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Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:03 am  |
Has anyone tried the Cellcosmet concentrated day and night cream? The Ultra Vital is a bit too oily for me for summer and I am thinking about the concentrated day and concentrated night cream.
I cannot seem to find reviews on these two products. |
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:37 am |
Same here! I cannot find any reviews on the Concentrated moisterizer.
I dab some Ultra Vital in the winter. I was planning on buying the Concentrate one for the spring/summer
I hope Barbara will respond to this post.  |
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:43 pm |
| I'm hoping for a reply too. I like the eye cream. |
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:40 am |
Here is my review of the Concentrated night cream.
I only got a sample of it because I was still having difficulty trying to figure out if I should buy that or the Ultra Vital.
I only applied it once and that was last night.
After I washed my face with the Cellcosmet gentle cream cleanser, I applied the eye gel then the concentrate night cream.
Let me just tell you........what an amazinging luxuries feeling it had! It did have the same strong scent as the ultra vital cream though but as I read the ingrediants, there are no perfume added. Just all the natural stuff.
I skin is lightly dry due to the fact I do use prescription Vitamin A cream. But underneath I have a problem with acne but my prescription does help.
This moisterizer feels so nice when you apply it and you have to put on very little. This is so concentrated! After I applied it on, I had this nice glow on my skin and some may consider it to be oily skin if you love the matt look.
When I woke up this morning, I was extremely surprised how stiff my skin felt but when you touch it, it felt subtle and soft. It is so hard to explain or find the right word to explain this feeling of my skin. It just felt stiff or very firm and all I could think about that this is a perfect cream for bedtime because I sleep on my side and we all know that is not the best position to sleep due to causing wrinkles. I felt that I had to put an extra effort to raise my eyebrow or smile. This is how firm my skin felt. It is totally unbelievable!
I did not get a sample of the day cream and the representative was not in yesterday. I was hoping he could help me decide which moisterizer would be perfect for me.
Today I spoke to the manager at Cellcosmet counter and he told me that it is true that some people do feel a tight feeling. He said that it is because there is probably some negative problem already with your skin and the cream will have to slowly work it's way down to the mid-tissue of your skin. He said this could take three months or sooner for that stiff feeling to go away.
He also told me that the Concentrate line for myself should be used in the winter and the Ultra Vital should be my summer moisterizer and can be used and day and night cream. He also said that the Ultra Vital is a warmer/summer moisterizer and with the ingrediants of the Concentrate it is a lot more moisterizing.
At the moment he also suggested that I should start with Sensative day and night cream to kick start my skincare. He said that one puchase should last three months and then I should move on to the Ultra Vital for the summer and if I feel that my skin is more dry in the winter, to use the Concentrate day/night cream.
I learned a lot more about the three eye treatments from Cellcosmet. He did not feel that I made a mistake buying the Eye contour gel-XT and after I finish it, I can move on to the Eye Contour cream for day and night. He also said and he did mean overall with Cellcosmet creams that when you first use their creams, it will make your skin look worse and after three months you will notice a great improvement. In deceiding which cream to buy I guess you need to get consulted. He said that if I bought Ultra Vital first it may be too harsh, meaning it would work too fast and I may not be too happy with my skin looking worse before it gets better. This is why he suggested I purchase Sensative day/night moisterizer first. As for the Eye Contour cream, I told him with the sample I think I got Milia. He said this could happen because the ingrediants will purify anything that may be within my skin tissue and over time the Eye Contour cream will improve my skin.
I hope you really like my review and the information I got from the Cellcosmet manager at Holt's. |
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:18 pm |
Skincare I really liked your review but am not too sure about the information you got from the Cellcosmet manager!
I use the Sensitive Day Cream and know exactly what you are talking about with the stiff/tight feeling as I experience this from the Sensitive Day Cream. The way you described it is exactly how I would describe it! I just assumed that this was due to film forming agnets in the product. I have not see an ingredient list for the Concentrated Night Cream so I cannot say if it has the film formers but the Sensitive Day, Concentrated Day,Utlra Vital and Eye Cream have them (listed on the ingredient list as hydroxyethycellulose). Also, could you double check the Concentrated Night Cream ingredient list to make sure that there is no fragrance in the product? It seems odd that fragrance is in all the other Cellcosmet creams that I have seen ingredient lists for but not in this particular one. I am not doubting you at all but it would be great if you could humor me and double check!
I don't quite know what to make of what the Cellcosmet manager told you. His recommendations for which products to use and when to use them seem fine but some of his statements do not make any sense to me. Why should a cream give you a tight feeling if there is a negative problem already in your skin? I can see how a cream would need time to work and to slowly improve your skin but saying that a cream causes the tight feeling that we are describing because of some problem with our skin does not make sense. My skin does not feel this way before I put the cream on or after I rinse it off. It does not feel this way with other moisturizers. My bet is on the film formers. Also, did he say why the Cellcosmet Creams could cause your skin to look worse before it gets better? It almost sounds like what some say about copper peptide products. Honestly, on the Eye Cream (which I love BTW) I don't see what in it would cause purifying or purdging but there are ingredients in it that could cause milia in individuals that are prone to them.
If you speak to the Cellcosmet manager again can you do me a favor and ask him exactly how the cellular extract in the Cellcosmet products work? I would be interested to hear what he has to say.
p.s. I really liked your review of this and the Cellcosmet cleanser. You write great reviews!  |
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:40 pm |
Thanks Skincare.
I was really hoping to find a cellcosmet cream that is not too heavy that I can use in summer. I tried a sample of the ultra vital (it's winter here) and I find it quite rich so it might be a bit too oily for me in summer.
I am waiting for some samples of ISC. I am not sure where the hydracool will be a sufficient moisturiser for both summer and winter. I was therefore thinking of topping it up with cellcosmet. Or if ISC does not agree with my skin, then using cellcosmet products alone.
Any suggestions? |
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:14 pm |
TheresaL,
You said that you are using the Sensitive day cream and it leaves a tight feeling? I got that from the sample of Concentrated cream.
I'm sorry that I cannot explain any further or any better about why it would feel more tight when you first use it. He used words that I have no idea what it meant. As he spoke to me on the phone, I couldn't help but think of another post about what exactly does Cellcosmet have and makes it so special and so far nobody was really able to explain it in plain english.
I am also beginning to wonder if some people who have posted very positive reviews about Cellcosmet on EDS may be employees of that company.
......sorry, I have finish responding later, I just got called away on an urgent matter...
bye for now... |
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:28 am |
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As he spoke to me on the phone, I couldn't help but think of another post about what exactly does Cellcosmet have and makes it so special and so far nobody was really able to explain it in plain english.
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Skincare, the post you mention about how Cellcosmet works was started by me. I am very curious about this. I emailed Cellcosmet on this last week and am waiting for a reply. I look forward to the rest of your response when you post it.
Theresa |
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:52 am |
ok, where was I?
You wanted to know how the cellular estract in Cellcosmet products work. I can't remember the answer. Something about the ingrediants were made to fit certain age groups as per marked on each type of cream.
In fact, I remember as he spoke to me, it sounded like he was saying stuff as how he was trained by Cellcosmet. Remember Paula Begoun warning about sales people?
As for the perfume, you are right! I looked at the sample it does have fragrance. 
It also does have hydroxyethycellulose in the ingrediant listing. What is that?
As for the Eye Conour cream about purifing the skin on the eye area...I don't know what to say about that. I am only sharing what he said. I think he was just desperate to defend the product. Again, I'm not sure if it was the eye cream that gave me Milia. I just remember him saying that I could possably already have the Milia underneith my skin and the eye cream help bring it out.
I even remember my dermotologist saying my prescription would make it worse before it gets better.
With that being said, we are only talking about a moisterizer here. Now, at my age, I do need a moisterizer. I was just concerned if it would provoke acne.
My skin problem is that the sebum is building up underneith my skin and the top layers of my skin is dry. In the winter, I get really dry skin and it peels.
Theresa, I will speak to him very soon. What is your skin type and do you have any regrets buying the Sensitive day and night cream?
Ninetynine:
My first thought was that maybe you are putting on too much cream.
Maybe you should use Sonya Dakar Omega 3 oil. It is kind of greasy but it does not clog your pores or create acne.
Don't forget that I am taking medication for my acne and it is basically draining all the moister from my skin and promoting cellular renewal.
I did order ISC Super Serum and I am waiting for it by mail.
My new routine would be:
AM
Cellcosmet Cream cleanser
ISC Super Serum
Cellcosmet Eye Contour Gel-XT
Cellcosmet Sensitive Day cream
Skinceuticals SPF 30
Mid-Day:
Cellcosmet Cream cleanser and Cle de Peau eye makeup remover
My medication to be worn for 3 hours
PM
Cellcosmet Cream cleanser
Cellcosmet Eye Countour Gel-XT
Cellcosmet Sensitive night
I do plan to buy ISC cleanser because it has glycolic and the body lotion and most likely I would alternate with Moisteral lotion. Only because of cost. I think sometimes I would buy Cellex-C Body Smoothing lotion.
Also, I think I would use ISC cleanser at night and the Cellcosmet Cream cleanser in the morning becuase Cellcosmet cleanser cannot even remove my non-waterproof mascara.
Or, should I do it the other way around? |
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:43 am |
| I like the cellcosmet eye cream. I love the scent the best. It smells so heavenly. I am almost out of it, but it lasted a long time. There are some samples on ebay, so I think I might keep going that route. I just wish there was a buy it now button. I hate waiting for the days to end to see if I won something. Sometimes nothing comes up when I search ebay for cellcosmet, and sometimes it does. |
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:44 am |
| Opps, I meant to add I have tried the concentrated day cream. Its nicely scented, again, but I didn't notice anything extra. It makes my skin smooth, but dosen't all lotions. I don't know, I am not a very good reviewer, which is why I hardly ever ever ever write them. I used it until it was gone, and it did not make me break out, so its a plus, but at the same time, I didn't think it was a whole lot better than photolagen, which is much cheaper. How long do you think one should use a cream like this to see? Did someone say three months? I am not that patient. |
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:44 pm |
| Skincare wrote: |
ok, where was I?
You wanted to know how the cellular estract in Cellcosmet products work. I can't remember the answer. Something about the ingrediants were made to fit certain age groups as per marked on each type of cream.
In fact, I remember as he spoke to me, it sounded like he was saying stuff as how he was trained by Cellcosmet. Remember Paula Begoun warning about sales people? |
I didn't think that you would get an plain and simple explanation as to why the Cellcosmet works! I will update my thread on this if I ever find out.
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| As for the perfume, you are right! I looked at the sample it does have fragrance. |
Thanks for double checking this.
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| It also does have hydroxyethycellulose in the ingrediant listing. What is that? |
This if from Paula Begoun's website, "hydroxyethylcellulose. Plant-derived thickening agent typically used as a binding agent or emulsifier. Also used (most often in styling products) as a film-forming agent". My quess is that this ingredient is forming a slight film on our skin which is causing the tight feeling that we experience. I may be wrong on this but it makes more sense than the manager's explanation!
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As for the Eye Conour cream about purifing the skin on the eye area...I don't know what to say about that. I am only sharing what he said. I think he was just desperate to defend the product. Again, I'm not sure if it was the eye cream that gave me Milia. I just remember him saying that I could possably already have the Milia underneith my skin and the eye cream help bring it out.
I even remember my dermotologist saying my prescription would make it worse before it gets better.
With that being said, we are only talking about a moisterizer here. Now, at my age, I do need a moisterizer. I was just concerned if it would provoke acne.
My skin problem is that the sebum is building up underneith my skin and the top layers of my skin is dry. In the winter, I get really dry skin and it peels.
Theresa, I will speak to him very soon. What is your skin type and do you have any regrets buying the Sensitive day and night cream?
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I do agree about prescription medications making acne worse before it gets better. I have experienced this myself with Duac but not with Differin. However, I do not see anything in the eye cream that would cause a purdging reaction similar to prescription acne meds.
Actually we seem to be dealing with some of the same issues with out skin. I have oily/combination skin that is usually dehydrated (I live in the desert). My skin is acne prone and very sensitive. I love the eye cream and do not regret purchasing it. That being said my husband is doing a half face test of the eye cream so I will have a better idea of whether it is worth the price when he finishes his experiment. However, I must say I have never used an eye cream as nice as the Cellcosmet! As to the Sensitive Day Cream (I did not purchase the Night Cream) it is too soon to tell. I tried the sample a few months back and based on that bought the full size. I only used the full size for one week (long explanation as to why I stopped using it but it has nothing to do with the product and has to do with me not wanting to interfer with another product I am testing right now). My impressions are: I do not like the tight feeling that you described. I do like the texture of the product and feel that it hydrates without being greasy. Acne wise at least for me one week is too soon to tell if it will make my acne worse. I felt that there is a possiblility that the cream may be irritating my skin but this is hard to tell. I will try the Day Cream again and see what I think but that may take a while as I am really trying to be patient with adding and testing new products.
BTW what acne medication are you using? I am also curious as to why you apply this for three hours only but perhaps when you tell me what it is it will make sense. Your routine sounds good. I would recommend using the Cream cleanser in the morning and the ISC cleanser in the evening. Have you tried the Cellcosmet Gel Cleanser? I use this in the evening and prefer it to the ISC Cleanser which I tried a sample of . I found the ISC to be irritating and more drying than the Cellcosmet. |
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:58 pm |
Gee, I didn't have any tightness at all and I was as dry as a bone!!! No kidding, in fact my skin was so screwed up when I started the C line, my face was half oily half dry. And that was just 15 days out of 30 days...
Truly, if I had the kind of response I hear from some first time users, I don't think I would proceed. It might be my HG and someone might find it mediocre. The intent to my post is to say that my post mini review of sensitive day or night is... I thought the day was less emollient than the evening but I now believe that was in my perception alone. When I am waiting for a supply of ultra vital to come in and I use a day or night as a substitution, I can't tell which I am using. I also didn't experience any negative feelings or reactions.
P.S. I have a hard time with what the sales person was saying. I think the key in my statement is sales….
I also have a really interesting (i thought it was as embarrasing as hell) review?? of a JB product. Wait until you read what I did 
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Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:46 am |
Barbara, last night I read your post and after I shut off my computer started thinking about what you said. I had previously been wondering why the Eye Cream did not cause a tight/stiff feeling for me while the Sensitive Day Cream did despite the fact that both have film formers. My only guess was that the Day Cream had more of them. After reading your post I started to wonder about why you did not experience this tight feeling. From what you said your skin wasn't in great condition so what the Cellcosmt SA said to explain Skincare's stiff feeling did not seem like an explanation either. Then I thought about you mentioning negative reactions and not using something if you had reactions similar to what some of us were experiencing. At some point in my mind something just clicked and I recalled a reaction that I had to a cleanser (Thalgo Pure Delicacy). This cleanser made my skin feel very uncomfortable and I recall describing the sensation as a tight, tugging sensation. Not like the feeling that I get when I cleanse my skin with a drying cleanser but different. The Sensitive Day caused the same exact sensation. So now I am wondering if my skin is just having a bad reaction to the product. Oddly enough in my response to Skincare I did mention that I thought the cream might be irritating my skin. And the more I think about it I can recall several products that I used that were irritating and caused this tightness. I wonder if the tight feeling is caused by minor swelling that results from using something that irritates my skin. I will try the cream again and see if the same thing happens. If it does I don't think that I will keep using it for a few months like the SA recommended. I don't think it is a good idea to use anything that irritates my skin in this way. So perhaps my "theory" about film formers was wrong all along.....
Looking forward to your JB review..... |
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Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:24 am |
I don't have time to respond because I am on my way to a job interview.
Just a quick answer about my prescription. I am using Vitamin A cream and I have to wear it for 3 or 4 hours then I wash it off.
Ok, I have to go....my resume and references just got printed.
Wish me luck!
By the way....this morning, I did not feel as much of a tight feeling anymore with the Concentrate cream for night. |
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Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:18 pm |
I also, did not like his answer to my questions...I think it was a practice sales pitch.
Tomorrow, I am supposed to buy the full size of the Sensitive day/night cream.
I hope I am not making a mistake. |
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Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:55 pm |
Hi I also had a tight feeling when using the sensitive day cream but the feeling sort of wore off after a few days. I finished using the sample of the sensitive day cream and did not have any side effects or bad reaction to it.
I got the same feeling with the ultra vital too. |
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Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:00 pm |
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Hi I also had a tight feeling when using the sensitive day cream but the feeling sort of wore off after a few days. I finished using the sample of the sensitive day cream and did not have any side effects or bad reaction to it.
I got the same feeling with the ultra vital too. |
What is your skin type? By the way, did I mention that I also thought that if you use Hydracool as a moisterizer and use Cellcosmet could be a bit too much? Unless you are extremely dry and you don't experience acne. |
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:53 am |
| Skincare,Nintynine-It sounds like both of you experienced the tight feeling and then it went away after a few days. For me I used the Sensitive Day Cream for a week and still experienced the tightness! And Barbara didn't experience it at all. Someday I will have to try it again and see what happens. I have several samples of the Concentrated Day and should be getting samples of the Sensitive Night and Concentrated Night. It will be interesting to try them all and see how my skin reacts! |
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:15 am |
I cannot believe that SA said to use UltraVital for summer - did I read that wrong?
My understanding of their line is that the juvenil/preventative/concentrated differ mostly by their cellular activity level (and are used based on the biological age of the skin). I have samples here of the concentrated and juvenil, I should have a look and compare. I have previously tried sensitive (liked it) and ultra vital (hated it for my skin)
IF you have extremely dry or dehydrated skin (regardless of age) then you use Ultravital and IF you have sensitive skin (again regardless of age) you use the sensitive line.
We have a Cellcosmet specialist shop here in Tokyo - maybe I should go visit them! |
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:18 pm |
Skincare
I have combination skin - normal with an oily T-zone. My skin is less oily as I get older. I hardly get any acne anymore as I am 50 now but I have large pores.
I think my skin might be a bit dry about the edges of my nose as the skin there tends to flake in winter - it might just need more hydration and not oil.
I am just waiting for my order of ISC samples and is asking around to check whether I need something more than the hydracool. |
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:22 pm |
Tiger Tim
It would be great if you could check with the cellcosmet shop in Japan.
Could you please also find out from them what the concentrated cream is for eg dry/dehydrafted skin or just for mature skin.
I might going to Myers this weekend (if I get a parking spot - being Father's Day this Sunday  ) and check out the simplicite line for you. |
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:00 pm |
Ninetynine,
Regarding the Hydracool, I have combination/oily skin and tried a sample of this. I did not find it moisturizing enough by itself. I live in a very dry climate and the humidity level was low when I tried the Hydracool but I could not imagine it being enough for me except for the monsoon season when it is hot and humid. I have samples of the Concentrated Day and IMO judging by the ingredient list, if you find the Ultra Vital too oily for the summer you will most likely feel the same way about the Concentrated Creams. If you haven't seen the ingredient list for the Concentrated Day I could post it for you. What was your opinion of the Sensitive Day cream for summer use? I used it for a week (during our monsoon season) and did not think it was greasy or over-moisturizing at all. BTW the Cellcosmet website says that the Concentrated Day/Night creams are for all skin types over 35 years old so I don't think that it is only for Dehydrated/Dry skin. What samples are you trying from ISC? You may want to call or email the ladies at EDS and see what Cellcosmet cream they would recommend for you! HTH |
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Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:16 pm |
Theresa
I think the sensitive was fine for me. I did not find it too greasy but wanted to check out the concentrated creams and it is more my age group. |
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Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:06 pm |
| So did anyone else like the day cream? I also plan on ordering this kit once I get my 15% off. |
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