheap and small thingy, quite a thing, it cost me about the same as a jar of Revitalift). It does seem to cause or stimulate exfoliation? After use at first the skin is pretty dry (I thought that would be from the aloe vera which I find drying) but both times with cleansing a lot of stuff came off. Which is, I guess, a good thing. |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:16 pm |
I found this article that said microcurrent does cause exfoliation, but they also make the rest of the features sound way better than they probably are as well, lol.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/microcurrent-facial-sculpting.html
For what we paid, it does pack a little punch doesn't it? I am basically dong the NuFace holds with it all over my face and I think it has helped. But it is definitely not a miracle worker, and one has to have the appropriate expectations. |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:25 pm |
| My guess is, that is doesn't so much do anything to the muscle but makes lymph move. Which also is a good thing, of course. Next time I use it, day after tomorrow, I will try and follow the moves of the Tanaka massage, see what that does. It's fun to play with this thing (as long as I don't put it any higher than 2). |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:45 pm |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
| My guess is, that is doesn't so much do anything to the muscle but makes lymph move. Which also is a good thing, of course. Next time I use it, day after tomorrow, I will try and follow the moves of the Tanaka massage, see what that does. It's fun to play with this thing (as long as I don't put it any higher than 2). |
You are probably right. I think the lines disappearing on my forehead is just due to fluid coming to the area due to increased circulation. That would also account for the Pico people saying crepey arm skin is going away...more fluid would fix that. |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:15 pm |
I agree. I think expecting muscle tone to lift etc is too much. I just can't find any real evidence for that. You hear it said that it can and its oft repeated, but far too little to substantiate it for my tastes, especially considering how long the technology has been around. I do think it can shift lymph though, and I like that, and after rubbing it about, I do some holds too, but actually think gently massaging my face with it is more effective. If it really does 'mimic our own bio electrical system' or what have you, and that is somehow helpful, and it feels nice to do, then why not? Especially as it is inexpensive, easy to use, and seems to be effective (short term) around the eyes. I also like to use Ultrasound, and think it does similar things, but also find it difficult to get too much good info on it. But once again I managed to get my device quite inexpensively, and find it enjoyable to use too.
As microcurrent has been around forever, and plastic surgery, fillers, Botox and the beauty industry in general has found the need to keep coming up with new improved ways to keep us looking young, I think its safe to say that microcurrent doesn't really offer face lift type effects. And if it does, where are the amazing photos? There are millions of actual facelift photos all over the Internet where you can actually see the results, but very little convincing evidence for microcurrent to do it. I know its not the most popular view point,because of course we all want to believe a gadget can lift and tone our face (including me). I just don't believe microcurrent can really do it. I remain open to any new convincing information.
Nonetheless, this is a nice little gadget, and a great find. You can use it one handed which makes it possible to browse etc too  |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:04 pm |
| Idealist wrote: |
As microcurrent has been around forever, and plastic surgery, fillers, Botox and the beauty industry in general has found the need to keep coming up with new improved ways to keep us looking young, I think its safe to say that microcurrent doesn't really offer face lift type effects. And if it does, where are the amazing photos? There are millions of actual facelift photos all over the Internet where you can actually see the results, but very little convincing evidence for microcurrent to do it. I know its not the most popular view point,because of course we all want to believe a gadget can lift and tone our face (including me). I just don't believe microcurrent can really do it. I remain open to any new convincing information.
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Totally agree. What I find interesting is this sudden resurgence of its popularity - based on what?? I can remember when the NuFace was first discussed here ages ago - after some initial enthusiasm, everyone went off the device very quickly because they weren't getting any results. |
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Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:22 pm |
| And that would be why I have the $14 device! Nothing much lost, though I am happy with the returns based on the minimal investment, lol. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:44 am |
| bethany wrote: |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
| My guess is, that is doesn't so much do anything to the muscle but makes lymph move. Which also is a good thing, of course. Next time I use it, day after tomorrow, I will try and follow the moves of the Tanaka massage, see what that does. It's fun to play with this thing (as long as I don't put it any higher than 2). |
You are probably right. I think the lines disappearing on my forehead is just due to fluid coming to the area due to increased circulation. That would also account for the Pico people saying crepey arm skin is going away...more fluid would fix that. |
but what about the theory of increasing atp in our cells? Isn't that more than just moving lymph? I know that my skin texture has improved, and my pores have gotten smaller. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:50 am |
| wishee wrote: |
but what about the theory of increasing atp in our cells? Isn't that more than just moving lymph? I know that my skin texture has improved, and my pores have gotten smaller. |
Theoretically it increases collagen and does lots of great stuff. Unfortunately no one can find the study that actually proves that, and I am not willing to pay a lot of money for something unproven (but that's just me).
But if it is working for you and delivering on some of those claims, I would definitely keep doing it! |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:47 am |
There is possibly evidence out there of increased ATP production, however, the body produces its own weight in ATP every single day (declining as we age) for energy. Who knows if going for a 10 minute walk or a massage with your fingers might generate as much increased ATP production in your skin? Also, ATP has many effects in the body and is not necessarily the elixir of life as it is often quoted as being in MC threads or marketing blurbs. For example:
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/123/6/1238.long
Platelets release ATP during aggregation, particularly during migraine (Burnstock and Wood, 1996). ATP has also been implicated in the pain associated with malignancy on the basis that tumour cells contain exceptionally high levels of ATP (Maehara et al., 1987). Ferguson and colleagues demonstrated the release of ATP from urothelial cells in the bladder as a result of electrical stimulation or stress stimuli (Ferguson et al., 1997). Finally, ATP levels are shown to be raised in damaged and inflamed tissue (Gordon, 1986); for instance, ATP levels were high in articular fluid removed from arthritic knee joints (Ryan, 1991). Intracellular stores of ATP can be released by cell lysis, for example, as shown to be the case for erythrocytes (Bleehen and Keele, 1977), or by calcium-dependent mechanisms. Thus, there are many clinical situations where the release of endogenous ATP might plausibly contribute to ongoing pain. If this proves to be the case, selective antagonists of P2X receptors might prove to be effective analgesic agents.
Other devices are also said to increase ATP on the skin such as LED and ultrasound, however I am not entirely sure how important it really is, or what it necessarily means. Possibly aging skin may benefit from a boost. What I am pretty sure of, is it will not cause sagging muscles to lift, which is the main thing claimed of MC.
If you study facial anatomy and the muscle groups, you see why superficially pinching and holding the face with probes or gloves would be more than problematic in getting this result (there are so many muscles working up, down, to the side and against each other, overlaying each other) even if a weak electrical field really could tighten your face, which is the main claim. Increased ATP is the catch all phrase that is meant to prove it achieves this. As I have mentioned there may be some positive skin benefits, but that is not really how microcurrent is being marketed these days. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:35 am |
| Great info. Appreciate people giving facts, so easy to follow hype! |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:45 am |
| Rapunzell wrote: |
| Great info. Appreciate people giving facts, so easy to follow hype! |
Avoid the hype, especially if it costs a lot of money. It is really hard to not buy the big thing, but they usually don't pan out.  |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:28 am |
The 2 things that have really worked for me are Dermarolling and Quasar MD. I can compare photos from 3 years ago and my skin has improved. NOT face lift quality - but texture and volume.
Next I might try the Clarisonic Opal. |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:35 am |
Thanks so Bethany, I ordered the little 14.00 device from ebay and will give it a shot!
I don't mind trying it out at that price. |
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