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Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:48 pm  |
Critic,
one of the reason for my enthusiasm for Tanaka massage was the hope to get rid of under eye bags, since nothing else had helped (Tuck did nothing as well).
So far even though I do it twice daily I see no difference (or very little if any) in that area. It makes my face fresh and nice immediately after. I think it helps somewhat with NLs, but so far not with the eye bags or double chin/neck area.
If there are any recommendations I would be very grateful.
TIA |
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Early 50s, Skin: combin.,semi-sensitive, fair with occasional breakouts, some old acne scars, freckles, under-eye wrinkles; Redhead with hazel eyes |
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Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:22 pm |
Let's repeat all the steps again:
Warm-up exercise to prompt the flow of lymph
STEP1 Improve the swelling of the forehead and the wrinkles between the eyebrows
STEP2 Remove the swelling around the eyes and improve the puffy eyes
STEP3 Pushing up the downside mouth corners
STEP4 Remove the blots on the nostrils and make the bridge of your nose higher
STEP5 Remove the deep nasolabial grooves and left up the entire cheeks
STEP6 Remove the nasolabial groove in a focused way
STEP7 Remove the fat beside the nasal wings not to make the nasolabial grooves appear
STEP8-1 Dissolve the sags in the areas between the cheekbones and the chin
STEP8-2 Remove the “bulldog line”
STEP9 Remove a double chin and tighten a vague face line
STEP10 Pull up the whole facial sag
STEP11 Erase the transverse wrinkling on the forehead
RE : EYE and UNDER EYE AREA
Please focus and do more repetitions on Step 2, Step 7 and Step 8. When doing Step 7 and 8, please make sure you apply enough strength and push all the flesh to the ear bone area. Well, I hope you understand what I am saying! |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:37 am |
| Mars wrote: |
Hi, Guys, I just read on another website that we shouldn't do lymphatic massage daily because it will lenghten the muscles and cause sagging.  |
This line of thought is probably from those who don't believe in handling the skin on the face.
Two things against this argument:
1] I found the massage side of Ageless invaluable in terms of teaching me that it's good to handle the face. It's stimulating, my muscles enjoy the massage and my face won't fall down into a drooping disaster!
2] Yoga lengthens muscles. I've never met a yoga teacher or follower with a sagging body. Those who do nothing are more likely to have soft, sagging bodies (a generalisation but you can understand the point). |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:41 am |
| critic wrote: |
STEP4 Remove the blots on the nostrils and make the bridge of your nose higher
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Here we can see the cultural difference - I definitely don't want a higher bridge!! Will go easy on that part!
Many thanks Critic for the run-down. You're a star! |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:16 am |
| Mars wrote: |
| Hi, Guys, I just read on another website that we shouldn't do lymphatic massage daily because it will lenghten the muscles and cause sagging. |
well I think that is something what we must discussed. Will you please give us a link to that source. TIA
In contrary I found something else 
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According to Dr. Robert O. Young, a research scientist at the pH Miracle Living Center, "massage, especially lymphatic massage helps to move and remove dietary and metabolic acids out of the bone and muscle tissue and interstitial fluids of the body. This helps to protect healthy tissue from the devastating effects of acid breakdown. That is why I highly recommend a daily one hour lymphatic massage, especially after exercise or if one is dealing with a health challenge."
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http://www.our-healing-hub.com/lymphatic-massage-for-incredible-health-and-fitness.html
It is really tempting for research because we really have to be sure about this.
In fact I have another one question - this massage we are applying to us it is just a partially massage (only face) - well we know that lymphatic lines are going through whole body - can the rest of the body have a problem with that? I |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:31 am |
| There's lymph massage for the body. I think the lymph carries toxins or somethings and we have to remove them. Sometimes they call it detoxing. It's best not to do lymph massage when you're ill, pregnant or having your period. |
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23yr old Asian with combination skin prone to clogged pores. hyperpigmentation from pimples. uneven skintone, scars |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:09 am |
| *mirjana* wrote: |
| Mars wrote: |
| Hi, Guys, I just read on another website that we shouldn't do lymphatic massage daily because it will lenghten the muscles and cause sagging. |
well I think that is something what we must discussed. Will you please give us a link to that source. TIA
In contrary I found something else
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According to Dr. Robert O. Young, a research scientist at the pH Miracle Living Center, "massage, especially lymphatic massage helps to move and remove dietary and metabolic acids out of the bone and muscle tissue and interstitial fluids of the body. This helps to protect healthy tissue from the devastating effects of acid breakdown. That is why I highly recommend a daily one hour lymphatic massage, especially after exercise or if one is dealing with a health challenge."
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http://www.our-healing-hub.com/lymphatic-massage-for-incredible-health-and-fitness.html
It is really tempting for research because we really have to be sure about this.
In fact I have another one question - this massage we are applying to us it is just a partially massage (only face) - well we know that lymphatic lines are going through whole body - can the rest of the body have a problem with that? I |
I have Dr Young's book - The pH Miracle: Balance Your Diet, Reclaim Your Health, let me check to confirm, thanks! |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:57 am |
Critic - I posted this before, but wasn't sure if you saw it, interested in your views about its effectiveness.
| TheresaMary wrote: |
| Critic knowing your knowledge of TCM, what do you think of accupressure etc. Are these gimicks that don't work or are there validity to them. I've just seen a thread entitled TIAN YONG REJUVENATION SYSTEM and the woman who is on that site is supposed to be in her 50's but she could be your older sister! |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:24 am |
| *mirjana* wrote: |
| Mars wrote: |
| Hi, Guys, I just read on another website that we shouldn't do lymphatic massage daily because it will lenghten the muscles and cause sagging. |
well I think that is something what we must discussed. Will you please give us a link to that source. TIA
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I would like the link to this, as well. And, I agree with mirjana, I think it is something that needs to be discussed (perhaps in a different thread if we can get the link). |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:03 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| *mirjana* wrote: |
| Mars wrote: |
| Hi, Guys, I just read on another website that we shouldn't do lymphatic massage daily because it will lenghten the muscles and cause sagging. |
well I think that is something what we must discussed. Will you please give us a link to that source. TIA
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I would like the link to this, as well. And, I agree with mirjana, I think it is something that needs to be discussed (perhaps in a different thread if we can get the link). |
I was reading the free e-book on the site SeanySeanUK posted about the TIAN YONG REJUVENATION SYSTEM. The e-book is entitled "The Wisdom of Tian Yong." One of the things she says is "when massaging the skin, a creme or lotion that is slippery is essential, otherwise, the massage will stretch the skin and cause it to sag." |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:04 am |
I have been doing the massage for a month but having just done my first massage using the translated instructions, the feel and look of my face is completely different. I can now understand why other people are getting such strong results. If you're not, then download the above link, it is certainly worth $13.
Also has anyone else noticed how the change in Tanaka's model's face is very similar to how Critic's face has improved? It's subtle but unmissable. (Scroll down 3/4 of page.)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://gouwu.wangchao.net.cn/detail_626417.html |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:11 am |
Hi Miranda,
is this a translation of the whole book or something ?
thanks
Jackie xx |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:04 am |
Good morning Ladies - I have read this thread from start to finish and thank you critic for introducing all of us to this.
I have bookmarked the Russian translation of the massage and have watched the video but have a feeling I will be bringing the laptop into the bathroom  (the DH will love that)
I have 3 questions for all of you who have started this.
1. how long does the whole massage take?
2. being of European decent am I supposed to do the eye massage in the opposite direction as shown?
3. those of you who have purchased the english translation of the video was it worth it?
Thanks for you help |
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mid 40's, blonde, blue eyes, normal skin, DIY skin regime, AALS - biggest problem undereye - getting much better with AALS & DIY serums. |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:29 am |
| Alley wrote: |
I have 3 questions for all of you who have started this.
1. how long does the whole massage take?
2. being of European decent am I supposed to do the eye massage in the opposite direction as shown?
3. those of you who have purchased the english translation of the video was it worth it?
Thanks for you help |
No need for laptop in bathroom ( I just wrote some notes )
1. massage will take you just a few minutes, depends of repeating steps (once you learned it)
2. I don't think so
3. Oh yes (read what Miranda said few posts above) |
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trying to stay young and to learn English a little bit better so if it make you laugh - don't LOL |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:44 am |
| *mirjana* wrote: |
| Alley wrote: |
I have 3 questions for all of you who have started this.
1. how long does the whole massage take?
2. being of European decent am I supposed to do the eye massage in the opposite direction as shown?
3. those of you who have purchased the english translation of the video was it worth it?
Thanks for you help |
3. Oh yes (read what Miranda said few posts above) |
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DAH - 
Thanks for the response I will down load the english translation this afternoon. |
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mid 40's, blonde, blue eyes, normal skin, DIY skin regime, AALS - biggest problem undereye - getting much better with AALS & DIY serums. |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:02 am |
http://store.annabellina.com/massagemyth.html
Hi, Everybody, Here's the link to the website where I read about "older" skin and massage.
Look under the paragraph that begins with "Tension". BTW, I think this website, "Anna Bellina", has a lot of useful info. |
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65 Caucasion, history of acne, sagging, some wrinkling, rough texture. Using Dermawand, AALS, Microderm Machine,Copper Peptides |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:33 am |
| Jackie284 wrote: |
Hi Miranda,
is this a translation of the whole book or something ?
thanks
Jackie xx |
Jackie,
It's a translated transcript of her DVD which I believe is the same as this video
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/udVpsMWKljc/
It's great to have the combination of the two. |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:11 pm |
thanks Miranda,
Jackie xx |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:08 pm |
| Mars wrote: |
http://store.annabellina.com/massagemyth.html
Hi, Everybody, Here's the link to the website where I read about "older" skin and massage.
Look under the paragraph that begins with "Tension". BTW, I think this website, "Anna Bellina", has a lot of useful info. |
Thanks for the link, Mars. |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:40 pm |
| Mars wrote: |
http://store.annabellina.com/massagemyth.html
Hi, Everybody, Here's the link to the website where I read about "older" skin and massage.
Look under the paragraph that begins with "Tension". BTW, I think this website, "Anna Bellina", has a lot of useful info. |
Well, those site does not allow to copy and paste this paragraph, but as I understood problem is in fragility of facial older muscles and tissues.
This paragraph is too short to understand the real point - how old those muscles and tissues have to be and how intensive or "deep" massage (as said in paragraph) and how frequently is have to be to make damages.
Somehow, that sounds logical, but on the other hand - point is that massage is recommended (short one - few minutes as we do) for younger look. And of course benefits are cumulative - as of any other care.
So as I said, it is material for discussion and researching |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:06 pm |
| Mars wrote: |
http://store.annabellina.com/massagemyth.html
Hi, Everybody, Here's the link to the website where I read about "older" skin and massage.
Look under the paragraph that begins with "Tension". BTW, I think this website, "Anna Bellina", has a lot of useful info. |
I think she may just be warning against massaging too aggressively. She says in the paragraph under "A 4-minute Massage Routine" to do it everyday. |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:20 pm |
there are many more massage techniques on you tube. i'm sure the members here can add a few more new moves to their routine.
i like this one. you can see the results just after one massage (on the left side of her face).
face massage magic. and it free!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwM5v8PPjt0&feature=related |
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to, cnd, 39, asian, dry&sensitive. products: valmont, givenchy, chanel, guerlain, dior, misc sothys&lush; mu: valmont, dior, chanel & mac; anti aging: diy facial massages, dr.ho's, assrt of EMS/TENS, wellbox, nuface, nuskin, tua viso, tua trend, babyQ, facemaster, oxylift, dermawand, life, suction, 8clarisonic, 2opal, magnassager, sonic,etc |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:42 pm |
| llina wrote: |
there are many more massage techniques on you tube. i'm sure the members here can add a few more new moves to their routine.
i like this one. you can see the results just after one massage (on the left side of her face).
face massage magic. and it free!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwM5v8PPjt0&feature=related |
That's a definite favorite one with a lot of people on EDS. I love that one myself! |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:54 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| llina wrote: |
there are many more massage techniques on you tube. i'm sure the members here can add a few more new moves to their routine.
i like this one. you can see the results just after one massage (on the left side of her face).
face massage magic. and it free!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwM5v8PPjt0&feature=related |
That's a definite favorite one with a lot of people on EDS. I love that one myself! |
sorry am i being redundant?
just a thought as i was watching lymphatic massages/asian massage/tanaka massage on you tube, and i believe someone on this thread mentioned the scrapping massage with jade, it ocurred to me that alot of motions were similar. and it is very similar to the NuSkin galvanic spa machine that i own. i have the nu skin dvd... the motions and holding in certain postions. the object is similar and the motions of massage are similar too, in general.  however, with the galvanic spa there is a galvanic current running through this machine (battery operated). i'm sure i can do the lymphatic drain massage with my hands/palms, and with the bones of my hands/palms, as well using the NuSkin machine/jade scrapper/jade roller. its just a thought if anyone is interested.
 m....now i'm really tempted to buy another galvanic spa machine, one for each hand, and do my whole face in synchrony at the same time.
scrapper massage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEsZYBAkkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_psDN5h53YM
galvanic spa:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRFK7zVAJLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju5RiolCVYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAzS91MQ2eI |
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to, cnd, 39, asian, dry&sensitive. products: valmont, givenchy, chanel, guerlain, dior, misc sothys&lush; mu: valmont, dior, chanel & mac; anti aging: diy facial massages, dr.ho's, assrt of EMS/TENS, wellbox, nuface, nuskin, tua viso, tua trend, babyQ, facemaster, oxylift, dermawand, life, suction, 8clarisonic, 2opal, magnassager, sonic,etc |
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Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:30 pm |
| llina wrote: |
sorry am i being redundant?
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Not redundant at all. It is a good reminder!
Hope the off topic police don't get me, but how are you liking the Nu Skin machine? |
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