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Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:13 pm  |
| Tonia wrote: |
Unbelievable!!! DM, thank you for posting that. I will definitely be more careful now.
I have been using alcohol. I put it in a spray bottle and spritz the roller before and after use. I thought alcohol was the strongest disinfectant. JJ, you mentioned switching to 1/2 water and 1/2 bleach. Is that better?
The place where your sister works looks divine. |
Tonia, bleach is phenomenal for getting rid of bacteria. I've emailed Sherry (my sis) and she'll get back to me as soon as she checks her email.
Isn't that a lovely place? She lives in the mountains on the border of Georgia and North Carolina, lots of resorts there, so quite a few spas as well for such a rural area. Waterfall, where she works, is a private country club and those ladies do love their spa treatments!
Re bleach, I just found this:
Chlorine bleach is another accepted liquid sterilizing agent. Household bleach consists of 5.25% sodium hypochlorite. It is usually diluted to 1/10 immediately before use; however to kill Mycobacterium tuberculosis it should be diluted only 1/5, and 1/2.5 (1 part bleach and 1.5 parts water) to inactivate prions. The dilution factor must take into account the volume of any liquid waste that it is being used to sterilize. Bleach will kill many organisms immediately, but for full sterilization it should be allowed to react for 20 minutes. Bleach will kill many, but not all spores. It is highly corrosive and may corrode even stainless steel surgical instruments.
Bleach decomposes over time when exposed to air, so fresh solutions should be made daily.
I probably will not use the 1/2 water, 1/2 bleach formula, because that would be so corrosive, especially if you are letting the roller sit for 20 minutes. I think I'll dilute mine a bit more, and I am only going to clean the one I use for deep rolling this way (my 0.5mm). The 0.2mm I am going to continue cleaning with alcohol, but I do let mine sit in alcohol for five minutes, then hold under hot running water and let it air-dry. ~JJ |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:40 pm |
Okay, just got a reply from my sister about sterilization:
You guys need to get a disinfectant like "Cavicide" or even "Barbicide", & leave the tool in it for 20 minutes....this is after you have washed it with ANTI-BACTERIAL SOAP & WATER. The disinfectant we use MUST be a virucide, bacteriacide, fungicide, & tubercularcide. Can buy a spray bottle at Massage Warehouse, or any place that carries spa stuff, facial stuff, etc. An autoclave would probably be inappropriate as it would more than likely ruin the tool.
We use High Frequency on the skin to kill bacteria post extraction, NOT microcurrent!!! (Or, the BLUE LED will kill bacteria.)
Hope this helps!
ETA: I saw a documentary about MRSA recently, and they were using bleach to wipe down all surfaces in their home, wash clothing, etc. |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:07 pm |
JJ
Is your sister talking about tools that are used on different people? Surely a dermaroller would only be used once on a client then discarded? They wouldn't use the same roller on different clients would they?
Is it clear that we are talking about implements that are for personal use only? |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:26 pm |
| I work in a long term care facility where there has been cases of MRSA and bleach was used for all cleaning because it's the only thing apparently that's effective for killing MRSA. But it is very corrosive. |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:42 pm |
jj and all,
I want to tell you a true occurance that happened to my ex.
While at work helping unpack supplies he was bitten by a tiny spider, he just happened to see the little bugger, within 2 days he had a very sore red bump between his cuticle and top knuckle. The following day he called me from
work to say it (really his whole arm) felt like somebody had put their knee on it and beared down all force, I called our family doctor who had me call my ex and get his butt home immediately while our doc called the local orthopedic surgeon (telling me if he wasn't available he would call 4-5 others in the surrounding area). It turned out that tiny little spider and the minuscule fangs (we couldn't see any breaks in the skin and no blood was drawn) caused an infection between the lining of the muscle (think that tough membrane on a beef roast) and the muscle itself, a staff infection. He was rushed in to surgery for I&D and IV antibiotics, or he could have lost his hand or worse his entire arm! Now a statistic 1 in 3 people carry regular staff and the resistant strain is becoming more and more common! My ex had his nail removed below the cuticle along with a good of skin and was in the hospital for 24 hours on high dose antibiotics and home on a double dose of oral antibiotics for 3 weeks and he lucked out! I am
not trying to be an alarmist but even those tiny needles are at least as long as a very small spiders fangs and must break the skin enough that you need to respect how sanitary you need to keep things! jj you asked me at one point what I roll with well I don't I am allergic to 3 major families of broad spectrum antibiotics, penicillin and all man made of the same, all sulfa Bactrim nearly killed me and all cephalasporans, so even though I don't feel the need personally at this time almost 56 I for me wouldn't risk it, I hope you can see why. Any information I have posted is out of concern for those who already do and those who are considering starting to do so!
I hope that clears everything up about my interest in the subject.
Please be careful all!
DM |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:04 pm |
jj- my OOPS! on the type of machine a Derma Wand is. It is microfrequency, not microcurrent. Glad your sis is on top of things!
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| We use High Frequency on the skin to kill bacteria post extraction, NOT microcurrent!!! (Or, the BLUE LED will kill bacteria.) |
Do you know any place we can get one of the cleansers your sister mentioned? A cavacide or barbacide? (Need to look those up).
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| The disinfectant we use MUST be a virucide, bacteriacide, fungicide, & tubercularcide. |
Doesn't Tea Tree Oil fit in this category? Maybe a little TTOil in w/ the cleanser or alcohol would fit this bill. JMHO |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:13 pm |
foxe,
Barbucide is avalible at any beauty supply store including Sally's it's that blue liquid (diluted) salons and barber shops are required to soak brushes and combs in between uses!
HTH
DM |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:14 pm |
Now that I've looked up a CaviCide and barbicide, I can see that those were excellent suggestions from your sister, jj.
Why has no one mentioned those before!?
While the barbicide is rather retro looking, I don't think I'd want one on my bathroom counter, so I may look into the CaviCide instead. Still would like to find a local place to get one. And - I'm thinking that the tea tree oil might fit in until I find some CaviCide. After all - TTO is a fungicide, antiseptic, anti-bacterial and anti viral
Thanks again jj. Your sister rocks! |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:20 pm |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
JJ
Is your sister talking about tools that are used on different people? Surely a dermaroller would only be used once on a client then discarded? They wouldn't use the same roller on different clients would they?
Is it clear that we are talking about implements that are for personal use only? |
The reason the dermarollers used by professionals are discarded after use is because an autoclave would destroy the needles, most surgical instruments are sterilized in one and reused, otherwise the cost would become prohibitive! They are made of surgical stainless steal unlike the needles! |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:28 pm |
The Barbicide can be purchased in a bottle and used in any attractive sterile glass container of your choice! Those units they are showing are the standard old fashioned Barber shop models!
HTH
DM
| foxe wrote: |
Now that I've looked up a CaviCide and barbicide, I can see that those were excellent suggestions from your sister, jj.
Why has no one mentioned those before!?
While the barbicide is rather retro looking, I don't think I'd want one on my bathroom counter, so I may look into the CaviCide instead. Still would like to find a local place to get one. And - I'm thinking that the tea tree oil might fit in until I find some CaviCide. After all - TTO is a fungicide, antiseptic, anti-bacterial and anti viral
Thanks again jj. Your sister rocks! |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:55 pm |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
JJ
Is your sister talking about tools that are used on different people? Surely a dermaroller would only be used once on a client then discarded? They wouldn't use the same roller on different clients would they?
Is it clear that we are talking about implements that are for personal use only? |
Hi, Miranda. This sentence is discussing general sterilization of tools for spas and clinics in the state of Georgia:
The disinfectant we use MUST be a virucide, bacteriacide, fungicide, & tubercularcide.
They do not do dermarolling at this spa nor at any spa she has worked at. She was speaking about general requirements for sterilization only.
She does have a 0.25mm dermaroller for her personal use at home. And yes, she knows that we have all our own personal rollers. She was saying that if we are concerned about alcohol not being enough to protect us, a 20 minute soak in Barbicide and/or Cavicide would be sufficient to sterilize these rollers, after washing them with antibacterial soap and water.
However, she was addressing my concerns about MRSA, which DM brought to my attention. I have rolled for over two months with no problems, as have many of us, and I clean my rollers with alcohol, which is a disinfectant rather than a sterilization solution. My 0.5mm roller makes my face react with redness and swelling, although with absolutely no bleeding, so I swipe my face with alcohol before rolling with it and clean the roller after each roll by letting it soak in alcohol for 5 minutes. I also let it air-dry before putting it back in its case. I think this is adequate, but I may start cleaning it with a 1/10 bleach/water solution. ~ JJ |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:59 pm |
| brierrose wrote: |
| I work in a long term care facility where there has been cases of MRSA and bleach was used for all cleaning because it's the only thing apparently that's effective for killing MRSA. But it is very corrosive. |
Brierrose, I just saw a documentary about MRSA and bleach was all they used to clean their home, laundry and personal items. Yes, it is highly corrosive, but I am hopeful that a 1/10 bleach/water mixture, which is the normal mix, would be adequate. Do you think that ratio would be adequate, or can you tell us what ratio is used where you work? Thanks ~ JJ |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:07 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
jj and all,
I want to tell you a true occurance that happened to my ex.
While at work helping unpack supplies he was bitten by a tiny spider, he just happened to see the little bugger, within 2 days he had a very sore red bump between his cuticle and top knuckle. The following day he called me from
work to say it (really his whole arm) felt like somebody had put their knee on it and beared down all force, I called our family doctor who had me call my ex and get his butt home immediately while our doc called the local orthopedic surgeon (telling me if he wasn't available he would call 4-5 others in the surrounding area). It turned out that tiny little spider and the minuscule fangs (we couldn't see any breaks in the skin and no blood was drawn) caused an infection between the lining of the muscle (think that tough membrane on a beef roast) and the muscle itself, a staff infection. He was rushed in to surgery for I&D and IV antibiotics, or he could have lost his hand or worse his entire arm! Now a statistic 1 in 3 people carry regular staff and the resistant strain is becoming more and more common! My ex had his nail removed below the cuticle along with a good of skin and was in the hospital for 24 hours on high dose antibiotics and home on a double dose of oral antibiotics for 3 weeks and he lucked out! I am
not trying to be an alarmist but even those tiny needles are at least as long as a very small spiders fangs and must break the skin enough that you need to respect how sanitary you need to keep things! jj you asked me at one point what I roll with well I don't I am allergic to 3 major families of broad spectrum antibiotics, penicillin and all man made of the same, all sulfa Bactrim nearly killed me and all cephalasporans, so even though I don't feel the need personally at this time almost 56 I for me wouldn't risk it, I hope you can see why. Any information I have posted is out of concern for those who already do and those who are considering starting to do so!
I hope that clears everything up about my interest in the subject.
Please be careful all!
DM |
DM, that is a horrible story about what happened to your ex! I have always believed that as people continue to take antibiotics, and as newer and stronger antibiotics are developed, there are many more antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria evolving. I completely understand that you don't want to take a chance on rolling. I believe that's everyone's decision for himself/herself. I myself am allergic to penicillin, so I know what you're saying. I think your post was a very good reminder to maintain extremely sanitary conditions if you are going to roll. I believe it's imperative, and we need to be very aware of this. We're all so careful about not putting our fingers into jars of creams, etc. so as not to contaminate and we need to remember that this is an invasive procedure that we are doing and proceed accordingly. ~ JJ |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:10 pm |
| foxe wrote: |
jj- my OOPS! on the type of machine a Derma Wand is. It is microfrequency, not microcurrent. Glad your sis is on top of things!
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| We use High Frequency on the skin to kill bacteria post extraction, NOT microcurrent!!! (Or, the BLUE LED will kill bacteria.) |
Do you know any place we can get one of the cleansers your sister mentioned? A cavacide or barbacide? (Need to look those up).
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| The disinfectant we use MUST be a virucide, bacteriacide, fungicide, & tubercularcide. |
Doesn't Tea Tree Oil fit in this category? Maybe a little TTOil in w/ the cleanser or alcohol would fit this bill. JMHO |
Foxe, that is a super idea about TTO. There are several oils and extracts that are antiviral and antibacterial. Grapefruit seed extract comes to mind.
As far as Barbicide, isn't that the blue stuff you see combs in at the hairdresser? I would think that any spa product company would sell Cavicide or Barbicide. ~ JJ |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:11 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
foxe,
Barbucide is avalible at any beauty supply store including Sally's it's that blue liquid (diluted) salons and barber shops are required to soak brushes and combs in between uses!
HTH
DM |
Ooops, missed this before posting. That's great that it's at Sally's! |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:12 pm |
If the rollers are cleaned with alcohol and then thoroughly dried, seems as though you'd be relatively safe. Most viruses, bacteria, and fungi can't survive very long without moisture...or so I have always understood. But who wants to take chances?
Looks as though Staples carries the various -cides; those seem like a better choice than bleach. I hate the stuff; no matter how careful I am, it always seems to ruin something. Anyone know if the cavicide/barbicide destroy fabrics? |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:13 pm |
| foxe wrote: |
Now that I've looked up a CaviCide and barbicide, I can see that those were excellent suggestions from your sister, jj.
Why has no one mentioned those before!?
While the barbicide is rather retro looking, I don't think I'd want one on my bathroom counter, so I may look into the CaviCide instead. Still would like to find a local place to get one. And - I'm thinking that the tea tree oil might fit in until I find some CaviCide. After all - TTO is a fungicide, antiseptic, anti-bacterial and anti viral
Thanks again jj. Your sister rocks! |
Isn't it wild that we just now found out about these? My sister is an excellent esthetician and does know her business. And I think she rocks too! I'll have to tell her this - she will laugh out loud.  ~ JJ |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:16 pm |
| Hermosa wrote: |
If the rollers are cleaned with alcohol and then thoroughly dried, seems as though you'd be relatively safe. Most viruses, bacteria, and fungi can't survive very long without moisture...or so I have always understood. But who wants to take chances?
Looks as though Staples carries the various -cides; those seem like a better choice than bleach. I hate the stuff; no matter how careful I am, it always seems to ruin something. Anyone know if the cavicide/barbicide destroy fabrics? |
Hermosa, I hate bleach too. Just the smell of it makes me ill. I'll be going to Sally's to get some barbicide as soon as our ice storm has passed.  And I don't know about what the 'cides do to fabric. ~ JJ |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:03 pm |
I only have experience with Barbicide as that's what was the "standard" for many years, it is completly safe on clothing, any fabric really!
The scary thing about what happened with the ex is that was a normal strain of Staff, not the med resistant strain!
HTH
DM
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| Hermosa wrote: |
If the rollers are cleaned with alcohol and then thoroughly dried, seems as though you'd be relatively safe. Most viruses, bacteria, and fungi can't survive very long without moisture...or so I have always understood. But who wants to take chances?
Looks as though Staples carries the various -cides; those seem like a better choice than bleach. I hate the stuff; no matter how careful I am, it always seems to ruin something. Anyone know if the cavicide/barbicide destroy fabrics? |
Hermosa, I hate bleach too. Just the smell of it makes me ill. I'll be going to Sally's to get some barbicide as soon as our ice storm has passed. And I don't know about what the 'cides do to fabric. ~ JJ |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:05 pm |
| I'm going to switch to the barbecide too. It's not worth the risk. We have to have something thats antifungal, antiviral, antiseptic and antibacterial. Good grief! I'm glad someone knew we needed to kill all of that and could name a product to do the job. I would have never figured that out. JJ, please tell your sis we all said thanks. |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:21 pm |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
| brierrose wrote: |
| I work in a long term care facility where there has been cases of MRSA and bleach was used for all cleaning because it's the only thing apparently that's effective for killing MRSA. But it is very corrosive. |
Brierrose, I just saw a documentary about MRSA and bleach was all they used to clean their home, laundry and personal items. Yes, it is highly corrosive, but I am hopeful that a 1/10 bleach/water mixture, which is the normal mix, would be adequate. Do you think that ratio would be adequate, or can you tell us what ratio is used where you work? Thanks ~ JJ |
JJ, I don't know what ratio the cleaning staff used in their solution but I can certainly try to find out.
Even though bleach is used for cleaning of rooms etc. there's probably other methods of sterilizing smaller items that would be adequate. I'm certainly no authority in any of this but was just sharing the little bit I knew. With puncturing the skin & the possibility of staph infections & superbugs that are around now I think it is wise to take every precaution to protect yourselves.
I hope I don't sound preachy I for one would love to try the dermaroller but because of where I work I don't want to take the risk. |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:32 pm |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
| I am hopeful that a 1/10 bleach/water mixture, which is the normal mix, would be adequate. |
JJ, do you think bleach would be fine to use on the needles? I would think it might corrode them? |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:36 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
| I am hopeful that a 1/10 bleach/water mixture, which is the normal mix, would be adequate. |
JJ, do you think bleach would be fine to use on the needles? I would think it might corrode them? |
Riley,
Alien posted just that on the CP thread, it's highly corrosive and would rust the needles, another thing you don't want to puncture your skin with!
DM |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:50 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
| I am hopeful that a 1/10 bleach/water mixture, which is the normal mix, would be adequate. |
JJ, do you think bleach would be fine to use on the needles? I would think it might corrode them? |
Riley,
Alien posted just that on the CP thread, it's highly corrosive and would rust the needles, another thing you don't want to puncture your skin with!
DM |
Oops, sorry. I am only following this thread, so did not know this concern had been voiced!  |
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Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:56 pm |
Riley,
I think it's actually a great thing you mentioned that concern here, this is the thread it should be on after all!
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| DarkMoon wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| jjbeacham wrote: |
| I am hopeful that a 1/10 bleach/water mixture, which is the normal mix, would be adequate. |
JJ, do you think bleach would be fine to use on the needles? I would think it might corrode them? |
Riley,
Alien posted just that on the CP thread, it's highly corrosive and would rust the needles, another thing you don't want to puncture your skin with!
DM |
Oops, sorry. I am only following this thread, so did not know this concern had been voiced! |
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