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Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:39 pm  |
| Hi there - related to my last post, what do people think is the best moisturizer/sunscreen product? |
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lpraught
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Joined: 21 Jan 2004
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Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:36 pm |
| Hi There, I just came apon this site somehow as I've been searching products for my spa. You guys are quite interesting and I enjoy hearing reviews from clients. I've been an aesthetician for four years and have worked with lots of products. My favorite being Dermologica and Yonka. As for your question about moisturizers containing sunscreen..... When a sunscreen is added to a product, they must take from the good ingredients, that is why you often see a moisturizer without SPF. Dermologica for example doesn't have moisturizers with sunscreens for that very reason ---- Instead they have a SPF booster to add to your moisturizer so you don't have to take from all the good ingrediants. I highly reccomend it. |
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Mabsy
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Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:59 pm |
Actually, Dermalogica has also jumped on the SPF moisturiser bandwagon. They have Sheer Moisture SPF15 and Sheer Tint Moisture SPF15.
Unfortunately EDS doesn't seem to carry this yet (at least not on their website; I forgot to ask them about it when I placed my last order). I couldn't hold off anymore and bought the Sheer Tint SPF15 yesterday. I'm wearing it for the first time today (with the hydrating booster) and so far I really like it. |
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Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:35 pm |
Thanks, guys.
Re: sunscreen
I bought Phytoderm 100+ this summer after reading a Vogue article that quoted US dermatologists who said that American made sunscreen is ineffective. This product is made in France ( I think?) and it does leave a white mask on the face, but it has the magic ingredients that supposedly "really" protect skin from the sun. I got it on a NYC spa website, which was inundated after the Vogue article...it is not supposed to be sold in the US but somehow they were getting away from it. Has anyone else heard this craziness about USA sunscreen not "really" working? |
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Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:10 pm |
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| Originally posted by zazu Has anyone else heard this craziness about USA sunscreen not "really" working? |
Zazu,
I think it varies from product to product. I know from experience that some U.S. sunscreens are bad, some are okay, and at least one is incredible.
This question came up in a thread about a month ago. Here's a copy of what I posted:
"The absolute best sunscreen out there is U.S. made "Coppertone Sport 30" lotion. This product has proven itself in my circle of friends. We all vacation on the Colorado River in Arizona. We go out on the river early in the morning, set up our chairs on a sandbar, and don't come in until late afternoon. (Much of this time is spent submerged up to our chins in the river to escape the desert heat.) Everyone applies the Coppertone Sport 30 first thing in the morning. No one reapplies unless they find an area turning red and realize they missed a spot.  At the end of the day, you can always spot the person who didn't use this brand. :oUCH!"
I know this kind of sunscreen isn't what you're looking for. (Unless you like going around smelling like you've just come from the beach!)
I just offered this info in response to whether or not U.S. sunscreens work. |
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Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:58 am |
Hi Aloha Girl! Thanks so much for your post! I don't care WHAT I smell like as long as I don't get any sunburn whatsoever. I live in the mountains in Colorado, above 8,000 feet. I am so freaking close to the sun, and it is just as bad in the winter because the sun reflects off the snow so it doesn't matter if you're wearing a hat. I have really fair sking, and I wear the strongest sunblock I can find and I SWEAR that I can be outside for 20 minutes and still have a slight pink on my face. And it's not pink from the cold or wind, it doesn't fade right away. It even got to the point that I purchased this wierd Michael Jackson type of face mask from Solumbra (makes SPF clothing) that I wear in the car. But if I forget it then I get a slight burn! It is SO frustrating. I am totally going to try the Coppertone asap. Thanks for the recommendation!
Zoe |
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Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:42 pm |
Zazu,
For extra protection on your face, have you considered mineral makeup? Not only does it give you a great looking complexion, but it's a complete sunblock. Jane Iredale's version contains Zinc and Titanium Dioxide. Unlike chemical sunscreens, these are natural minerals that form a physical barrier that the sun can't penetrate.
The Coppertone Sport 30 is great for protecting your body at the beach, but I wouldn't consider it a high quality facial product. DDF and several other good companies offer a "physical" or "organic" sunscreen with Zinc and Titanium, specifically for use on the face. Unlike older versions, these dry clear, not white, so you don't go around looking like a lifeguard.
--Alohagirl:P |
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Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:18 pm |
Hello Alohagirl my sunscreen guru! You know, I haven't tried mineral-based makeup, but will check out the Jane Iredale line right away.
I happened to run to an errand after my last email and slathered on a 30 sunscreen (over a 15 makeup and a high level sunscreen that I applied this morning) and I came home and peeked in the mirror and was pink, especially when I did the old press-your-finger-against-your-skin-and-see-if-it-turns-pale trick.
And my skin was tingling a little in that slight sunburn sort of way. I know I sound like a maniac but I am convinced that no matter what I use, my skin is so sensitive and the sun so intense up here that I will get "color" unless I literally block my face with a mask or something. Don't worry - I'm not really a freak! Just frustrated. |
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Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:08 pm |
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Originally posted by zazu
Hello Alohagirl my sunscreen guru...I slathered on a 30 sunscreen (over a 15 makeup and a high level sunscreen that I applied this morning. |
"Sunscreen guru"-- tee hee, I like that. Actually, the reason I know so much about sunscreen is because I've lived most of my life in Hawaii. In fact, the name of my home town translates to "Land of the Merciless Sun." And also, after joining this forum, I learned that the premature wrinkling around my eyes was likely caused by sun exposure. So I recently devoted countless hours to researching the latest developments in sun protection.
Another thought: If you're currently using AHA, glycolic, fruit acids, microdermabrasion or Vitamin C products, they could be increasing your sun sensitivity. Several prescription drugs including many antibiotics will also cause you to burn easily.
--Alohagirl:P |
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Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:40 pm |
Zazu--
I have extremely pale skin and burn just looking at the sun through a window!
I, too, have used Coppertone sport and loved it. I agree that I wouldn't use it for face, however.
I also own Photoderm Max 100+ and havn't had a problem with it. I think it is a good daily sunscreen and make sure I wear this on sunny days. On top of it, I use Jane Iredale loose mineral foundation poweder. I find the two work quite well for me.
Prior to this sunscreen, I have used Ocean Potion face and found it to work well for me. When in Mexico a few years ago, I used Sage SPF 25 and did not burn at all ---- which is amazing due to my paler than pale face!
Dagny |
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Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:58 pm |
Thanks for the excellent feedback. I had no idea that layering spf makeup over sunscreen reduced their effectiveness!
Am I understanding, though, that if I wear a sunblock (zinc, titanium) then I can, in fact, safely layer make-up over that? The Phytoderm 100+ is, in fact, sunblock, yes? I am going to check out the Jane Iredale products right now.
I've basically have to turn into a total skin maniac since I moved to Colorado. I want to use the Skinceuticals Vit-C products, and so I want to use the Skinceuticals night renewal cream (which has AHAs), but by using these products I'm making my face WAY more vulnerable to the sun! So as a result, I have to be super maniacal about protecting my face - which of course means using lots of sunscreen, but in reality means avoiding the sun as much as possible, which is tough when you live in the mountains and it is so much fun to be outside! What's a girl to do? Ahhh.. the sacrifices we must make on our quest for perfect skin.... Thanks for the EXCELLENT insight, guys. |
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Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:44 pm |
UPDATE 2/16/04
Regarding the issue of whether makeup applied over sunscreen reduces it's effectiveness, this might not be true. All the online evidence supporting this has disappeared. (I have no idea why.)
--Alohagirl:P |
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