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Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:11 pm  |
| Hi,I am new to the forum. I am in my 40's and I have very few wrinkles but I have noticed some sagging. I would like to try a lifting cream but do not know of any that might work. Please tell me which creams you have tried and if any have worked. Thanks |
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:24 pm |
Welcome to the forum!
long term- copper peptides, short term PSF's DMAE serum  |
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:52 pm |
Candessence DMAE Serum (made by a forum member) is excellent. She does a 4% and a 6%, so you can start off with the weaker strength to see if it suits you, if you like. From: http://www.candessence.com
This, and any other DMAE Serum, would be used under a moisturising cream, as it doesn't actually moisturise. I find Neal's Yard Remedies Frankincense to be great, and it also helps a little with firming too. |
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:32 pm |
| I recommend Osmotics Blue Copper Firming cream. |
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:37 pm |
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| long term- copper peptides, short term PSF's DMAE serum Smile |
gotta agree big time with this!
I believe consistant use of dmae also has some long term benefits, but the short term benefits are what I found most endearing about it. |
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:51 pm |
DMAE, yes, very,very endearing!  It really does make a difference for me, love it. |
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46 - dry, - I'm on a strict "No Buy" - however, a coupon code & free shipping can quickly change that... |
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:25 pm |
Hi Starlight and welcome to the forum! I have to agree about DMAE. I've tried a few others and have been simply WOWED by the new PSF product. It works best when applied to freshly-cleansed skin. When I use their Pumpkin Enzyme Peel, DMAE and Berry Beneficial Antioxidant Serum, my 54 yr. old face looks smoother and firmer than it has using any other products I've ever tried.
I don't think EDS is selling it yet -- I got it from their website,www.pureskinformulations.com |
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:14 pm |
| PocoLoco wrote: |
| I recommend Osmotics Blue Copper Firming cream. |
I just started using this for my neck..it needs alittle lifting. 
Unfortunately if skin is sagging TOO much than nothing short of surgery will help.
Does anyone know if DMAE can be combined/layered with a copper product??
HTH |
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Early 40's, normal/dry, Oily T zone (summer) fine lines, hyperpigmentation |
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:28 pm |
| What about a liquid form of DMAE mixed with liquid HA? Would that help with the drying issue of DMAE or would that interfere? |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:10 am |
| I think I read somewhere that HA should not be mixed with DMAE as it can negate the effect of the DMAE. |
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Skin: Over 60, ex combination now sensitive, Cellcosmet |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:06 am |
| actually, there are quite a few DMAE products that use HA in it -- exactly to negate the drying effects.... i've been using Candy's DMAE with her HA over it (as have a lot of other people) and there doesn't seem to be a problem with using the two at the same time. |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:25 am |
Lifeply,
There is no problem layering DMAE with a copper peptide product. |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:29 am |
I would also recommend CPs and DMAE, and patience. It takes quite a while to see real results.
I like DMAE by candessence, ifeelpretty.com, and by Kripps.
HTH,
Lucy. |
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Early 50s, Skin: combin.,semi-sensitive, fair with occasional breakouts, some old acne scars, freckles, under-eye wrinkles; Redhead with hazel eyes |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:45 am |
The other day when i was in sephora, the SA recommended a product line called swissclinic, basically it can replace surgeries on everything, if you would like a face lift or eye lift.
they gave me some sample for eye serum, i tried and it seems the skin around my eyes are tighted up. i didnt try their face lift because it is too early for me, but you may want to check it out at sephora. |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:53 am |
| gracedhy wrote: |
The other day when i was in sephora, the SA recommended a product line called swissclinic, basically it can replace surgeries on everything, if you would like a face lift or eye lift.
they gave me some sample for eye serum, i tried and it seems the skin around my eyes are tighted up. i didnt try their face lift because it is too early for me, but you may want to check it out at sephora. |
Tell me more...it dosen't seem to be on the sephora website, but I googled it and, believe it or not, it's sold in my neighborhood pharmacy. Off to research! |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:33 pm |
I tried an Osmotics copper cream (is it still a bluish color?) years ago. It seemed a nice enough product (had a metallic scent) but I didn't notice any change in my skin after using two jars. Perhaps it's one of those types of products that you have to use long-term. Actually, a Nordstrom SA snagged me right after my flight landed and I was jet-lagged and exhausted. He must've thought I could use some extra help but at the time, all I needed was rest!
However, years later, DMAE (amine type) gives me immediate and noticeable improvement and from what I understand gets even better over time. As it is, my eyelids and neck have shown the most tightening, which is a typical reaction according to a study I read. My cheeks also feel tighter but I can't say there's been as dramatic tightening of my jawline. Some people experience good results from other forms of DMAE but it wasn't until I tried the amine form, and particularly PSF DMAE Gel, that I had any dramatic improvement.
I'd be interested to know how Osmotics works out for others who use it. Is there any improvement worth noting so far? |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:03 pm |
| PocoLoco wrote: |
Lifeply,
There is no problem layering DMAE with a copper peptide product. |
Thanks PocoLoc Now I may have to give it a try  |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:11 pm |
| If you are using an amine DMAE such as the PureSkinFormulations product, you are supposed to apply it first to clean skin, let it sit for ~10 minutes, and then apply your next product (it should be non-acidic, and the copper peptides products are fine because they're neutral ph). |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:12 pm |
| m.april wrote: |
I tried an Osmotics copper cream (is it still a bluish color?) years ago. It seemed a nice enough product (had a metallic scent) but I didn't notice any change in my skin after using two jars. Perhaps it's one of those types of products that you have to use long-term. Actually, a Nordstrom SA snagged me right after my flight landed and I was jet-lagged and exhausted. He must've thought I could use some extra help but at the time, all I needed was rest!
However, years later, DMAE (amine type) gives me immediate and noticeable improvement and from what I understand gets even better over time. As it is, my eyelids and neck have shown the most tightening, which is a typical reaction according to a study I read. My cheeks also feel tighter but I can't say there's been as dramatic tightening of my jawline. Some people experience good results from other forms of DMAE but it wasn't until I tried the amine form, and particularly PSF DMAE Gel, that I had any dramatic improvement.
I'd be interested to know how Osmotics works out for others who use it. Is there any improvement worth noting so far? |
It's too soon for me to tell as I've only used it a few times. Another reson I bought the Osmotics cream is to help "heal" my neck. I am doing a revised version of Obagi (mainly hydroquinone and RAM). My neck became slightly blotchy with a few small bumps/welts. The copper has healed my neck nicely and I'm still doing the Obagi. I'm only on week 3 of Obagi but once I get through this (if I can) I plan on using the Osmotics more often.
side note: I used Decleors Neck Lifting Gel (not exact name sorry) for over 6 mos and didn't see any improvement. I must say that I like the gel nonetheless because it smells divine and hydrates very well!! But for lifting and helping fine lines it does nada 
DMAE is on now on my must try list...maybe after the New Year. I have slight reservation though. I tried PSF Firming Facial spray and it made my face itch and turn alittle pink. I often wondered if it was the DMAE in it.  |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:53 pm |
| Lifeplyr01 wrote: |
| DMAE is on now on my must try list...maybe after the New Year. I have slight reservation though. I tried PSF Firming Facial spray and it made my face itch and turn alittle pink. I often wondered if it was the DMAE in it. |
Candy's got samples of hers at http://www.candessence.com/SkinCare.html i'm not saying you must get hers (though i'm loving it!), simply that it's pretty pure and you can get a sample to see if it's the DMAE that you had problems with. |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:58 pm |
| marina wrote: |
| gracedhy wrote: |
The other day when i was in sephora, the SA recommended a product line called swissclinic, basically it can replace surgeries on everything, if you would like a face lift or eye lift.
they gave me some sample for eye serum, i tried and it seems the skin around my eyes are tighted up. i didnt try their face lift because it is too early for me, but you may want to check it out at sephora. |
Tell me more...it dosen't seem to be on the sephora website, but I googled it and, believe it or not, it's sold in my neighborhood pharmacy. Off to research! |
marina all i can tell you is that the lady in sephora tole me you can basically replace surgeries with those products on wherever you want a surgery done. the eye serum is used with an eye pad, it is about one month's supply, and it is good for about half a year for yonger skins, maybe only maintian 3 months for 40+ people, after that you are supposed to reuse the product for another month. If you are close to sephora store, it is worthwhile to pay a visit,a lot of times the website doesnt list everything. |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:01 pm |
| I think the PSF Firming spray also has Neroli extract in it. Some people are sensitive to botanicals so this ingredient may be what caused your problem. I would try a couple of sample sizes of DMAE products and see which one you like. There is also a clean 4% formulation atwww.skincarecentral.biz. I don't think there's any clinical value in increasing the % of DMAE beyond 3 or 4%, but doing so can increase the drying/irritation potential. Just my opinion.... |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:05 pm |
I tried skincarecentral's 4% DMAE but prefer the PSF product. I had some balling-up issues with the former, and also the PSF turned out to be more effective. It's formulated with a higher pH in accordance with a Johnson & Johnson clinical trial which proved DMAE's effectiveness using that particular formulation. The formulation, and not necessarily the % of DMAE, is key. But I'm not saying there isn't an effect with other products and I was wowed myself when I tried the skincarecentral product -- I guess other DMAE products I'd tried in the past were either not formulated in an effective way or else they weren't the amine type.
And, it's important to note that not every user of DMAE will experience benefits to the same degree, or even at all. I guess I'm among the lucky. |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:48 pm |
| I'd def go with Candessence dmae, its the bitrate form and there is absolutely no drying effects to this product as well as NO SMELL. Its a clear watery formula and sinks right in, the prob I have with the gel formulas is the sinking in part, they seem to take FOREVER to absorb right and besides I don't have ten to twenty minutes to kill in the morning or evening layers my products, so I don't do the amine form, one MUST wait ten minutes or its not gonna work. Candy's products go right in and WORK!!! |
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Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:13 pm |
The bitartrate form works too, you just need a concentration of 3x as much as the amine to have the same result. So a 15% bitartrate would give you about 5% amine. Sorry if I'm 'splainin stuff you already know.  |
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