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free skin care · Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:34 am

Sinead86 wrote:

portland wrote:

yes.. I bought it on september 2010...
I used it on legs... 90% reduction... I should have about.. 10 hairs each legs... it lookss funny haha... Laughing

Hi portland, I was just wondering if you stuck pretty closely to the recommended schedule for treatments (so, once every two weeks for 3 months, then once a month etc.)? Or if you treat more often/less often than recommended?

When i started every two weeks.. when I was in the third month i decided to use it every 2 weeks too.. but.. sometimes was not necessary... when hair started to grow again.. i decided to do it again...

then I was 1 month off.. I was lazy haha...

and then I resumed the treatment because the hair started to grow again in gew patches... and then.. 90% hair reduction..
Now i do not treat the enrite area.. just the hair left.

free skin care · Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:44 am

I'm new to this thread - I've only skimmed my way through it so if this question has been covered before I apologize.

I want to use this device for skin rejuvenation so I will be purchasing the appropriate head. Can anyone give me any feedback on how this device works on broken capillaries and general skin rejuvenation? How does it compare to a professional IPL treatment? TIA.

Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:43 pm

First of all thanks too all you wonderful folks for sharing your thoughts and experience with the VISS. Definitely helped me to make the decision to get one.

I have a question about the timing of applying carbon dye after using an epilator or waxing. Does it have to be right after or could be the next day or a couple of days later? Does it change the efficacy of the IPL treatment?

If anyone knows or have any experience with this can give me an answer it would be great! Thanks again!!

free skin care · Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:43 am

I'm a little disappointed that I didn't receive any feedback as to the effectiveness of this device on broken capillaries and sun damage - however, someone was good enough to PM me with some advice though.

I have now read through the entire thread and whilst it does seem to be good for hair removal, the vote is still out on skin rejuvenation. I recently returned my PaloVia due to a defect and have just received the refund money. So I'm willing to give the Viss IPL a try. I'm not that hairy, so hair removal is not one of my main priorities. I'm more interesting it trying to do something about the sun damage on my chest area and a few broken caps on my face.

I emailed Viss to see whether they had any discount codes going at the moment and they replied immediately saying that they are offering free worldwide shipping and a $45.00 refund on the price(a total saving of$95.00). So it looks as though I'll have to give this a try.

Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:32 am

I'll be waiting to hear back how this worked for you. My main problems are hyperpigmentation and broken vessels on my cheeks. Would love to hear that it works well. Very Happy

Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:10 pm

I've been using the viss unit for quite some time. The only thing I can say is that it has slowed down the growth of my hair some, but I have hair thicker that most! It also did not work at all on my beard. I've been looking I to the E-one but its now being released I the united states due to FDA approvals. I have came across a site that will ship to the us but I'm saving up for now. Has anyone purchased for here before??? www pardomuanshop com?? Please let me know. I thick the E-one my be my best bet being a guy and having thick thick hair.

free skin care · Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:59 pm

Also interested to see how this works for facial rejuvenation. Anyone have any comments? Smile

free skin care · Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:22 am

Hittin40 wrote:

Also interested to see how this works for facial rejuvenation. Anyone have any comments? Smile

So will I! I am an IPL veteran - I've had numerous treatments in the past and they've been very successful at treating broken capillaries and uneven skin tone. However, my treatments have always been quite aggressive and have usually left me swollen and bruised. This has never particularly worried me because I definitely believe in the "No pain no gain" saying.

However, my recent treatment wasn't very successful. The nurse said that she would use a high setting and afterwards my face was red. But later on in the day, my face was completely back to normal, there was no indication that I had anything done at all. And the few broken capillaries that I still have on my cheeks are still there. I've phoned the clinic to complain and they're going to do it again.

I've noticed that there have been allot of complaints about IPL treatments on various forums lately. People are complaining of their skin being damaged. I believe this is because they weren't informed about the down-time that is necessary for a successful treatment. Therefore, clinics are becoming hesitant to send anyone out the door looking like they've been hit by a truck and are doing less invasive treatments.

Anyway, all of this makes me wonder how successful the Viss IPL is going to be for skin rejuvenation - considering that the machine used for my last treatment cost $380,000. I'll have to wait and see.

Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:21 am

Can anyone help me to decide!!! The site i mentioned seems to have the best prices on the market and also has units that are currently not sold here in the USA. Before I order I STILL want to know if anyone has used them and can recommend this supplier.
I really want to but the E-one ipl home device based on output and reviews it's by far the best home device on the market.

free skin care · Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:08 pm

Legacy2010 wrote:

Can anyone help me to decide!!! The site i mentioned seems to have the best prices on the market and also has units that are currently not sold here in the USA. Before I order I STILL want to know if anyone has used them and can recommend this supplier.
I really want to but the E-one ipl home device based on output and reviews it's by far the best home device on the market.

I can't advise you on which device to purchase - because I suppose it's a matter of trying it and deciding whether you like it or not. The E ONE is only for hair removal and not skin rejuvenation though. The prices onwww.pardomuanshop.com seem really good though. I Googled and found the E One website http://www.pardomuanshop.com/17-e-one-ipl-hair-remover.html and I looked at the contact information and was surprised to see that this is being sold in Australia (I'm an Aussie). I would definitely have confidence in buying a machine that was being sold here - but the price is AUD$2,495.00 compared to $550.00 from Pardomuan. How can that be??? Are the machines on Pardomuan new or re-serviced? I notice that the kit from E One includes a "pencil and pencil sharpener" - maybe that explains the price difference!!!!

There's a review and video on the E One here:
http://www.thebeautyreview.com.au/all-reviews/body-care/e-one-ipl-hair-removal/

I think some more research is needed on this one.

Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:48 pm

KenLee wrote:

First of all thanks too all you wonderful folks for sharing your thoughts and experience with the VISS. Definitely helped me to make the decision to get one.

I have a question about the timing of applying carbon dye after using an epilator or waxing. Does it have to be right after or could be the next day or a couple of days later? Does it change the efficacy of the IPL treatment?

If anyone knows or have any experience with this can give me an answer it would be great! Thanks again!!

KenLee, I do use the blue carbon dye in my VISS treatments and find it to be effective. However i do not have a "right answer" for your question as to the timing of applying the dye following epilation of hair. It is my understanding that it should be done "sooner rather than later" so that the pores will still be fully open, allowing for the dye to get down to the root area.

The first time i used carbon dye was after i had first fully epilated the hair covering my chest (yes, i'm a guy). i waited until the next day to apply to carbon dye and do my VISS treatment. The reason was due to redness and irritation of the area immediately following that initial epilation. From what i can see, the results were in line with what i had hoped for. Since that first carbon dye treatment, I have applied the dye immediately following epilation.

i wish i could give a more definitive answer to your question, but not sure it's so black and white.

Hope this helps and good luck with your treatments... it's working great for me.

Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:20 pm

Keliu wrote:

I'm a little disappointed that I didn't receive any feedback as to the effectiveness of this device on broken capillaries and sun damage - however, someone was good enough to PM me with some advice though.

I have now read through the entire thread and whilst it does seem to be good for hair removal, the vote is still out on skin rejuvenation. I recently returned my PaloVia due to a defect and have just received the refund money. So I'm willing to give the Viss IPL a try. I'm not that hairy, so hair removal is not one of my main priorities. I'm more interesting it trying to do something about the sun damage on my chest area and a few broken caps on my face.

I emailed Viss to see whether they had any discount codes going at the moment and they replied immediately saying that they are offering free worldwide shipping and a $45.00 refund on the price(a total saving of$95.00). So it looks as though I'll have to give this a try.

Keliu, I purchased the skin rejuvenation cartridge when i first purchased my VISS unit and have now used it for 3 facial treatments. The results are just now beginning to show. Initially, i was under the impression that i should be seeing some immediate results for facial IPL treatments. That was before searching for more information on IPL skin rejuvenation treatments. After doing that, i learned that the results usually do not become apparent for a month to 6 weeks after beginning the treatments. It's because IPL impacts the dermis which is not visible, rather than the epidermis. It takes some time for the results to be visible on the surface. It's possible i've not done a very good job of explaining this here, but the data is available on the net.

While i do not have broken capillaries on my face, i do have 2 red spots which showed up a couple of years ago... nothing major or probably even all that noticeable to others but i wanted to see them gone. After 3 treatments, both of those red spots have been reduced to now being almost non-existent. i can also report that my skin looks smoother and tighter now than when i first begin my treatments.

i do have a few minor spider veins on my lower legs which i have not yet attempted to treat using the VISS IPL. i will start on them this week and post a follow-up to report on whether or not the treatments are working... after a couple of months.

i hope this helps.

Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:13 pm

clippered1 wrote:

KenLee wrote:

First of all thanks too all you wonderful folks for sharing your thoughts and experience with the VISS. Definitely helped me to make the decision to get one.

I have a question about the timing of applying carbon dye after using an epilator or waxing. Does it have to be right after or could be the next day or a couple of days later? Does it change the efficacy of the IPL treatment?

If anyone knows or have any experience with this can give me an answer it would be great! Thanks again!!

KenLee, I do use the blue carbon dye in my VISS treatments and find it to be effective. However i do not have a "right answer" for your question as to the timing of applying the dye following epilation of hair. It is my understanding that it should be done "sooner rather than later" so that the pores will still be fully open, allowing for the dye to get down to the root area.

The first time i used carbon dye was after i had first fully epilated the hair covering my chest (yes, i'm a guy). i waited until the next day to apply to carbon dye and do my VISS treatment. The reason was due to redness and irritation of the area immediately following that initial epilation. From what i can see, the results were in line with what i had hoped for. Since that first carbon dye treatment, I have applied the dye immediately following epilation.

i wish i could give a more definitive answer to your question, but not sure it's so black and white.

Hope this helps and good luck with your treatments... it's working great for me.

What process do you use for adding/removing the carbon dye?

I did a bit more research and it doesn't appear as harmful (carcenogenic) as I'd initially thought.

I figure I may as well try it on a very small test patch to see what happens.

I got some paper towel, held the bottle upside down against it, then dabbed it against the skin in that area. It turned a very very light blue.

I then wet another piece of paper towel, gently dabbed it until it no longer was that blue visually, then zapped it, then vigorously scrubbed it with rubbing alcohol until all the blue was gone.

Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:01 pm

I've been using the Viss IPL light treatment on the back of my hands and I think I've noticed an improvement. Has anyone else tried it there?

Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:22 pm

clippered1 wrote:

KenLee, I do use the blue carbon dye in my VISS treatments and find it to be effective. However i do not have a "right answer" for your question as to the timing of applying the dye following epilation of hair. It is my understanding that it should be done "sooner rather than later" so that the pores will still be fully open, allowing for the dye to get down to the root area.

The first time i used carbon dye was after i had first fully epilated the hair covering my chest (yes, i'm a guy). i waited until the next day to apply to carbon dye and do my VISS treatment. The reason was due to redness and irritation of the area immediately following that initial epilation. From what i can see, the results were in line with what i had hoped for. Since that first carbon dye treatment, I have applied the dye immediately following epilation.

i wish i could give a more definitive answer to your question, but not sure it's so black and white.

Hope this helps and good luck with your treatments... it's working great for me.

clippered1, thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and experience.

I got my VISS a couple of days ago and decided to use it today. I started epilating one of my arms and it was a little too painful to be subjected to my other arm! (It was my first time with an epilator!) Laughing

So I decided I will use it as an opportunity to see how well the results would compare to shaving vs epilation+carbon dye. I shaved the other arm and used the VISS on both. I noticed that i felt more stinging in the arm that was epilated (and applied carbon dye to) compared to the shaved arm. It could be because of the carbon dye actually did what it was suppose to do and absorbed the light energy better. I'm very interested in seeing the results as I move on with future treatments and will definitely post the results here as well.

I'm currently taking laser treatment on my chest and my last session was so painful.. But the VISS is definitely far less painful and completely bearable. I just hope it will be as effective as laser though.

As for removing the carbon dye I used a combination of rubbing alcohol and baking soda+hydrogen peroxide (a solution I found online). It took a while to clear of all the dye from my arm, but it did the job.

free skin care · Mon May 02, 2011 1:38 pm

Hi, do you know if the carbon dye would work with the Silkn? I think the technology is the same so it should also work with the Silkn?
I have hair on my upper legs that is too blonde to be removed with the Silkn and I'd love to try this. I wish I had known about the Viss before I purchased the Silkn as the cartridge costs do add up after awhile.

Tue May 03, 2011 11:48 am

lagomorph wrote:

Hi, do you know if the carbon dye would work with the Silkn? I think the technology is the same so it should also work with the Silkn?
I have hair on my upper legs that is too blonde to be removed with the Silkn and I'd love to try this. I wish I had known about the Viss before I purchased the Silkn as the cartridge costs do add up after awhile.

I'm not the best person to answer this, but I don't see why not. You should give it a try!

free skin care · Wed May 04, 2011 6:26 am

I received my Viss IPL today. Very fast service considering I only ordered it a few days ago. The company also refunded me the $45.00 discount immediately after they received my order plus the free shipping. The device was posted from Korea where I believe it's manufactured.

I used it for the first time tonight. I used the rejuvenation head on my chest and the hair head on under-arms and bikini line. It is extremely easy to use and I had no problems at all. For my chest I used setting 5 (the highest recommended for skin) and have to say that the device doesn't pack much of a punch compared to a professional device. Of course, that's to be expected. I really doubt anyone could do any harm to themselves with this. I am concerned that the device is too weak to provide any real benefit - but whether continued treatments will yield results is yet to be seen.

Thu May 05, 2011 1:19 am

I got the Viss a little couple weeks ago, and wasn't blown away by the results of the first treatment. I realize that's pretty much the wrong attitude--slow and steady wins the hairless body and what not, but I at least hoped to smell some burning hairs.

I decided to up my game and do some science. I bought some of the magic cancer carbon dye on amazon (probably not cancer), and set about disproving hypotheses, checking internal validity, then ran to do some design analysis. I stopped when I realized how boring science can be. Then I plucked a 2x3cm rectangle on my arm, painted half of it with the carbon dye, removed the dye with an alcohol swab, then blasted the area at level 8. The results after 5 days are shown below. No redness or blistering followed treatment. Of note, alcohol swabs are usually isopropyl alcohol, but the carbon dye says use ethyl--I assume because it knows you'll need to mix up some shots to handle the pain of epilating your whole body.

Now, I have an image of it, but the forum doesn't want me to post pictures for fear that I might be posting spam. Since I'm not posting spam, evading that rule shouldn't be a big deal. The image is at goo.gl / 3xV7n Just delete the spaces before/after slash and you'll be good to go. I have a larger, we'll say planet-sized version of the image too. Obviously, what worked on my 2x3cm rectangle might not work on your 2x3cm rectangle. Be careful, and please don't blame me if your arm falls off.

free skin care · Thu May 05, 2011 2:34 am

Here is dil's photo:

free skin care · Thu May 05, 2011 2:13 pm

Thanks for posting the photo. I think I'm going to try this with my next treatment. The silkn works well for me overall but on some areas the hair is simply too blonde to get any sort of result with it.

free skin care · Thu May 05, 2011 5:50 pm

Sorry if these are dumb questions:

Before using the laser, is it ok to epilate the hairs, or do you have to shave in order to leave some of the hair shaft there?

In the instructions, it doesn't say to apply the conductive gel for hair removal, only for skin regeneration. I'm presuming that the gel is needed for both procedures, is that right?

Does any one use the device more frequently than once a week?

Thu May 05, 2011 10:07 pm

Regarding the removal of dye, have any of you guys tried just hot water + soap? I used the rubbing alcohol, but found hot water + dial bar soap removed all of it from my skin after maybe 2 or 3 seconds of rubbing.

Thu May 05, 2011 10:58 pm

lagomorph wrote:

Hi, do you know if the carbon dye would work with the Silkn? I think the technology is the same so it should also work with the Silkn?
I have hair on my upper legs that is too blonde to be removed with the Silkn and I'd love to try this. I wish I had known about the Viss before I purchased the Silkn as the cartridge costs do add up after awhile.

Both the VISS and Silkn are IPL devices so carbon dye should work for either. It's just a matter of the carbon dye acting as a replacement for a shaft of hair containing melanin. The carbon dye actually is a more efficient conductor of heat going to the hair root than hair itself, at least as i understand it. At first, the process seems a bit messy and something of a hassle, but i'm finding the results well worth it.

Hope this helps.

Thu May 05, 2011 11:14 pm

Keliu wrote:

Sorry if these are dumb questions:

Before using the laser, is it ok to epilate the hairs, or do you have to shave in order to leave some of the hair shaft there?

In the instructions, it doesn't say to apply the conductive gel for hair removal, only for skin regeneration. I'm presuming that the gel is needed for both procedures, is that right?

Does any one use the device more frequently than once a week?

The VISS IPL is not a laser device. The only time it's ok to epilate before using an IPL device is when using the carbon dye approach. The carbon dye fills the empty pores which previously held the epilated hairs and in effect acts as a substitute for the hair. The IPL targets the melanin in the hair or the carbon dye when hairs have been epilated. So unless you are going to use blue carbon dye in conjunction with your treatment, you should shave the hair to be treated and NOT epilate.

The ultrasound/IPL conducting gel is only used for the VISS skin rejuvenation treatments. It is NOT used with the hair removal cartridge.

The manual says the VISS device is not to be used more than every 2 weeks for hair removal. It's my understanding it's no more effective to do treatments more often, even if it may not be harmful to the skin. However, I have used the skin rejuvenation weekly without any apparent problems.

Hope this answers your questions.

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