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Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:00 am  |
I've been thinking of getting some Daisy Facial Glow Serum for skin lightening for ages, but in the back of my mind I wonder if any of these are good for you. They basically all work in the same way
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| Belides™ influences biochemical pathways involved in melanin synthesis by: Inhibition of tyrosinase, transcriptional control of tyrosinase expression, reduction of the pro-melanogenic mediators endothelin and ?-MSH (melanin-stimulating hormon), as well as reduction of melanosome transfer to keratinocytes. |
Considering that no SS is 100%, I am not hiding from the sun anymore and melanin is your skin's own way of protecting itself from UV radiation acting like an anti-oxidant. Will I potentially suffer from more sun damage using this? Any opinions? TIA Molly  |
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Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:52 pm |
Hi Molly!
Yeah, I was concerned too re: all these evil-sounding biological modifiers.  What I have been using for 3 months is **please don't think I'm weird til you read on** sterile Nightingale Droppings from Chidoriyaworld.com. 
The geisha have been using this for, well, as long as there've been geisha for lightening, cleansing off the kabuki/geisha makeup, and prevention of aging and blemishes. The droppings are sterilized and, reportedly, pure and only bleach the skin, apparently. The lightening is very gradual but it does help and gives you a "pearly" finish. You use the light beige-ish granules as a scrub or mask and rinse off afterwards. The odor is rather organic, but not intolerable and it does not linger.
If you are interested, you can email them at: marsato@chidoriyaworld.com. They have been very helpful and they do get back to you promptly.
Incidentally, if you are familiar with the spa in NM called Ten Thousand Waves, a Nightingale Facial is offered to the tune of ~$100, and it's supposedly very popular. The small bottle of powder I got from Chidoriya was only $17, and you only use 1/4tsp at a time.
So how much more "natural" and "organic" can you get than bird poop? Which goes to show what Xtreme lengths some of us will go to for perfect skin!!!  Ssheesh!! |
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Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:48 pm |
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Hi Molly!
Yeah, I was concerned too re: all these evil-sounding biological modifiers. What I have been using for 3 months is **please don't think I'm weird til you read on** sterile Nightingale Droppings from Chidoriyaworld.com.
The geisha have been using this for, well, as long as there've been geisha for lightening, cleansing off the kabuki/geisha makeup, and prevention of aging and blemishes. The droppings are sterilized and, reportedly, pure and only bleach the skin, apparently. The lightening is very gradual but it does help and gives you a "pearly" finish. You use the light beige-ish granules as a scrub or mask and rinse off afterwards. The odor is rather organic, but not intolerable and it does not linger.
If you are interested, you can email them at: marsato@chidoriyaworld.com. They have been very helpful and they do get back to you promptly.
Incidentally, if you are familiar with the spa in NM called Ten Thousand Waves, a Nightingale Facial is offered to the tune of ~$100, and it's supposedly very popular. The small bottle of powder I got from Chidoriya was only $17, and you only use 1/4tsp at a time.
So how much more "natural" and "organic" can you get than bird poop? Which goes to show what Xtreme lengths some of us will go to for perfect skin!!! Ssheesh!! |
Don't laugh, I've tried this too!  I bought it from the same place you did. Unfortunately I couldn't handle the smell..stinky!!! Then reality set in and I couldn't believe I was putting "poop" on my face....gawd what we'll do for a geisha like complexion Hope it works well for you!!
Molly, sorry but I can't answer your question..it's kinda above my head and I don't wanna guess.  Great question though!! |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:13 am |
Thanks for the responses; I don't mind the idea of that kind of 'organic' matter, but I wonder if bleaching is a good for you too and Geisha girls would probably be extremely well-shielded from any UV at all.
On the positive side of tyrosanine inhibition is the fact that this gets mucked up when you're older and can go into overdrive. I wonder if it's a good thing to inhibit?  |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:58 am |
| fawnie wrote: |
Hi Molly!
Yeah, I was concerned too re: all these evil-sounding biological modifiers. What I have been using for 3 months is **please don't think I'm weird til you read on** sterile Nightingale Droppings from Chidoriyaworld.com.
The geisha have been using this for, well, as long as there've been geisha for lightening, cleansing off the kabuki/geisha makeup, and prevention of aging and blemishes. The droppings are sterilized and, reportedly, pure and only bleach the skin, apparently. The lightening is very gradual but it does help and gives you a "pearly" finish. You use the light beige-ish granules as a scrub or mask and rinse off afterwards. The odor is rather organic, but not intolerable and it does not linger.
If you are interested, you can email them at: marsato@chidoriyaworld.com. They have been very helpful and they do get back to you promptly.
Incidentally, if you are familiar with the spa in NM called Ten Thousand Waves, a Nightingale Facial is offered to the tune of ~$100, and it's supposedly very popular. The small bottle of powder I got from Chidoriya was only $17, and you only use 1/4tsp at a time.
So how much more "natural" and "organic" can you get than bird poop? Which goes to show what Xtreme lengths some of us will go to for perfect skin!!! Ssheesh!! |
It's really bird poop? That sounds really gross... |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:21 am |
| I think lumitone HP is ok, made from the white daisy. Its by aloette,they have a website if you google they also have a video on the website that talks about its safe skin lightening properties. |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:04 am |
| As far as I can see Lucyluc that uses the same mechanism because it uses "Bellis Perennis (Daisy) Flower Extract, Alpha-Arbutin" both of which inhibit the production of melanin in the same way as above. I'm not saying that's dangerous, but I am asking is it good for your skin's long-term health considering we all get some UV exposure to turn off that mechanism. |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:12 am |
| I heard from news paper that all the lighten products has plumbum, but just amount of containment is different. |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:43 am |
[quote]: On the positive side of tyrosanine inhibition is the fact that this gets mucked up when you're older and can go into overdrive. I wonder if it's a good thing to inhibit?
Hi Molly - Can you explain this more? I don't understand what you mean. You've obviously researched this so I'm hoping you can spare me the trouble! |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:21 am |
m.april - I think you do know what I mean. Maybe it's just the way I expressed it. Cell/DNA/sun damage leading to hyperpigmentation. This is lifted from the Remergent skincare site.
"The cascade of wounding responses has many effects on skin cells, structures and systems:
Melanocytes are stimulated to make pigment (melanin) in the skin. In youth, for some, the result may be a tan. But during photoaging, the melanocytes lose their strict controls, and uneven pigmentation develops. This appears as light spots where melanocytes have stopped working or as dark brown areas, called age or sun spots, where they make too much melanin."
It's more that it's wonky than in overdrive. |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:26 am |
So is there any way to get those pesky melanocytes to behave?
I'm interested in this topic as I have become somewhat obsessed with hyperpigmentation from a trip to Central America (yes, I used sunscreen, Anthelios 60), and although I did not burn or tan, these spots seemed to come from nowhere when I returned home.
I really want to vanish them but I have heard terrible things about bleaching agents. Also, I know Retin A is sometimes recommended (or some type of retinol) but Retin A can also cause hyperpigmentation!)
There is so much information, but none of it gives any clarity (pun not intended!) to the situation. As an aging baby boomer (my birthday is today!), I would love to find a safe, effective product.
Thanks for bringing this topic up Molly. |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:44 am |
Thanks for the explanation Molly! I guess my melanocytes haven't gone too wonky yet. But I use a lot of l-acorbic acid to essentially bleach [I guess?] my freckles. I think I'll pass on the guano treatment. I don't doubt though that l-ascorbic can be a double-edged sword in that it's photo-protective yet also exfoliates. But I shy away from lightening agents like hydroquinone and kojic acid.
This is a provocative subject and I'll be watching it with interest. I admit I'm too vain to passively let nature take its course but I don't want to do more harm than good. I've also eyed the Daisy Facial Glow Serum for a long time but have instinctively resisted. |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:26 pm |
I thought this was a nice summary and easy read on this subject:
http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic528.htm |
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Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:47 pm |
| try Kose medicated sekkisei lotion |
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Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:34 am |
Thanks for posting joani - I hadn't realised there were some subtle differences in the action of these skin lighteners. I'm looking at kojic with more favourable eyes even though it irritates the hell out of my skin 
And it seriously hadn't occured to me that Vit C is in some way a kind of bleach - not allowing your melanin to get brown. I wonder if that can be such a good thing 
Lots to think about - I haven't examined the bird poop closely yet, but will do. |
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