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Mon May 29, 2006 12:45 pm  |
| Has anyone seen an organic source of this oil before anywhere? Nothing comes up in any of my searches and quests for an organic supply of this oil. Thanks. |
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Mon May 29, 2006 1:29 pm |
I have the same troubles when trying to find seabuckthorn oil!!
It seems like many less well known oils don't ever come in states like organic, unrefined, cold pressed etc..
But even if you could find it.. I would imagine the price being $$$ |
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Mon May 29, 2006 1:37 pm |
| for seabuckthorn seed & fruit oil trywww.seabuckthorn.com |
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Mon May 29, 2006 1:45 pm |
What are these oils for? Maybe you could try searching their scientific names  |
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31, Combination normal-dry skin, loves CSRx, PSF, A'kin, Decleor, ACV, Jojoba oil! |
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Mon May 29, 2006 6:39 pm |
| Interesting! So it has a high spf?! Do let us know when you find a source |
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31, Combination normal-dry skin, loves CSRx, PSF, A'kin, Decleor, ACV, Jojoba oil! |
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Mon May 29, 2006 7:04 pm |
Hi - I've received great product from Markey at Gardenofwisdom (the usual before and afters). She carries the Red Raspberry Seed Oil (cold-pressed). I'm not sure if it is all organic, however if you dropped her a note, I'm sure she'd let you know.
Red raspberry seed oil is a good anti-inflammatory oil which is very soothing. |
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Mon May 29, 2006 11:56 pm |
Thanks for the info BYRG.
At least if you know it is cold-pressed that it has retained most of its active properties. You could also just email the seller to ask if it is wild-crafted or something.
I have also heard that seasame oil and silk powder have some limited SPF properties too. So perhaps using these in combination can enhance the antioxidant and SPF power all together?
As regarding TO2 being damaging for the skin - I was trying to read more on the antioxidant properties of caffeine since it's used in so many products, caffeine itself also proliferates some tumour cells under certain UVA and UVB conditions.. so I guess some things actually aren't good for us once light hits them.. (I can find the article link if anyone wants it, just pm me) |
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Tue May 30, 2006 2:27 am |
Does this mean the sunscreens/sublock with TIO2 are bad and should be avoided?  |
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31, Combination normal-dry skin, loves CSRx, PSF, A'kin, Decleor, ACV, Jojoba oil! |
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Tue May 30, 2006 3:41 am |
| Hi BYRG, I am sure I saw this on the Rosa Y Fruita website a few months back, you know she changes her line quite often. Just an idea; why don't you e mail Elizabeth and ask her if she can get hold of some for you? |
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Tue May 30, 2006 10:03 am |
| titanium dioxide is perfectly fine to use...one article does not mean the end of the world:D |
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Extremely fair/sensitive skin(mild rosacea)that burns very easy.acne is rare/skin is dry.27 years old. |
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Tue May 30, 2006 10:07 am |
"However, TiO2 absorbs about 70% of incident UV, and in aqueous environments this leads to the generation of hydroxyl radicals which can initiate oxidations."
aqueous means water...water environments. Too bad this article was from almost 10 years ago and you think more research would have been done from other countries, ect. |
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Extremely fair/sensitive skin(mild rosacea)that burns very easy.acne is rare/skin is dry.27 years old. |
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Tue May 30, 2006 10:33 am |
Smoothskin:
You were correct, Rosa Y Fruita DID have seabuckthorn oil but I think I bought her extra bottle about 2 or 3 months ago.
BYRG: PM me if you want some seabuckthorn oil. |
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53, DermaQuest, NCN Products, PMD, Dermarolling |
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Tue May 30, 2006 11:02 am |
I like the idea of using raspberry seed oil as a sunblock. It sounds so natural and organic. However, does anyone know how much oil one should put on his/her face to reach spf20?  |
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Tue May 30, 2006 11:25 am |
I looked into this a little and have some questions.
How much would you need to apply to reach a certain SPF? Does this offer UVA/UVB protection? Any clue as to what wavelengths of the UV spectrum this would offer protection against? Are there any tests showing that red raspberry oil is safe to use in the sun? What tests have been done to prove that this is safe to use in the sun or safe to use at all?
Okay, I guess this is bringing out the skeptic in me! I don't think I would be willing to take any chances on using this. I think I will stick with my zinc oxide! |
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Tue May 30, 2006 2:00 pm |
Thanks. I did write Elizabeth. Her site is what first mentioned it's sunscreen properties. She said that she has some cold pressed stuff she can sell but it's not organic and once she gets her supplier to locate organic raspberry seeds they are going to custom press for her she will start selling it again. So if she has to get it custom made that way I doubt it is on the market from any supplier already, certified organic. I just thought I would check, never know if someone heard of something or knows of a little known source or something. I had never even heard of red raspberry seed oil before for skin care. It's fine, just my first preference was an organic one if was available. Not all my stuff is.
As far as the SPF the only way I know of finding out what a custom blend has is by getting it tested in a lab. Although none of these places selling any of these plant oils could do that and claim an SPF because then it makes the product classified as a drug, not a cosmetic and requires a special license and ext. testing etc. or whatever. Although many plant oils do have natural protection and absorption. This is the first one though I heard of having such a high SPF. Although I couldn't verify that unless I got it tested myself or saw a lab report from someone or something. Although I'm not such detailed or technical kind of person that I need to know the exact SPF of something. I'll know by how my skin reacts to being out in the sun for a while. It is claimed to have full spectrum UVA and UVB protection. Other oils that have sun protection I've heard are HelioCarrot Oil, Hazelnut Oil, Shea Butter, Jojoba (but very little), Pomegranate Oil, Macadamia Nut Oil, Red Palm Oil and many others. I also wear mineral makeup that has at least Zinc Oxide it that provides further protection, that has no SPF listed for it either. If you are concerned about an SPF you can also just add these kinds of oils to what you already use to provide further protection and also a ton of anti-oxidants.
I really don't know about the safety of anything. Who knows how my makeup is reacting on my skin in the sun or any oils or moisturizers, but I do prefer something that is food based. I read something about how all sunscreens that absorb UV rays have to then do something with this store energy and release it, and in doing so cause some oxidative damage to skin cells. Of course they said the overall DNA damage was not as high as unprotected skin, but nothing is really free of some damage and free radicals are everywhere. The only thing though is like the stuff about Titanium I heard is that while it does cause DNA damage etc. to cells upon UV exposure, it only matters if it is actually absorbed into the skin where it can do damage. If it is just sitting on top of the skin then it's just sitting on a layer of dead skin cells that don't matter and it won't hurt you. Although with these smaller and smaller particles of these minerals they really don't know how much if any gets absorbed into the skin or happens, perhaps under certain conditions like in the presence of absorption increaser chemicals that are in a lot of skin care products etc. It's also unclear what the degree of damage really is in a relative sense. As far as in water environments it would be relative when you are sweating in the hot sun or go swimming etc. I still think they are better then a lot of the chemical sunscreens with their gender bending oestrogen's that are linked to cancers, although neither is "natural", as they both are synthesized. But anyways, here was the info on Elizabeth's site: http://rosayfruta.com/pages/3096/FAQ.htm
MACrisis, how much SeaBuckthorn Oil do you have? Is there anything else in it? Thanks! |
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Tue May 30, 2006 2:38 pm |
| i think its good to be concerned about what we put on our skin, but i think it only makes sense that mineral makeups be micronized vs nanoparticle because we want coverage which means they cant make the particles too small...If we took everything we read about cosmetics to heart, i don't think any of us would wear makeup or sunscreen at all. Now days every time i turn on the news or pick up a newspaper/read the internet, something is on the market that is potentially dangerous, but i really think it's there to alarm us less scientific individuals to buy into what we don't completely understand. |
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Extremely fair/sensitive skin(mild rosacea)that burns very easy.acne is rare/skin is dry.27 years old. |
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Tue May 30, 2006 6:00 pm |
Hi
I don't have a background in science either and I don't want to get into another sunscreen fight, but from what I've read over onwww.theskincareboard.com (who do seem to know their science) the physical sunscreen scare is very hard to justify but much reported on the internet. It is one, very old study and in addition the physical screens are now micronised and encapsulated, which cuts down on free radicals being generated. There also seems to be very little evidence that raspberry seed oil has anything but the most minimal sun protection qualities. Have a search over there yourself. I can't be bothered to look up the threads I read, but they were v. convincing.
Just thought you should know.M |
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Tue May 30, 2006 6:40 pm |
| Thanks guys I really appreciate everyone giving their inputs objectively! |
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31, Combination normal-dry skin, loves CSRx, PSF, A'kin, Decleor, ACV, Jojoba oil! |
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:04 pm |
Hey Byrg
I emailed Rosa y fruta regarding the raspberry seed oil because there is no price listed for the product. But I never got a reply 
Is she still selling this oil?
TIA |
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:56 pm |
| miranets wrote: |
Hey Byrg
I emailed Rosa y fruta regarding the raspberry seed oil because there is no price listed for the product. But I never got a reply
Is she still selling this oil?
TIA |
Hi,
Don't know when you emailed Elizabeth but her site stated she is closed from 6/3 til 6/11. Maybe you can try emailing after the 11th? She is usually very prompt with emails. |
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~~ super-sensitive, dry, dermatitis prone, rosacea/northern calif ~~ |
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:52 pm |
I have been using Red Raspberry Seed Oil as a sunscreen for the past two years. I am not a scientific person nor do I want to be. I also don't want to debate wether or not it works or why it cannot work as a sunscreen. All I can say is I have used it and I have never burned, tanned or got any hyperpigmentation from the sun. I love this oil and would never go back to using anything else as a sunscreen. It leaves my skin soft and supple and does remarkably good things for my skin that no other sunscreen could ever do. Pomegranate Seed oil supposedly also provides UVA/UVB protection.
Although I get my oils from Elizabeth at Rosa Y Fruta you can purchase Red Raspberry Seed Oil from http://www.naturesgift.com |
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:05 pm |
| leeleedeedee wrote: |
I have been using Red Raspberry Seed Oil as a sunscreen for the past two years. I am not a scientific person nor do I want to be. I also don't want to debate wether or not it works or why it cannot work as a sunscreen. All I can say is I have used it and I have never burned, tanned or got any hyperpigmentation from the sun. I love this oil and would never go back to using anything else as a sunscreen. It leaves my skin soft and supple and does remarkably good things for my skin that no other sunscreen could ever do. Pomegranate Seed oil supposedly also provides UVA/UVB protection.
Although I get my oils from Elizabeth at Rosa Y Fruta you can purchase Red Raspberry Seed Oil from http://www.naturesgift.com |
Thank you! That's what I need to know. If you can't get a tan with it on, it must be blocking something. Personally I am not of the opinion that you need SPF 60 or something to adquately protect from the sun. It smells though right? Fishy? Do you dilute it with any other oils or use it straight all over your face and body? I guess I give up on finding an organic supply. Why there are organic versions of everything else and not this I have no idea. Pomegranate, Sea Buckthorn etc. all organic. But for reg. cold press, a great price is here https://shop.gardenofwisdom.com/displayProductDocument.hg?productId=599&categoryId=87
https://shop.gardenofwisdom.com/displayProductDocument.hg?productId=598&categoryId=87
Elizabeth is selling it for $35 for 100ml.
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There also seems to be very little evidence that raspberry seed oil has anything but the most minimal sun protection qualities. Have a search over there yourself. I can't be bothered to look up the threads I read, but they were v. convincing.
Just thought you should know.M |
What is the "most minimal"? Jojoba and some other oils supposedly have an spf of like 3. I think raspberry is far above that. I have looked over there and read a bunch of threads on the raspberry oil and they all seem to be for it. It's just not proven, real life studies are needed, but it showed some potential. Self experimentation will tell me more.
"Since I now have all the up close and personal information, I can tell you that one study was done that showed this had a potential to have this SPF in a test tube environment compared to zinc oxide. No further research has been done." - Deb |
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:32 pm |
Hey I think it's really great that we are able to find sources of natural, non chemical alternatives for sun protection that don't have controversial health effects.
I am just rather disappointed at the scientific community for its lack of interest and investigation into these simple substances that ar e readily available.
Thanks guys for all the interesting info and links. |
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:29 am |
Hi Leeleedee
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| All I can say is I have used it and I have never burned, tanned or got any hyperpigmentation from the sun |
That's v. interesting. Do you mind saying what kind of climate you live in or you've been to and used this stuff? Do you tan easily? How old are you and are you prone to hyperpigmentation or burning? (Sorry, so many questions, but I'm interested)
Hi BYRG - I can't remember where I got my info - in fact I looked into so many things lately that I'm afraid I might have confused the raspberry seed oil with something else - sorry  |
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