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Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:40 pm  |
Marber - I sent you a pm.
For Hermosa - I just started CM's routine about 6 weeks ago and it is amazing. I was so happy and neurotic with Flex Effect and skeptical about changing but the 8 minute superset of CM working out well with less time - great results. I still put in a few of my favorite FE's that aren't addressed by CM's (plus I love the FE jolting and bone massage piece) but overall I have no complaints about Cm. It was worth the cash outlay.
It is likely I will incorporate FE again - changing things up at some point but I'm really seeing nice quick results with CM. |
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Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:08 am |
LOL well I'd like to share my experience if that helps Hermosa and the others. Its different than Sis's though so its worth sharing.
I have Ultimate Facercise and new FlexEffect, and for me the hands down winner in my opinion is FlexEffect. I've tried Facercise several times and just can't get my head round the exercises.... not matter how much I visualise. Also she never says really what muscles your working on, in the dvd they just highlight sections of the face. Yes Carole does answer emails, sometimes with one sentence, which I have not found helpful I have to say. I never get the famous "Burn" in all the exercises, and in speaking with people privately, I've found I'm not the only one. I get it in the lip one, but I used to get it in the original lip exercise (and the new one is only shorter than the one on the advanced facercise dvd for info).
The new FlexEffect is my love at the moment. I've done facial exercises for a few years now (since early 50's), and everything from Eva Fraser, to Facial Magic (which I thought at the time was the best) and then about 2 years ago I found FlexEffect. The 2nd edition I tried for ages, and never felt comfortable with my interpetation of the instructions, nor the fact that the dvd didn't demo it all. Well the third edition has sorted me out on that one. The dvd demos everything (which in my mind is alone worth the dosh), but also the advanced techniques like bone stuff and skin cross stretching is there. Albeit I didn't pay close attention to the instructions and dived straight in, but have to say my face felt fantastic the first day. NL's are something that I thought I would live with forever, as my mother, grand mother and great grandmother always had them, and its never been a biggie for me as I figured I'd always have them too thanks to genetics, but got to say the first thing that my dh noticed was that they were starting to lessen within a week or two of starting, and I'm happy to say that they are so faint now that I often catch myself checking the mirror looking for them. I did try another form of bone exercises before (that was given to me by someone on here and I've written about in the past and had disasterous results from (but have to hold my hands up as I was responsible for not checking that I was getting the official instructions for - this was merely the posters interpretion of the photos in a book in a different language than the person who was exchanging PM's with me spoke). So it was also wonderful to finally get instructions and details about bone in English and exercising it. Plus I think Deb and Audrea look fantastic. If I can get to look like half of Deb in the next few years I'll be one happy lady (but I'd be even happier if I can encourage my hands to look like Kassy's as they are fantastic).
ALso I think its great that she wrote about liagments as that was one question that the derms always used to argue why facial exercises couldn't work and Deb answers this in the book with a no-nonsense kind of fashion really explaining what they are and what can and cannot happen due to training them. No other author that I know of has ever answered that question in my mind.
I am not sure that Carole's stuff will work the bone or the skin. I also find it strange that she encourages people to use the mits aggressively but doesn't handle the face at all with massage or anything. I'm not sure either that I can see that it will work the muscles rather than just toning them for the reasons cm put in the facercise thread about resistance and the actual muscles having to work. It got quite technical and over my head but I suggest people read the facercise thread also for CM's messages (not CM is a poster here who is not Carole Maggio but has a great knowledge of the body and anatomy).
Just sharing my views, and while they are not for everyone (as I doubt anyones personal views are) think its interesting for contrast sometimes to get different opinions.
Theresa
| Hermosa wrote: |
I have the opposite experience -- because the Ageless exercises are 20 reps, they seem to take forever. I haven't seen the videotape though.
I have earlier versions of Facercise and FE, and so far have not heard enough about the extra benefits of the new programs -- not just the format changes -- to want to invest in them. |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:12 pm |
Hi,
Don't have time to post much but did want to give my opinion on Carole's new program.
Just to give a little background - I do have Ageless & Flex Effect (3rd Edition) & altho I have done these I admit to being somewhat inconsistent & frankly at times lazy! LOL
So I bought this & just got it a wk ago.
I have her book from years ago with the before & after photos after 6 days that I have always thought were fabricated. (even tho I do still think that the makeup in the afters is more artfully applied)
After doing this for exactly 6 days I am not so sure I was right about those photos!
The difference for me has been startling. Not sure about the cheeks at this point, but the jaw & neckline in just 6 sessions is nothing short of remarkable. (these have been problem areas for me for years)Also the lip plumper exercise is amazing although a bit tricky to get the hang of.
I will continue this exclusively for at least 3 more weeks & see how I do & report back. I don't know why these should be so effective so quickly all I know is that they have been! What a great find ! |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:23 pm |
| Thanks for the input. I am ready to change things up a bit, though I am also beginning to despair of any facial exercise helping restore fullness. But if I can look better in a week...I don't know, that's awfully tempting. |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:31 pm |
Hi again. For short term results I agree about the Facercise program. In terms of not being able to feel the burn, this is one reason why Carole does skype classes - for those who need help finding the burn and getting the right face position, and the right movement. This is important. With the right position, visualization, etc it would be unavoidable. Once you have it - it's great.
The burn component for me is out of this world noticeable, though some exercises more than others. The lower face lift I get from these exercises is the best I've ever had.
I never have had the tired look - I did get that with flex effect.
Please know I appreciate flex effect - I just didn't get the quick (obvious) results and also had some uglies. FE is more comprehensive - more information packed and also does show the muscles involved and gives alternative exercises.
Also I do (From FE)... the scalp flex, a nose ex and a few times a week I do an extra cheek, eye or lip exercise from FE - those that I love for the extra bump. Old habits die hard!
Right now the mainstay for me is Facercise and I've been very happy with both time and results.
Whichever program you use I think the key to success is getting the exercises correct and staying motivated - |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:49 pm |
| Hi everyone, I've been doing the exercises from the Ultimate Facercise DVD for about a week now. I get the proper feeling and burn from all of the exercises. I just can't get the lip plumper to work for me. I basically feel nothing when I do it. It's surprising to me considering I get a great burn on the other exercises. Does anybody have any tips for me on this one? I would really appreciate it. Thank you. |
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:52 pm |
| packratmack wrote: |
| Hi everyone, I've been doing the exercises from the Ultimate Facercise DVD for about a week now. I get the proper feeling and burn from all of the exercises. I just can't get the lip plumper to work for me. I basically feel nothing when I do it. It's surprising to me considering I get a great burn on the other exercises. Does anybody have any tips for me on this one? I would really appreciate it. Thank you. |
Does you lip feel numb? Carole stated that if your lip feels numb that is considered a burn. I don't feel a burn either when doing the lip plumper, but my upper lip does feel numb when doing it. |
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:40 am |
| No, I don't feel much at all. I did hear the part on the dvd where she says the numbness is like having the burn. I guess I will have to just keep trying. |
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:09 am |
Cabrita, Packratmack and Sis
I'm happy for you (and also jealous) as about the only exercise I can get the burn on is the lip.
Ive still not found sufficient data/studies to prove that the burn is a healthy thing to constantly encourage, and even when I emailed them about this, they haven't been forthcoming with a response, so I guess its different strokes for different folks. I'm kind of glad that FlexEffect doesn't encourage the burn. I've recently been doing a body exercise system where the author says that getting the burn isn't actually a good thing (she developed it in the 80's) and I have to say looks darned good (Maria Putkisto).
I wish I could get it, but it just doesnt seem to work for me. I don't have a webcam either (as that would be my next choice, but having kiddies I know they'd be skyping all day and all night if I did so best not to). |
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:24 am |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
Cabrita, Packratmack and Sis
I'm happy for you (and also jealous) as about the only exercise I can get the burn on is the lip.
Ive still not found sufficient data/studies to prove that the burn is a healthy thing to constantly encourage, and even when I emailed them about this, they haven't been forthcoming with a response, so I guess its different strokes for different folks. I'm kind of glad that FlexEffect doesn't encourage the burn. I've recently been doing a body exercise system where the author says that getting the burn isn't actually a good thing (she developed it in the 80's) and I have to say looks darned good (Maria Putkisto).
I wish I could get it, but it just doesnt seem to work for me. I don't have a webcam either (as that would be my next choice, but having kiddies I know they'd be skyping all day and all night if I did so best not to). |
I don't concentrate on getting the burn. I concentrate on doing the exercises. I don't know...maybe, I'm doing it wrong however, I still like the results. |
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:20 am |
Do you get the burn at all Skincarefreak when you do the exercises? I mean I know form is important, and from what I can see, I'm doing it almost identically but I dont feel the burn in anything but the lips.
I can't find info on whether the burn is actually healthy. Yes I know we've been told to go for the burn since Jane Fonda, but there's little proof that its actually a good thing which makes me wonder if its wise to strive for it. I mean if we're not getting the burn, it doesn't mean we're not exercising. I know I read somewhere that there was a facial exercise teacher (think it was Shawn) who said not to go for the burn. Who knows.
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| I don't concentrate on getting the burn. I concentrate on doing the exercises. I don't know...maybe, I'm doing it wrong however, I still like the results. |
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:10 am |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
Do you get the burn at all Skincarefreak when you do the exercises? I mean I know form is important, and from what I can see, I'm doing it almost identically but I dont feel the burn in anything but the lips.
I can't find info on whether the burn is actually healthy. Yes I know we've been told to go for the burn since Jane Fonda, but there's little proof that its actually a good thing which makes me wonder if its wise to strive for it. I mean if we're not getting the burn, it doesn't mean we're not exercising. I know I read somewhere that there was a facial exercise teacher (think it was Shawn) who said not to go for the burn. Who knows.
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| I don't concentrate on getting the burn. I concentrate on doing the exercises. I don't know...maybe, I'm doing it wrong however, I still like the results. |
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To be honest, since I read your concerns regarding the burn, I haven't striven for it. If I strive for it, I can feel it however, I don't think it's needed to make the exercises work. I think it's more the positioning of the face. |
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:43 pm |
Thats good to know. I wish there was something concrete about the burn, but guess its one of those things like facial exercises, people either believe or don't. But at least with facial exercises there have been some studies, I'm not able to find anything about the burn, which makes me think its a bit of an urban myth that you need to go for.
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| To be honest, since I read your concerns regarding the burn, I haven't striven for it. If I strive for it, I can feel it however, I don't think it's needed to make the exercises work. I think it's more the positioning of the face. |
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Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:27 pm |
| I just want to give an update on 2 1/2 weeks on facercise. Areas where I see definite improvement are brows lifted, upper lip, and nasal labial folds. I just noticed the NL fold thing tonight. I was feeling my face and I thought "Hey where are those indentations I used to have? It doesn't sink in here anymore!" I am keeping fingers crossed this is not just my imagination. |
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Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:00 pm |
| packratmack wrote: |
| No, I don't feel much at all. I did hear the part on the dvd where she says the numbness is like having the burn. I guess I will have to just keep trying. |
A while ago I posted that I could not feel the lip burn either but now I totally do. I think it takes time to be able to learn to isolate the muscle. And I took the advice that was given to use your finger to push the lip up while using the lip to press down. Before I was was trying to press the lip inward but now I try to press down and it makes a big difference. |
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Sat May 01, 2010 2:30 pm |
Lipper - Hooray  - I'm glad it's working. I don't get a burn with the lip but I definitely know it's working. I love the result.
I'm quite happy with the 8 minutes. I am amazed at the effectiveness in such a short workout.
Have also started back with new FE doing pressure reps, jolting, cross stretching. LOVE IT 
I'm so happy about facial exercising - it still amazes me what a tremendous benefit it is for the health and appearance of the face. |
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Sat May 01, 2010 5:43 pm |
I have a question for adherents of the Carole Maggio program: Are there any of the exercises that you don't do, either because you have found them to be detrimental or you don't need work in that particular area? Or does everyone pretty much do the whole program?
For example the neck thing where you stick out your tongue I think is just going to narrow my neck even more than it already is and make my neck cords show more. |
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Sat May 01, 2010 8:09 pm |
I do all of them. I thought of the neck exercise to firm vs thin the neck but I see what you mean. Lucky you if you have a thin neck - so many really wish they did.
I just want to prevent sag and I think it does a great job of that. |
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Sun May 02, 2010 3:02 am |
Hi Lipper, Thank you for your tip regarding the lip plumper. I definitely am getting much more of a numbness when I do it the way you suggested.
I appreciate your help. |
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Mon May 03, 2010 4:07 pm |
| Just an observation. It is my opinion that the nose transformer is detrimental to enlargening the lip. I started doing it and while it has lifted my nose, this has seemed to lengthen my philtrum and thus making my lip look smaller. So I will be eliminating that exercise. |
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Mon May 03, 2010 7:46 pm |
Interesting. I have not noticed this - I've been doing the nose shortener for a long time - way before getting the CM facercise program. I focus the downward pull on the base of the nose.
I wonder if anyone else has noticed a lengthening of the philtrum. |
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Mon May 03, 2010 7:52 pm |
It could be a case-by-case thing. I used to have an ENORMOUS nose, and had a nose job about 20 years ago. That's when I started noticing I had no upper lip. My mom pointed out that since my nose was now shorter, it accentuated the philtrum and made my lip look smaller. I guess there is really no reason for me to do the nose exercise having already had the surgery, but I was thinking you were supposed to do the whole program. I think if I had to choose between a nose getting longer and a good upper lip, I'd choose the lip, that's just my preference.  |
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Mon May 03, 2010 7:57 pm |
| Lipper - this may not be necessary for you or you could just do it every third time for maintenance: as we all know the nose continues to grow. |
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Tue May 04, 2010 9:56 am |
| I think if you do the nose shortener exercise along with the lip plumper that would not happen. The new version of the lip plumper exercise sufficiently plumps the entire upper lip area which would decrease the area between the nose tip and the mouth. If you do the lip plumper 3-4 times a day, your lips become even more plumped Best regards, Aprile |
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Tue May 04, 2010 4:12 pm |
| Some things work. Some things don't work. We are all different however, I haven't seen that happen with me. My lips have been plump after each exercise and I do the nose shortner as well. |
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