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Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:04 pm  |
| I am using Retin A Micro a few times a week and working my way up. Not sure I will ever be able to handle every night or even every other. What are other things you find helpful to use in conjuction? If I have some acne scarring I assume I have to use TCA and CP or something. What about things like Salycilic Acid, Madelic Acid or other peels like Pumpkin. Are they all duplicating what the Retin A would be doing? I do some light exfoliation and if I feel my face is getting raw at all I stay away from the Retin A for longer. |
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Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:36 pm |
I'd be very wary of using exfoliants alongside Retin A especially if you say your skin couldn't handle daily use. Retin A not only thins the corneal layer but is also irritating to it. Most of us using a retinoid would have to cut back on acids.
I'd suggest barrier healing topicals such as the milder CPs (e.g. Skinbio's CP serum) or Nia-24.
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Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:41 pm |
| thanks. I don't like the thinning idea. Maybe I won't keep it up for long then. It does seem to help with the cystic type little bumps under the skin better than anything else I have found. |
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Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:51 pm |
Sorry, I didn't mean to put you off.
Retinoids are possibly the best topical for anti-aging and acne and it's only the upper-most layer that will be thinner. It gets thicker as we age so maybe thats not so bad as it sounds. Although of course good sun protection becomes an absolute necessity.
It very much plumps the epidermis. Here's a photo.
but it really isn't necessary to use as much exfoliation as you would on skin without retinoids. |
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Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:40 am |
| very interesting. I know my Derm says if your skin can handle it, it is the best for anitaging. Thanks! |
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Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:17 am |
| mommydearest wrote: |
| thanks. I don't like the thinning idea. Maybe I won't keep it up for long then. It does seem to help with the cystic type little bumps under the skin better than anything else I have found. |
I have cystic bumps on my forehead and cheeks and they are the bane of my life  . I have had some success in getting rid of them with lactic acid peels and I have just recently ordered some Retin A to try (haven't received it yet). How long have you been using the Retin A on your bumps - I'm interested in your feedback. |
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Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:42 am |
| Hi - I have used it off and on for a number of years. I have always been a little afraid of using Retin A long term (not sure if there is any reason to be - it is just once years ago when I was younger I thought I thinned my skin too much with it and I got scared but was not sure if it was my imagination or not). All I know is that within a few weeks of using it I start to see improvement. |
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Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:51 pm |
I've been using Retin A nightly for a few months mainly to help with acne so I haven't used it over my entire face. Since then I haven't used thing like pumpkin peels, or the apple one as I did before.
Instead i've been using the Epidermx II nightly and that's more than enough exfoliation for me. I have decided that using any other peels would be overdoing it for me at the moment. |
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Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:21 pm |
I've used retin-a for three years and my skin looks very good. I, also, had a few breakouts but didn't see a change until I started using MMU. Now, I don't have any breakouts-at all!!  |
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Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:49 pm |
| I'm very interested this topic, waiting for more information! |
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Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:32 am |
| Friend's Dad is Doctor and told that Retinol A is effective on skin care and recommended. |
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Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:28 am |
Hi girls, I used retin-A for years on my occasional cystic acne pop-ups. I didn't have bad acne but yes, I am a perfectionist, and those occasional huge, disfiguring cysts made me want to die. Not even 2 courses of Accutane worked(which I wish I hadn't ever done). The retin-a helped the scarring and smoothed my skin, but it never helped the deep cysts under my skin. I suffered for many years.
Anyway, if a doctor prescribed it, I've tried it, and I found something better than retin-A for my acne and anti-age routine (I will be 30 soon). I now use Tazorac religiously each night. It does not have the flushing or peeling side effects that retin-A did for me. I swear I wore high-necked shirts, turtlenecks, and neck scarves for years trying to hide the fact that my face was a different color (RED!) than my neck and the rest of my body (PALE!)from the Retin-A. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents on retin-A! |
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Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:54 am |
I agree with Molly. As a former Retin-A user, usage of other acids is a not a good idea.
IME, it just makes your skin look worse because it looks drier and you could probably harm your skin barrier. If you find you are flaking a lot, decrease usage of Retin-A to maybe once every other day or every 2 days. |
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Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:53 pm |
| Here is another question then. Have any of you used Retin A and decided it was not worth the irritation and that you could find better or just as good results with something else? OR did you feel that it was unfortunate you had to give it up because in the end it gave the best results in certain ways? |
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Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:44 pm |
| I agree with F8I. I tried retin-a and had trouble adjusting to it. After many years, I finally found tazorac and LOVE it. I would not give this product up. |
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Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:40 pm |
| mommydearest wrote: |
| Here is another question then. Have any of you used Retin A and decided it was not worth the irritation and that you could find better or just as good results with something else? OR did you feel that it was unfortunate you had to give it up because in the end it gave the best results in certain ways? |
I didn't experience irritation with Retin A, but felt my skin looked a bit alien; white & waxy. Plus I started to get a bit of hyperpigmentation on my cheeks despite SS. I've since moved on to the Avene retinaldehyde range and am much happier with the results.
Long, current thread here:-
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=18292&start=0 |
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:33 am |
| Molly - wow - this is all pretty overwhelming. Do you think this stuff helps with texture that happens with age or more just acne stuff? I was using a Retinol product by Cosmedix but don't think it does anything and that is when I decided to go back to Retin A. Yours sounds stronger. |
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:34 am |
| mommydearest wrote: |
| Molly - wow - this is all pretty overwhelming. Do you think this stuff helps with texture that happens with age or more just acne stuff? I was using a Retinol product by Cosmedix but don't think it does anything and that is when I decided to go back to Retin A. Yours sounds stronger. |
anti-aging, I'm not an acne sufferer.
Though their Diacneal version is good for that too. |
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:51 pm |
| mommydearest wrote: |
| Here is another question then. Have any of you used Retin A and decided it was not worth the irritation and that you could find better or just as good results with something else? OR did you feel that it was unfortunate you had to give it up because in the end it gave the best results in certain ways? |
I cut back to using it twice a week only and begun using CP on the other days. Works well for me. No more irritation or flaking and they both encourage collagen/elastin production. I also like that CP doesnt thin the skin and strenghtens the skin barrier. The infrequent tretinoin application seems perfect for me to increase cell turn over just enough. I believe its a good combination. |
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:56 pm |
| Hi Monica - which CP do you use? |
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:06 pm |
I have been using Neova, but wanted to try Procyte's Complex Cu3. I just received it yesterday and love it. Its very coppery looking. Its called Complex Cu3 Post Laser Lotion and costs $24/4oz at SkinElite http://www.skinelite.com/complexcu3.html
Its sold to be used after micro dermabrasion or lasor therapy, but I thought why not use this instead of the other more expensive products?
It has to be at least as strong as the Neova cream - actually it looks a bit more purplish to me even. My skin is normal to dry - it may be a bit to rich for oily skin.
I havent tried SkinBio's GHK cream yet - its very pricy at $99/2oz. I dont know if its stronger since there are never any CP amounts given on any product. I think all you can do is judge by its color (as long as there are no artificial colors added as with Neutrogena i think). |
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Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:00 pm |
| I have very fair, and slightly sensitive skin on my face. I was told by my dermatologist that Retin-A or Retin-A products are the only products proven to repair and stave off lines and wrinkles. So What I use is Renova, (just read last night in Health Magazine that Bobby Brown said she owes her youthful looks to Renova.) I use Renova at the 0.05 strength 3x per week--which is what my dermo suggested. I use Glytone AHA 3 times a week also, so I use each product on alternate nights.. I put my copper peptides on in the morning after the DMAE. Anyway, if I were you, I'd try Renova. I got it for $12/tube from MedsMex--the straight Retin A was considerably more expensive, but the pharmaceuticals from Mexico work very well, and for Retin-A and Renova you don't even need a prescription! HTH and good luck! |
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