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Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:30 pm  |
| Well... Sorry about those tea stains, but it is reassuring to know I'm not alone. Some days I think my skin looks worse than ever. It's scarey to see the damage done years ago brought to the surface. Have never used Retin A but am using serum and moisturizer with hyaluronic acid which came top in a survey of cell renewal/anti ageing creams. Apparently ok to use with Reaura too. |
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Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:20 pm |
| Bluegentian wrote: |
| Well... Sorry about those tea stains, but it is reassuring to know I'm not alone. Some days I think my skin looks worse than ever. It's scarey to see the damage done years ago brought to the surface. Have never used Retin A but am using serum and moisturizer with hyaluronic acid which came top in a survey of cell renewal/anti ageing creams. Apparently ok to use with Reaura too. |
I agree with the bolded line above...I haven't started a 2nd set of ReAura treatments (and my 1st set was only 4 weeks) because my forearms ended up looking worse than when I started. I am a bit scared to keep going! |
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Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:45 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| Bluegentian wrote: |
| Well... Sorry about those tea stains, but it is reassuring to know I'm not alone. Some days I think my skin looks worse than ever. It's scarey to see the damage done years ago brought to the surface. Have never used Retin A but am using serum and moisturizer with hyaluronic acid which came top in a survey of cell renewal/anti ageing creams. Apparently ok to use with Reaura too. |
I agree with the bolded line above...I haven't started a 2nd set of ReAura treatments (and my 1st set was only 4 weeks) because my forearms ended up looking worse than when I started. I am a bit scared to keep going! |
When you say your skin looks worse, what is it that makes you think that? Is is more pigmentation showing up? Or the dry flakiness?
I finished one 16 session ReAura treatment, waited 8 weeks and am now on the 2nd round. I find my skin gets dry from it (although the this round doesn't seem as bad). But that dry, dehydrated look isn't very appealing! It's usually at it's worst about 2 days after each treatment. Gentle exfoliation (just started using the Cure) does help as does extra moisturizer. |
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Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:32 pm |
| catski wrote: |
Thanks for the encouragement, Keliu. I am not using retin-a. I never have done, actually. I thought we wre not to use acids with the reaura?
I had thought that I NEED to be using some retin - a on this area, it seriously is the problem area for me.
Should I just get some at a low % and start?! |
I'm sure Philips would not recommend the use of Retin-A along with the ReAura just to cover themselves. I do know that doctors recommend the use of it for as long as possible before a clinical treatment and then to resume about a week afterwards.
Our case is a little different because we're constantly treating - so I would definitely advise caution if you're going to use Retin-A as well. But, as I've stated before, I'm a bit gung ho - but I haven't had any problems. I don't apply the Retin-A as often when I'm doing a series of treatments, maybe only once a week. |
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Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:53 pm |
| ShastaGirl wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
| Bluegentian wrote: |
| Well... Sorry about those tea stains, but it is reassuring to know I'm not alone. Some days I think my skin looks worse than ever. It's scarey to see the damage done years ago brought to the surface. Have never used Retin A but am using serum and moisturizer with hyaluronic acid which came top in a survey of cell renewal/anti ageing creams. Apparently ok to use with Reaura too. |
I agree with the bolded line above...I haven't started a 2nd set of ReAura treatments (and my 1st set was only 4 weeks) because my forearms ended up looking worse than when I started. I am a bit scared to keep going! |
When you say your skin looks worse, what is it that makes you think that? Is is more pigmentation showing up? Or the dry flakiness?
I finished one 16 session ReAura treatment, waited 8 weeks and am now on the 2nd round. I find my skin gets dry from it (although the this round doesn't seem as bad). But that dry, dehydrated look isn't very appealing! It's usually at it's worst about 2 days after each treatment. Gentle exfoliation (just started using the Cure) does help as does extra moisturizer. |
Shasta, both more pigmentation and the dehydration.  When I start back up I will definitely be using a barrier repair product on my arms. The ReAura face cream helped a lot on my face, but I didn't use it on my forearms and they still haven't recovered months later.  |
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Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:59 pm |
Do you use the ReAura cream every day or just after the treatments? I've only been using it after the treatment. And then I use something else until the next treatment.
And then there is the theory of not using the Reaura cream and prolonging the inflammation stage which may generate more collagen. I couldn't go this route. My face demanded a nice moisturizer right after the treatment. |
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Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:33 pm |
I have the tria and yes I know its not the reaura, but I have just finished an 8 week set of treatments. And yes, my skin has never looked worse!!! It has been very dry,flaky and suddenly I am looking freckled!! Now I have olive asian skin and never been a sun lover,and now I have some pigmentation not nice.
My series of treatments I finished on Friday thank goodness.
My skin is looking almost immediately better (no sense) and not flaky, less dry and almost relieved.
I do think both of these treatments are serious things and need to be treated with respect I also think that maybe I have some sun damage, although not a sun lover also I havnt been scrupulous with the SS.
Add to that I have been a bit Keliu ish in that I think my skin has toughened over the last few years ( thanks EDS) and so I have used retinol and CPS after treatment also some anti age I had.
So quite a cocktail!!
If my skin continues to get better as it has from stopping the course of treatments I will certainly think that the mess was worth going through!! |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:29 am |
| bethany wrote: |
| Bluegentian wrote: |
| Well... Sorry about those tea stains, but it is reassuring to know I'm not alone. Some days I think my skin looks worse than ever. It's scarey to see the damage done years ago brought to the surface. Have never used Retin A but am using serum and moisturizer with hyaluronic acid which came top in a survey of cell renewal/anti ageing creams. Apparently ok to use with Reaura too. |
I agree with the bolded line above...I haven't started a 2nd set of ReAura treatments (and my 1st set was only 4 weeks) because my forearms ended up looking worse than when I started. I am a bit scared to keep going! |
Being very impatient, I decided to do face, neck, chest, forearms and hands all in the first session. A bit much time wise but interesting comparing results. My face funnily enough seems to respond better than other areas. It's dry for a couple of days, I use a gentle exfoliant every morning and after 3/4 days feels amazingly soft. But some pigment marks came to the surface which I think are very obvious and haven't faded yet. My neck looks like an angry red half throttled turkey for a few days and my hands and arms very red. More pigmentof again and some marks that I saw before seem more intense. I think the skin there has thickened up a bit though. My hands are very dry and look more than usually wrinkly as well as red. Finer/lighter freckles have cleared up though. I think like someone said, this treatment is a long term haul and hopefully 6/12months down the line we'll see a bug improvement. I'm nearly 60. I can't expect to see my 18 year old skin back again! |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:41 am |
| Shasta. I have been using the Reaura cream on my hands and forearms, but the skin remains much redder there than anywhere else, especially hands. In fact my hands usually look quite swollen the day following a treatment. Weird and a bit scary to start with. But maybe the skin there is thinner? I think it will be OK. I've looked very hard at the marks on my hands and I don't really think they are getting worse. It's just that the treatment highlights a much larger area of skin damage that was there but wasn't obvious before treatment. Hopefully this will slowly clear. There is also the chance that any pre cancerous cells will disappear too, though I haven't seen anyone mention that here. I'm sure I read something like that when I googled laser treatments once. |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:46 am |
Thanks keliu. I am not very gung ho with my skin! I do think I need retinol for my chest but not sure..might start it if and when the area actually gets clear. My ambition is to clear ALL the pigmentation there. At the moment I have a lot of shiny tiny spots..they seem to shine as if varnished, before going away. Incredible just how much damage surfaces.I have the fantasy of complete rejuvenation..I think the reaura could do it, over time. I do think that I am clearing away what could at some point become more serious damage ie cancerous.
So yeah, thankyou all for chiming in with tales of the uglies along the way. Its part of the process. It takes a while for redness to fade for me, too, it doesnt really normalise untill the rest period.
I think light stim in the rest period is very soothing.
I'm still using Nia24 scrub and moisturiser for decolletage, although I have zero evidence that it has any impact! I've been using it for quite a few years!  |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:52 am |
What is light stim? I'm new to this game ... only ever done cleanse, tone, moisturise and a quick slap of sunscreen if temps are in the 30s  |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:26 am |
I attended a lecture last week, where some derms gave their best anti-aging advice.
They agreed that for pigmentation issues, lasers are best.
They agreed that for scars and possibly stretch marks, needling is best.
They agreed that for overall anti-aging, sunscreen is best....but wrinkles and some laxity can be improved - with "realistic expectations" (whatever that means)...by a combination of needling, antioxidants, managing inflammation to keep it low, vitamin topicals and peels....and again, lasers but for pigmentation primarily, observed through VISIA analysis.
I assume some here would have differing opinions, but I wonder if any of you have a link to anyone who has used a home laser device and then had VISIA analysis performed after a series of treatments?
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:02 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
I attended a lecture last week, where some derms gave their best anti-aging advice.
They agreed that for pigmentation issues, lasers are best.
They agreed that for scars and possibly stretch marks, needling is best.
They agreed that for overall anti-aging, sunscreen is best....but wrinkles and some laxity can be improved - with "realistic expectations" (whatever that means)...by a combination of needling, antioxidants, managing inflammation to keep it low, vitamin topicals and peels....and again, lasers but for pigmentation primarily, observed through VISIA analysis...
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Can you expand a little on the "managing inflamation to keep it low" part? Does this have to do with the time between treatments i.e., to completely restore the skin, or is it something else. |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:14 am |
It means not triggering chronic inflammation by continuously compromising your skin through - anything that causes it to become inflamed - peels, needles, lasers, AHAs, scrubs, retin a = anything like that.
It means to cycle treatments and to use serums known to decrease inflammation - lots of info here and online about it...
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:42 am |
| That's really useful. Didn't even know there were specific serums for inflammation ... My hands swell up after Reaura so that is probably not good. |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:35 am |
| Barefootgirl wrote: |
It means not triggering chronic inflammation by continuously compromising your skin through - anything that causes it to become inflamed - peels, needles, lasers, AHAs, scrubs, retin a = anything like that.
It means to cycle treatments and to use serums known to decrease inflammation - lots of info here and online about it...
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Thanks. Just found the info in the EDS Lounge forum. |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:46 am |
| Lightstim is an anti aging led device. Do a search on it here and you'll find plenty of info to mull over! |
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Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:00 pm |
Thnx Catski..  |
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Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:14 am |
| Hi guys. I've just been doing a search on retinol creams. I saw that some of you were concerned about increased sun sensitivity when using with Reaura. I found a site which pretty much rubbishes the idea that retinol makes your skin more sensitive to sun. I tried to paste the link but new members can't do that. However, if you do a search for Oprah, retinol creams, you should find it fairly easily. It makes useful reading. |
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Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:24 am |
| I've been looking at the Clarisonic for ages and wanting to try it for my easily clogged T zone. But since I've been using Reaura this has much improved. Still.. it could be better. Just wondering if anyone has tried these two gadgets together, and if so is it worth having both? |
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Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:51 am |
I have an article written by Dr. Kligman (the main proponent of Retin-A for anti-aging). In it he states that after the skin has acclimatized to the use of Retin-A it is no more sensitive to the sun than normal. I happen to agree with him.
I have a Clarisonic and the ReAura - I also suffer from Sebaceous Hyperplasia (blocked oil glands which causes bumps). For me, the winner is the ReAura for dealing with the congestion. But I have never been a huge fan of the Clarisonic - I think it's totally underwhelming. You can achieve the same type of cleansing by just using a facial brush to manually scrub your skin. |
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Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:00 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
I have an article written by Dr. Kligman (the main proponent of Retin-A for anti-aging). In it he states that after the skin has acclimatized to the use of Retin-A it is no more sensitive to the sun than normal. I happen to agree with him.
I have a Clarisonic and the ReAura - I also suffer from Sebaceous Hyperplasia (blocked oil glands which causes bumps). For me, the winner is the ReAura for dealing with the congestion. But I have never been a huge fan of the Clarisonic - I think it's totally underwhelming. You can achieve the same type of cleansing by just using a facial brush to manually scrub your skin. |
Kligman article: Yes, that seems to be the conclusion of the article I read too. It specifically said it shouldn't make your skin any more sun sensitive than buffing or exfoliating. So long as you use a sunscreen.
Thanks for that re Clarisonic. I'm getting a bit paranoid about the amount of money I've spent on my skin this last few months. It seems very self indulgent... and expensive! It's time to draw a line! |
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Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:22 am |
I know what you mean about the money spending.. otoh, gadgets, I think, have much better effect than products. SO I spend less on product these days.
I wanted to say that I find the clarisonic useful for dealing with dry skin while using the reaura. Its exfoliant.
It does mean you dont need as much exfoliant product, if any, while using the clarisonic. It also keeps my pores even more refined.. agree Reaura does a terrific job on pore minimising. |
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Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:17 am |
| catski wrote: |
I know what you mean about the money spending.. otoh, gadgets, I think, have much better effect than products. SO I spend less on product these days.
I wanted to say that I find the clarisonic useful for dealing with dry skin while using the reaura. Its exfoliant.
It does mean you dont need as much exfoliant product, if any, while using the clarisonic. It also keeps my pores even more refined.. agree Reaura does a terrific job on pore minimising. |
H .. I'm tempted... Even with the Reaura I've still got some blocked pores on my chin. Though I'm impressed at the improvement. It's an ageing thing I think because our pores get bigger and there is reduced cell turnover. I've just started replacing my mish mash of skin care products with others that have a barrage of anti ageing stuff.. Retinol, AHAs/DHAs, DMAEs, multivits.... Anything that reinforces what the Reaura is designed to do. I think you're right, gadgets do make a bigger difference, but I'm trying not to get drawn in to buying several. I like the sound of the baby quasar, but think maybe there is a law of diminishing returns if we're using more than one/two gadgets for similar purposes. |
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Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:44 am |
Yes, clarisonic is probably not a 'must have' unless you suffer from spots. I wouldnt like to be without mine, though.
Baby q is same as lightstim but with a smaller treatment head. I like mine, but I know some people decided it didnt give enough return for the time investment, for them.
Tis all very "user results may vary.." |
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