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Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:35 pm  |
What do you use for deep wrinkles around your mouth? I am looking for some type of cream or some kind of product. I do not want to get Botox or any other procedure.
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:12 am |
There are a few routes you can go, IMO all of those routes will work best if you keep your skin hydrated with squalane, emu or jojoba oil.
You should also definitely use sunscreens with any routine you use to prevent further damage. I know of people wo have reversed wrinkles with peels, start out with either glycolic or lactic, lactic being the best for pigmented, sensitive skin. You can use TCA after you have used a series of the peels listed above, or you can use retinoids for exfoliation (I have used retinoids and lactic acid at te same time, leading up to A TCA peel, all of which were generously spaced apart, don't do this if your skin is sensitive) before a TCA peel. You can use copper peptides after the peels to help te skin heal and remodel the damaged collagen. You can also use C serums which will help stimulate collagen over time, but you shoudn;t use a C serum in conjunction with copper peptides, since they oxidize eachother... Scalawaggirl is the EDS resident copper peptide remodeler girl, so if you decide to go that route you should definitely check out her threads. You can purchase copper peptides and find out more info about them at skinbio.com, and you can purchase the peels and get more info at makeupartistschoice.com. Goodluck:)
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:56 am |
| The best response I have had to deep lines in the short term is Valmont L Elixir or Valmont AWF Factor III or Remergent DNA and Barrier Repair long term. I have also used the Valmont Lip Repair on and around my lips. I am not sure which one had the most effect but the lines around and above my lips have almost gone. |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:37 pm |
I said wrinkles around my mouth but I guess I should have said the deep lines that go from the corner of your nose down towards the corner of your mouth and also the vertical deep lines that go from the corner of your mouth to your chin.
Thanks for the replies so far |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:16 pm |
| radiesse lasts a long time and works |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:27 pm |
You might want to try one of those topical muscle relaxants -- they make your wrinkles less noticeable and also prevent them from getting deeper by I guess sort of "freezing" the muscle in the area. DDF has one called Wrinkle Relax I think and Bliss has one as well.
and of course anything collagen building, like the others have said. |
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:19 pm |
| i think valmont lip repair will do good to the wrinkles around your mouth, but it will be a long time. |
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:35 am |
| queenmary wrote: |
| i think valmont lip repair will do good to the wrinkles around your mouth, but it will be a long time. |
I used this for about two months (I still can't believe the generous sample Carekate sent me lasted that long!) and it did absolutely nada for me. I didn't even feel it plumped the skin well thus giving the illusion it was helping. So far my favorite treatment is still the Skinceuticals lip treatment, but again that's not going to work any miracles. I've got the Ice Elements Edelwiess on its way which is supposed to be made for this area, so I will definitely report back on it.
This area is really tricky, at least for me, since acids are probably the best bet at eliminating them in the long run, but at the same time they can do more damage if you over do it. Finding the right balance is my goal and I will definitely report back while doing the happy dance ( ) on the day I achieve it! Good luck! |
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:37 am |
I tried the Edelweiss for 6 full weeks, maybe that is not long enough, but it did not do anything for my vertical lip lines.  Maybe the Edelweiss needs a longer time to work, as it is very gentle. I am back to experimenting with the Retin A mixed with Neova anti-oxidant therapy and this time I am going to try to stay with it for 3 months. The last time I tried this there was a difference in 2 weeks, noticeable, but not a miracle. I also am using the Skinceuticals line defense in the morning. Will report back if this works! |
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:22 pm |
| TAMgirl99 wrote: |
| queenmary wrote: |
| i think valmont lip repair will do good to the wrinkles around your mouth, but it will be a long time. |
I used this for about two months (I still can't believe the generous sample Carekate sent me lasted that long!) and it did absolutely nada for me. I didn't even feel it plumped the skin well thus giving the illusion it was helping. So far my favorite treatment is still the Skinceuticals lip treatment, but again that's not going to work any miracles. I've got the Ice Elements Edelwiess on its way which is supposed to be made for this area, so I will definitely report back on it.
This area is really tricky, at least for me, since acids are probably the best bet at eliminating them in the long run, but at the same time they can do more damage if you over do it. Finding the right balance is my goal and I will definitely report back while doing the happy dance () on the day I achieve it! Good luck! |
thus different peopele different feeling, we'd better choose the right one just for us. |
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:30 pm |
ProLipid REfine ..Aloette Cosmetics. .(see product review "amazing results around mouth")
Since I am a smoker .  .this is my worst area,,,compared to the usual ""worst"" areas for age 60...jaw,neck,eyes! 
Have been awestruck with results of these products.....wow is apt   
Order mine on Ebay...have also seen these products on the shopping network....good luck[/b] |
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:34 am |
I've had good luck with glycolic/lactic acid peels my lines are mostly gone. I've been doing it for over two years though and you need to go slowly. I haven't noticed any other creams really affecting these. I do use Tazorac and after peels CPs and PSF O2 serum because it seems to speed healing.
Good luck. I am wary of injectables but this is a location where they seem to work well. |
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:49 pm |
Thanks for all the nice help. I wish I could find the little miracle in a bottle to turn back time. Just a little lotion before bedtime and wake up looking 20 years younger. No needles, No peels ......  |
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Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:31 am |
I think the best prevention or solution is "do not laugh too much or too frequent"
Seriously, I really think so. Anyone agrees with this? |
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Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:41 am |
I really don't think it's laughing-not for the verticals...you may want to quit eating & drinking since this puckers the lips (obv. smoking)  |
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Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:42 am |
| restylane does not last long for most people in the upper lip vertical line,there is too much movement there.You MAY be lucky and it might last longer than some people everyone is different. Radiesse will last MUCH longer than restylane between 8 mos to 2 years,I would give that a shot. I wonder if a peel like Obagi would help also? |
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:27 pm |
| handsbella wrote: |
I think the best prevention or solution is "do not laugh too much or too frequent"
Seriously, I really think so. Anyone agrees with this? |
To be honest, I used to always give a polite laugh when one of my coworkers would make a not so funny joke, now I don't even go there! I figure, if I'm going to get lines from laughing the lines are going to be from real, enjoyable laughs, not just to boost some annoying guy's ego I have noticed my laugh lines faded almost completely in just the last two months of using retin-a (which I'm guess is from the srious exfoliation it gives, I doubt collagen production could occur so quickly, so noticably) I'm thinking of getting frownies for the days and nights my boyfriend is working to help them go away for good  |
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:23 pm |
| dealated wrote: |
I have noticed my laugh lines faded almost completely in just the last two months of using retin-a (which I'm guess is from the srious exfoliation it gives, I doubt collagen production could occur so quickly, so noticably) I'm thinking of getting frownies for the days and nights my boyfriend is working to help them go away for good |
Wow, that's great. What strength of retin a do you use? How long have you been using it?
edited to add: oops! I just saw in your sig. that you use .05%. Is it the cream or gel? And is there a difference between them? |
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:28 am |
| anomaly wrote: |
| dealated wrote: |
I have noticed my laugh lines faded almost completely in just the last two months of using retin-a (which I'm guess is from the srious exfoliation it gives, I doubt collagen production could occur so quickly, so noticably) I'm thinking of getting frownies for the days and nights my boyfriend is working to help them go away for good |
Wow, that's great. What strength of retin a do you use? How long have you been using it?
edited to add: oops! I just saw in your sig. that you use .05%. Is it the cream or gel? And is there a difference between them? |
I use the cream because I have combo skin, with some pretty dry areas. I think the gel (retin-a micro) is stronger (potentially more drying) but it is typically better for sensitive skin because it is less irritating. |
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:33 am |
| I have fine lines around the mouth area (@ the corners of the mouth) It shows up more when I put on foundation . I need to get rid of it quick. -Melissa |
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:17 am |
| dealated wrote: |
| anomaly wrote: |
| dealated wrote: |
I have noticed my laugh lines faded almost completely in just the last two months of using retin-a (which I'm guess is from the srious exfoliation it gives, I doubt collagen production could occur so quickly, so noticably) I'm thinking of getting frownies for the days and nights my boyfriend is working to help them go away for good |
Wow, that's great. What strength of retin a do you use? How long have you been using it?
edited to add: oops! I just saw in your sig. that you use .05%. Is it the cream or gel? And is there a difference between them? |
I use the cream because I have combo skin, with some pretty dry areas. I think the gel (retin-a micro) is stronger (potentially more drying) but it is typically better for sensitive skin because it is less irritating. |
I tried the retin A micro, a few years back, and sad to say, I looked like a). someone dragged me face down a few times down the hallway carpet or b) I just had the best face down on carpet sex of my life. Was I missing a trick to using this??????  .. |
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:47 am |
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| I tried the retin A micro, a few years back, and sad to say, I looked like a). someone dragged me face down a few times down the hallway carpet or b) I just had the best face down on carpet sex of my life. Was I missing a trick to using this?????? .. |
 sounds like maybe you were turning a trick!! |
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:14 pm |
| well bottom half of my face was def not pretty, I can tell ya that, funniest part is I had given my sister some samples the dr gave me, we met for lunch and she looked the same...omg it was a funny afternoon!!! |
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