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Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:53 pm  |
I find the fastest speed much more comfortable to use - you get more "bounce" with the slower speeds. Also, I think it's important not to press the device down on the skin. Just let the device do the work. When using the highest speed and less pressure, you will find it possible to glide the device over the skin.
Note: collagen induction starts around a needle length of 0.05mm. Much of the research states that it is not necessary to go to a needle length of 2mm - I think 1-1.5mm is adequate for home needling. |
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Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:31 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
I find the fastest speed much more comfortable to use - you get more "bounce" with the slower speeds. Also, I think it's important not to press the device down on the skin. Just let the device do the work. When using the highest speed and less pressure, you will find it possible to glide the device over the skin.
Note: collagen induction starts around a needle length of 0.05mm. Much of the research states that it is not necessary to go to a needle length of 2mm - I think 1-1.5mm is adequate for home needling. |
thanks for the tip!
makes sense
ugh! i should have tried the faster speed but there was blood all over the place and it was my first time and i wanted it DONE! if you know what i mean.
i think you are correct re: needle length
it does depend on how deep (in my case) the scar you are treating is
1-1.5mm is deep enough to pierce the dermis layer and induce scar formation in certain areas; that is true
i can't wait to try the faster speed next round
also to do a GLIDE at a low length on my nose |
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:01 am |
Agreed on the highest speed. The device is easier to navigate on the skin.
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:09 am |
I'm actually quite pleased to see that Owndoc is planning to offer a knockoff product. It sort of validates the technology (since she is the only one that I have come across so far that has anything negative to say about the device).
I am just crazy about the Dermapen. I've had six treatments so far and I have never been disappointed. My lip lines are really beginning to fade and the skin on my neck has substantially improved. IMHO the pen is far more effective than the roller with much less discomfort, and the pen has the added benefit of being able to change settings on the fly. You'd have to have five different rollers with lengths ranging from .25 to 2.0mm to get the same effect. The only downside of that pen - maybe - is that since it covers a smaller surface it takes a bit longer to do the treatment. As you can see, I'm a big fan of this device. |
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:47 am |
Panda- are you going to get more treatments or just stop at 6 for now?
I agree with Panda on all the pluses of the Dermapen/My-m. Less pain, being able to change the depth of the needles. I also like that I can just throw away the needle cartridge after I use it. I did that with my dermaroller also but felt guilty about it. The needles are pretty cheap so I don't feel as bad. I am not saying anyone else has to do this but I just liked the extra caution.
It does take me longer to do a treatment because of the small needle head size and because I do a lot more stamping motion with the My-m then the dermaroller.
Does anyone else think that you are getting a lot more needle holes in your skin with the Dermapen?
I know the head size is a lot smaller then a roller but it goes so fast. It would be interesting if there was a study on this. Maybe someone studying transdermal medicine delivery would look into it. I would think they would like that the needles are disposable and that you can control how many punch holes there are. So it would be more standardized. |
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:36 pm |
WOW!! I watched a Dermapen being used today and it was fabulous!!! We use the medical grade Dermapen and we can set the needles from
.5 - 2.5. The glide product helps a lot and there was a lot of blood. I get to do it on another esthetician on Thursday and I am excited. |
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Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:10 pm |
| CookieD wrote: |
| Panda- are you going to get more treatments or just stop at 6 for now? |
Cookie, I'm not planning to stop the treatments (EVER!!). To date I've spaced them about four weeks apart. I will probably continue on the four week schedule for several more months and then move to a six week schedule and ultimately to an eight week schedule, but I see no reason to stop. With the laser stuff I was always concerned about melting fat, but the needling just seems so much more natural in terms of a way to increase collagen and also product penetration. |
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:39 am |
I did my second treatment last night with the My-M and I have arrived, somewhat at some new conclusions.
First, that the pen is not a direct replacement for the roller. I plan to keep using them both and for different purposes - but together, they improve the whole process.
Last night, I used the pen around my eyes and the corners of my face around my lips and nose where the roller doesn't reach or "bend" well. This was perfect and fast. Using the fastest speed and longest needle length, I developed a "mist" of blood all over my face.
I used my 1.5 mm roller over the broad areas of my face (cheeks and neck and backs of hands). Lots of blood drawn, but not a mist, rather large droplets in random places. I move fast so as to avoid "dragging" the roller.
This time, for the first time ever, after I wiped away the numbing cream, I applied my vitamin serum and "rolled" or "stamped" it in while working over my face. It seems like over time, I keep reading references indicating that the holes/channels close more quickly than I previously thought.
After completing all sections, I washed my skin thoroughly with the tea tree wash, then covered it with more vitamin oil, then a cool mask to occlude everything and went to sleep.
This morning I woke up with lots of swelling, but I suppose this is normal.
With my next treatment, I plan to concentrate on stamping directly over any lines on my face - such as the 11s, to concentrate in those areas.
I think the ideal thing would be automated stampers in two sizes. The one we currently have for part of the face and one with a larger "footprint" for wide areas of skin.
Onward, BFG |
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:23 pm |
| Update on my nose! I have managed to eradicate the broken caps at the sides of my nose after three treatments. |
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:54 pm |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
I keep reading references indicating that the holes/channels close more quickly than I previously thought. |
Hi BFG, I don't know if you saw this study I posted in another thread but it has pretty compelling evidence that the channels stay open for a lot longer then first thought.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3160154/ |
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Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:56 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Update on my nose! I have managed to eradicate the broken caps at the sides of my nose after three treatments. |
That's great Keliu. |
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:05 am |
Keliu that's great. I wasn't sure if it was effective on broken caps.
If anyone can help with an issue:
I've decided I am going to get the a automated derma stamp. My roller came, I used it once and the second time I used it I swear the needles hurt more, like a particular needle, maybe a needle has bent already ...Ugh!! So I've decided to try this derma stamp, as there is an advantage over the disposable needle heads.
The link provided before of one on sale via eBay has sold but I have found a couple other sellers of a similar Chinese product. I'm hoping they are good, and the needles good at least. However for future reference are most of these needles sold on eBay compatible with this Chinese Mym product or should I just stick with the same seller?
This is the one I'm thinking of : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380622855899&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Does it look okay? I'm very nervous I'll get a totally different product . They seem to get good eBay feedback and rating.  |
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:55 am |
| dionie wrote: |
Keliu that's great. I wasn't sure if it was effective on broken caps.
If anyone can help with an issue:
I've decided I am going to get the a automated derma stamp. My roller came, I used it once and the second time I used it I swear the needles hurt more, like a particular needle, maybe a needle has bent already ...Ugh!! So I've decided to try this derma stamp, as there is an advantage over the disposable needle heads.
The link provided before of one on sale via eBay has sold but I have found a couple other sellers of a similar Chinese product. I'm hoping they are good, and the needles good at least. However for future reference are most of these needles sold on eBay compatible with this Chinese Mym product or should I just stick with the same seller?
This is the one I'm thinking of : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380622855899&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Does it look okay? I'm very nervous I'll get a totally different product . They seem to get good eBay feedback and rating. |
I'm not exactly sure what you're worried about - the MyM model needle pen is manufactured in China, that is the one that most of us are purchasing. The brand name DermaPen is significantly more expensive. |
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:36 pm |
Thanks keliu,
I suppose I'm worried I'll get something different to what you all have gotten or that the needle catridges may be a little difficult to find. As long as all these ones on ebay use the same catridges then I shouldn't be worried, I suppose. Just don't want to get something I cant buy catridges for in the future or doesn't work as well as the real thing. But you're right, the fact you all use it here gives me heaps of confidence so thank you. Im just a worrywart  
I'm now waiting for a reply from the seller and will be purchasing for sure. Im hoping it will also help with my broken caps, only time will tell.
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:49 pm |
| I think I'd be safe in saying that the MyM sold on Ebay would be the same model, no matter which seller you purchase from. The MyM is a knock-off of the much more expensive (and probably superior) DermaPen - but IMO the MyM is perfectly fine for our home-use treatments. |
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:12 pm |
I am just crazy enough about skincare to want to go to this conference in June:
http://www.iecsc.com/las-vegas
Check out the schedule - Dr. Setterfield is giving a presentation on his latest needling research.
Also, there is a Vitamin C presentation and so many other fascinating (IMO!) topics and presenters and exhibitors.
I would probably end up asking too many questions and driving the audiences crazy. You guys know how I am, lol.
But seriously, I might actually enjoy this, lol.
BFG
oh! PS Cookie - that article you posted was sooo interesting, thanks for that. |
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:03 pm |
That spa expo website has lots of interesting info, check out this needling device:
http://www.dermatude.com/f-a-q/
There are lots of different devices. I went out on the web to look around - suddenly needling is the new hot thing. Looks like they overcame the fear that it would eat into the laser business.
Gosh, I remember when Bethany first started posting about it...wow we have come a long, long way since!
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:10 pm |
I recently bought a 1.5 derma stamp to use on my acne scars and they are so much easier to use than the rollers. I didnt use any numbing cream but the pain was tolerable. I got more blood from stamping than rolling.
Just wondering how does the derma pen work?
Is it like an automated dermastamp? Like do you put the pen on your skin and drag across the other areas of ur face? I am havign a hard time visualing it. lol
Because it's automated Im kinda afraid it will go too fast. not sure if I should try this or just stick to stamping manually. |
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:57 pm |
The Dermapen has either 11 or 17 needles and they move up and down pretty fast. You can adjust the speed, imagine a sewing machine needle - but lots and on your face or body!
I did a girl's C-section scar and stretch marks today. I can't wait to see how it looks tomorrow. I worked on an area from hip to hip and some of the Dermapen serum (HA) dried up while I was working. When it dried and got tacky, there was so much less glide. I think it is very important to use something for slip.
I used 2.5 depth and kept the speed at 3 (out of 10). |
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:38 am |
I did my eyelids last night for the first time ever using the My-M and wow, using even a shorter needle setting, they still sting this morning. That area is sensitive.
I've always used my roller in the past on dry skin, but with the pen, I make sure I have something liquid on my skin to help the pen move across it.
It dawned on me last night (sometimes I am slow) why needling is a hot topic at these medspa conferences - it can be performed more easily by more staff without extensive training and financial investment, unlike big laser machines in derm offices. Needling really is a good fit for the medspa business - especially since many won't be self torturing like we do lol.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:31 am |
How much eyelid do you do, brave girl? I hope just under the eyebrow. Even thinking about any lower makes me queasy.  |
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:18 pm |
| faeriedust wrote: |
I recently bought a 1.5 derma stamp to use on my acne scars and they are so much easier to use than the rollers. I didnt use any numbing cream but the pain was tolerable. I got more blood from stamping than rolling.
Just wondering how does the derma pen work?
Is it like an automated dermastamp? Like do you put the pen on your skin and drag across the other areas of ur face? I am havign a hard time visualing it. lol
Because it's automated Im kinda afraid it will go too fast. not sure if I should try this or just stick to stamping manually. |
you can use it as either
stamp or glide
see this video
16 minutes but watch till the end
the demonstration shows use as an AUTOMATED STAMP
at longer needle lengths towards the end
since i am new and cannot post links to outside websites,
go to youtube
copy and paste this description:
Dermapen Training Instructional Video private
it is the first video after the advertisements
it is 16:05 minutes |
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Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:06 am |
Under the eyebrow and a little bit on the crease area - wow, probably won't do that again - it stings.
I need to report that one of my 11 lines is really fading after 3 pen treatments in the past 4 months....I am so happy about this.
I stopped getting Botox for that area, so its good to know there are effective alternatives.
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Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:38 pm |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
Under the eyebrow and a little bit on the crease area - wow, probably won't do that again - it stings.
I need to report that one of my 11 lines is really fading after 3 pen treatments in the past 4 months....I am so happy about this.
I stopped getting Botox for that area, so its good to know there are effective alternatives.
BFG |
Wow that's great. I've only used my derma stamp on a scar on my forearm two times (just the manual one for now until my Mym 'copy' arrives) and so far my scar is fading. Can't believe it, so I'm really believing in this method.
May I ask do you (or anyone) use different settings on different parts of the face with this device? That video link above certainly recommends that but just wanted to see what every one's doing on the neck, chin, nose or bonier areas (such as forehead or orbital eye area).
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Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:32 am |
| The Dermapen people suggest lower settings around the eyes and forehead (.25-.5). Most of you ladies are much more aggressive than they suggest! |
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