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Sat May 19, 2012 7:29 am  |
If you look on the Swanson website, they say "Standardized to a guaranteed 15% petasins
Certified free of pyrrolizidine alkaloids"
Of course, that doesn't mean it's true, but I've had great experiences with Swanson and I do believe it's a reputable company.
Otherwise, there's always the patented version I mentioned above. |
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Sat May 19, 2012 7:43 am |
Swanson Vitamins carries both actually:
$27.95 for the patented version:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ET304/ItemDetail?csi=SWH192&csp=ET304
$3.39 for the Swanson one:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWH192/ItemDetail?csi=ET304&csp=SWH192
I have no idea if the more expensive one is better, but I have been taking the Swanson brand for almost 5 months, and I definitely can't see myself going without this herb. I plan on giving the Petalodex a try too eventually, but if my blood tests don't show anything alarming, I think I can keep going with the cheaper version.
Edit: I am no expert, so please do not take my experience with this herb or any others as the norm. I think every supplement is controversial in some way. I just wanted to relate my experience, because I've suffered from migraines for over 20 years and after trying preventive prescription meds with terrible side effects and little benefit in terms of migraines, I finally found something that works and that I feel is healthier for me. Those who have experienced migraines in their life probably know how debilitating they can be. They've taken a toll on my life in many ways, skin included. I am tired of spending 25%+ of my days in a dark room... |
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Sat May 19, 2012 8:06 am |
If I suffered from migraine headaches I would probably consider butterbur as a natural alternative to prescription meds. Sorry you suffer from them fit.  |
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Sat May 19, 2012 8:37 am |
| I think that a lot of herbs could function as natural medicine. |
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Mon May 21, 2012 3:36 pm |
Has anyone gotten results with a skin supplements so far? I am looking for something to help with sagging, or rather, cheek fat pad moving downward...  |
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Fri May 25, 2012 10:51 am |
I have been taking silica for a few weeks and I noticed my nails have been growing faster, and despite stopping any eye lash serum, my eyelashes have not gotten sparse and short yet!
I started taking Silica at EgyptianGoddess's recommendation (thank you!).
I did some research and found a study on how oral supplementation and topical application can increase the dermis' thickness:
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Colloidal silicic acid for oral and topical treatment of aged skin, fragile hair and brittle nails in females.
Lassus A.
SourceHelsinki Research Centre, Finland.
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In an open study, women with biologically aged skin and fragile or thin hair, or brittle nails were treated orally with 10 ml colloidal silicic acid (Silicol) once daily for 90 days and applied colloidal silicic acid to the face for 10 min twice daily. Of the 50 subjects treated, three withdrew from treatment after 30 days because of excessive drying of the facial skin due to topical application. In the remaining 47 subjects there was statistically significant improvement in the thickness and turgor of the skin, wrinkles and condition of the hair and nails. The number of mottles also declined, but the change was not statistically significant. Ultrasound measurements did not detect any statistically significant change in the thickness of the epidermis or elasticity of the skin, but there was a significant increase in the thickness of the dermis. |
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8112478?dopt=Abstract
More info here:
http://www.eidon.com/silicaresearch.html
At the above link, you can find studies on:
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Lassus A. Colloidal silicic acid for the treatment of psoriatic skin lesions, arthropathy and onychopathy. A pilot study.
J Int Med Res. 1997 Jul-Aug;25(4):206-9.
Lassus A. The effect of silicol gel compared with placebo on papulopustular acne and sebum production. A double-blind study.
J Int Med Res. 1996 Jul-Aug;24(4):340-4. |
I need to find the difference between silica and Silicol...
Any other experiences with this?
Edit: adding a link to a thread that mentions this:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=480601&highlight=silicol#480601 |
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Fri May 25, 2012 10:55 am |
Is there any proof at all behind collagen supplements? That one seems debatable?
BFG |
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Fri May 25, 2012 11:01 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
Is there any proof at all behind collagen supplements? That one seems debatable?
BFG |
I found a study that did show a benefit, but I lost it... I'll post when I find it again.
Meanwhile, this study talks about Aloe Vera oral supplementation improving skin appearance:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20548848
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RESULTS: After aloe gel intake, the facial wrinkles improved significantly (p<0.05) in both groups, and facial elasticity improved in the lower-dose group. In the photoprotected skin, the type I procollagen mRNA levels were increased in both groups, albeit without significance; the MMP-1 mRNA levels were significantly decreased in the higher-dose group. Type I procollagen immunostaining was substantially increased throughout the dermis in both groups.
CONCLUSION: Aloe gel significantly improves wrinkles and elasticity in photoaged human skin, with an increase in collagen production in the photoprotected skin and a decrease in the collagen-degrading MMP-1 gene expression. However, no dose-response relationship was found between the low-dose and high-dose groups |
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Fri May 25, 2012 11:05 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
Is there any proof at all behind collagen supplements? That one seems debatable?
BFG |
I found a study that did show a benefit, but I lost it... I'll post when I find it again.
Meanwhile, this study talks about Aloe Vera oral supplementation improving skin appearance:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20548848
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RESULTS: After aloe gel intake, the facial wrinkles improved significantly (p<0.05) in both groups, and facial elasticity improved in the lower-dose group. In the photoprotected skin, the type I procollagen mRNA levels were increased in both groups, albeit without significance; the MMP-1 mRNA levels were significantly decreased in the higher-dose group. Type I procollagen immunostaining was substantially increased throughout the dermis in both groups.
CONCLUSION: Aloe gel significantly improves wrinkles and elasticity in photoaged human skin, with an increase in collagen production in the photoprotected skin and a decrease in the collagen-degrading MMP-1 gene expression. However, no dose-response relationship was found between the low-dose and high-dose groups |
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Fri May 25, 2012 11:12 am |
@fitgineer
What brand of silica did you take? Did you notice any changes in your hair?
Also, I heard that cucumber is a good source of silica? Does anyone know how much silica is in it? |
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Fri May 25, 2012 11:16 am |
| VeronicaM wrote: |
@fitgineer
What brand of silica did you take? Did you notice any changes in your hair?
Also, I heard that cucumber is a good source of silica? Does anyone know how much silica is in it? |
I've been using the NOW foods brand:
http://www.nowfoods.com/Supplements/Products-by-Category/Minerals/Silica/M003791.htm
It seems that HorseTail Extract is a great source of Silica.
I'm going to do more research on the other forms of it.
And yes, my hair has been growing faster!
I had a haircut about a month ago where she cut about 2 inches off, and it's almost back to the length it was before I had it cut.
But to me, my eye lashes are the sign that it has been working for my hair growth  |
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Fri May 25, 2012 11:21 am |
fitgineer, that is so weird because I keep meaning to tell you that I noticed my skin looks better when I'm taking silica. (I've only been taking it a few weeks longer than you I think.) I noticed it a few weeks after starting it. It looks more like how it looks if I were using retinol or something. Less lined and haggard looking and more smooth and taut? Like as if it helps collagen or something. It's really weird. But I definitely felt that I look younger whilst taking it so I decided to keep on with it. I figure at least it's also good for bones, I think. Which is always a plus.
I'm so happy about your lashes I can see mine popping up above the lids now! Without curling them or anything! Which is saying a lot because they're not very dark. And my eyebrows grew, they're normally pretty sparse. And my hair is growing fast.
Interesting study. I definitely noticed a change in my skin with silica. I don't know the difference between silica and silicol. Maybe I'll look it up later and see what I can find.
Interesting tidbit you might like to know: Megan Fox takes silica (and fish oil). You know she's probably got like a team helping her look her best and so on. That tells me silica obviously must hold value then. (And make-up artists have said in articles "Oh she's got naturally long eyelashes and such nice eyebrows and hair!" Naturally. Right.  We know her secret!   ) |
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Fri May 25, 2012 11:30 am |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
fitgineer, that is so weird because I keep meaning to tell you that I noticed my skin looks better when I'm taking silica. (I've only been taking it a few weeks longer than you I think.) I noticed it a few weeks after starting it. It looks more like how it looks if I were using retinol or something. Less lined and haggard looking and more smooth and taut? Like as if it helps collagen or something. It's really weird. But I definitely felt that I look younger whilst taking it so I decided to keep on with it. I figure at least it's also good for bones, I think. Which is always a plus.
I'm so happy about your lashes I can see mine popping up above the lids now! Without curling them or anything! Which is saying a lot because they're not very dark. And my eyebrows grew, they're normally pretty sparse. And my hair is growing fast.
Interesting study. I definitely noticed a change in my skin with silica. I don't know the difference between silica and silicol. Maybe I'll look it up later and see what I can find.
Interesting tidbit you might like to know: Megan Fox takes silica (and fish oil). You know she's probably got like a team helping her look her best and so on. That tells me silica obviously must hold value then. (And make-up artists have said in articles "Oh she's got naturally long eyelashes and such nice eyebrows and hair!" Naturally. Right. We know her secret! ) |
Well, I owe you big thanks for suggesting it!!! No big difference in skin yet, but it's only been 3 weeks or so.
And by the way, I will reply to your PM, but I want to fully focus on doing it, like you did!!! |
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Fri May 25, 2012 11:35 am |
| I took 50mg of Hyaluronic acid by Viridian (an English brand) for about 4 weeks, noticed a definite lip plumping but it started to become a little too much. I stopped taking it and actually noticed that the skin around my upper eyelids looked a little droopier than it had before but this has pretty much come back to normal since I ceased taking the supplement. I wonder whether my skin was more receptive to this because I have had a skin complaint called seborrheic dermatitis which affects the skin barrier. My lips have actually changed shape since I took HA, they are fuller and have a pouty look about them which I really like (I'm such a manly guy aren't I!). I havent taken HA for at least 6 weeks and the pout is still there (hopefully to stay!). I was very surprised by the effects of this supplement and I must admit I would have serious reservations about taking it again because of how readily my skin seems to respond (the pout is good but saggy eyelids not so good). I considered the Now Collagen product but I think it might be wise for me just to look to wholefood sources like berries and oily fish in order to avoid the Gordon Ramsey effect! |
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Fri May 25, 2012 11:38 am |
Don't worry hun! I totally don't care, it's all good. I know we're all busy and what not
I bet a lot celebrities take silica and we just don't know it. And a whole host of other supplements. Megan fox said she uses grapeseed oil on her skin. Interesting! |
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Fri May 25, 2012 11:46 am |
| craven20 wrote: |
| I took 50mg of Hyaluronic acid by Viridian (an English brand) for about 4 weeks, noticed a definite lip plumping but it started to become a little too much. I stopped taking it and actually noticed that the skin around my upper eyelids looked a little droopier than it had before but this has pretty much come back to normal since I ceased taking the supplement. I wonder whether my skin was more receptive to this because I have had a skin complaint called seborrheic dermatitis which affects the skin barrier. My lips have actually changed shape since I took HA, they are fuller and have a pouty look about them which I really like (I'm such a manly guy aren't I!). I havent taken HA for at least 6 weeks and the pout is still there (hopefully to stay!). I was very surprised by the effects of this supplement and I must admit I would have serious reservations about taking it again because of how readily my skin seems to respond (the pout is good but saggy eyelids not so good). I considered the Now Collagen product but I think it might be wise for me just to look to wholefood sources like berries and oily fish in order to avoid the Gordon Ramsey effect! |
Well that's interesting craven20. Hyaluronic acid was something I was also interested in. But droopy eyelids isn't what I want!  I find fish oil (especially EPA) plumps my skin and lips. As well as saturated fat which is odd. |
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Fri May 25, 2012 12:06 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
| craven20 wrote: |
| I took 50mg of Hyaluronic acid by Viridian (an English brand) for about 4 weeks, noticed a definite lip plumping but it started to become a little too much. I stopped taking it and actually noticed that the skin around my upper eyelids looked a little droopier than it had before but this has pretty much come back to normal since I ceased taking the supplement. I wonder whether my skin was more receptive to this because I have had a skin complaint called seborrheic dermatitis which affects the skin barrier. My lips have actually changed shape since I took HA, they are fuller and have a pouty look about them which I really like (I'm such a manly guy aren't I!). I havent taken HA for at least 6 weeks and the pout is still there (hopefully to stay!). I was very surprised by the effects of this supplement and I must admit I would have serious reservations about taking it again because of how readily my skin seems to respond (the pout is good but saggy eyelids not so good). I considered the Now Collagen product but I think it might be wise for me just to look to wholefood sources like berries and oily fish in order to avoid the Gordon Ramsey effect! |
Well that's interesting craven20. Hyaluronic acid was something I was also interested in. But droopy eyelids isn't what I want! I find fish oil (especially EPA) plumps my skin and lips. As well as saturated fat which is odd. |
Are you sure you had droopy eyelids from HA? That's odd... |
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Fri May 25, 2012 12:14 pm |
| fitgineer wrote: |
Swanson Vitamins carries both actually:
$27.95 for the patented version:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ET304/ItemDetail?csi=SWH192&csp=ET304
$3.39 for the Swanson one:
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWH192/ItemDetail?csi=ET304&csp=SWH192
I have no idea if the more expensive one is better, but I have been taking the Swanson brand for almost 5 months, and I definitely can't see myself going without this herb. I plan on giving the Petalodex a try too eventually, but if my blood tests don't show anything alarming, I think I can keep going with the cheaper version.
Edit: I am no expert, so please do not take my experience with this herb or any others as the norm. I think every supplement is controversial in some way. I just wanted to relate my experience, because I've suffered from migraines for over 20 years and after trying preventive prescription meds with terrible side effects and little benefit in terms of migraines, I finally found something that works and that I feel is healthier for me. Those who have experienced migraines in their life probably know how debilitating they can be. They've taken a toll on my life in many ways, skin included. I am tired of spending 25%+ of my days in a dark room... |
With Butterbur you should check for PA free!
Dosage
The usual dosage of butterbur is 50-75 mg twice daily of a standardized extract that has been processed to remove potentially dangerous chemicals called pyrrolizidine alkaloids (see Safety Issues below).
Warning: Use of any butterbur product that contains pyrrolizidine alkaloids is definitely not recommended.
http://www.doctorsofusc.com/condition/document/21626 |
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Fri May 25, 2012 12:17 pm |
| fitgineer wrote: |
If you look on the Swanson website, they say "Standardized to a guaranteed 15% petasins
Certified free of pyrrolizidine alkaloids"
Of course, that doesn't mean it's true, but I've had great experiences with Swanson and I do believe it's a reputable company.
Otherwise, there's always the patented version I mentioned above. |
Agree with you, DM! |
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Fri May 25, 2012 12:27 pm |
| fitgineer wrote: |
| fitgineer wrote: |
If you look on the Swanson website, they say "Standardized to a guaranteed 15% petasins
Certified free of pyrrolizidine alkaloids"
Of course, that doesn't mean it's true, but I've had great experiences with Swanson and I do believe it's a reputable company.
Otherwise, there's always the patented version I mentioned above. |
Agree with you, DM! |
I just wanted anyone considering trying it for migraines to be aware of what should be on the site and label! |
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Fri May 25, 2012 12:30 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| fitgineer wrote: |
| fitgineer wrote: |
If you look on the Swanson website, they say "Standardized to a guaranteed 15% petasins
Certified free of pyrrolizidine alkaloids"
Of course, that doesn't mean it's true, but I've had great experiences with Swanson and I do believe it's a reputable company.
Otherwise, there's always the patented version I mentioned above. |
Agree with you, DM! |
I just wanted anyone considering trying it for migraines to be aware of what should be on the site and label! |
I must say, you're one of the few wise ones I listen to on EDS |
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Fri May 25, 2012 12:34 pm |
| fitgineer wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| fitgineer wrote: |
| fitgineer wrote: |
If you look on the Swanson website, they say "Standardized to a guaranteed 15% petasins
Certified free of pyrrolizidine alkaloids"
Of course, that doesn't mean it's true, but I've had great experiences with Swanson and I do believe it's a reputable company.
Otherwise, there's always the patented version I mentioned above. |
Agree with you, DM! |
I just wanted anyone considering trying it for migraines to be aware of what should be on the site and label! |
I must say, you're one of the few wise ones I listen to on EDS |
Too sweet, there are many wise and informative members on EDS!!
Thanks though!  |
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Fri May 25, 2012 12:39 pm |
One of my favorite books on herbs and their uses is The Way of Herbs by Michael Tierra, mine is older, but there is a new updated version out! He covers everything including standard use, native american, TCM......It is a great resource!
http://www.amazon.com/The-Way-Herbs-Updated-Developments/dp/0671023276 |
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Sat May 26, 2012 11:44 am |
| Interesting, thanks DM! |
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