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Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:17 am  |
Would forum members be so kind to let us (me) know your experience with CP's? Pros and cons would be helpful. I am about to start CP's at the lowest formula. My main concern right now is my eye area and lower neck. My face is starting to show the first signs of lack of elasticity. If CP's can hold off any sagging for a few more years I will be delighted.
I can remember several members talking about the "uglies." Does everyone experience uglies? If so, can this be avoided and how long does it last?
Vit. C is a big part of my skin care routine. I was thinking of using the CP's at night and Vit. C in the AM. From what I understand you can take Vit C internally while using CP's. Do EDS members currently using CP's also use Vit. C?
Any information you can share concerning CP's would be most appreciated.
Thank you,
Winnie |
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:33 am |
Hi Winnie,
When it comes to the neck and the eyes, I would start off with the Super GHK Serum. It is milder and you won't be prone to the uglies as with the second generation cp's. I'd start out very slow and with any sign of irritation...stop use for a couple of days than restart again. |
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:25 am |
I experienced the "uglies" once. It was the first time I upgraded to Super Cop after using Super CP Serum. I wanted to send it back but Dr. Pickart told me that I used too much too soon. He was right. Like Tex, I diluted it with other products (squalane or hylauronic). The 1st generation cp products are for people who can't tolerate his 2nd generation products. He has actually re-introduced his first version which is great for people with extremely sensitive skin. He will tell you himself that the 2nd generation produces superior results for age reversal. But for those who can't use the 2nd generation, some is better than none!
Taking 1,000 mg. of vitamin C daily in conjunction with ANY CP product is what improves skin elasticity so much. Both must be present.
FYI: Dr. Pickart was giving away one of his books with a purchase a while ago and still may be - not positive. It's a good book LOADED with information.
Nanci |
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:28 am |
Nanci, for the people with sensitive skin, would it work for them to start out with the 1st generation and possibly work up to the 2nd generation?
Thanks. |
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:50 am |
Hi Salli,
Not necessarily because I have sensitive skin myself. Everyone's skin is different and will react differently to products. Some people just can't use CP period! But if someone is reluctant, why not start with the weaker version?
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:56 am |
Thanks Nanci.
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:07 am |
okay. back to the question i had on the other thread.... for an eight-inch sugical incision on the arm, what is the best route to go regarding CP's? do you start as slow and as cautiously as on the face or can you be more aggressive?
the original sugery was in august, the second one (where they doubled-back on half of it) was in february, and i've got another one coming (though i'm not sure when). i realise this scar will never be invisible, i just want the skin to be as healthy as it can be.
thank you in advance. |
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:15 am |
| Hi, I sent you a PM. But I'll reiterate - Dr. Pickart's TRIReduction cream is meant for scars - so are Super Cop & Super Cop X2. I would buy his if I were you for that purpose because TriReduction is less expensive. And yes, I would certainly be more aggressive on my arms than on my face! Hope this helps. Nanci |
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:57 am |
| la vie en rose wrote: |
okay. back to the question i had on the other thread.... for an eight-inch sugical incision on the arm, what is the best route to go regarding CP's? do you start as slow and as cautiously as on the face or can you be more aggressive?
the original sugery was in august, the second one (where they doubled-back on half of it) was in february, and i've got another one coming (though i'm not sure when). i realise this scar will never be invisible, i just want the skin to be as healthy as it can be.
thank you in advance. |
I use TriReduction for my scars. It helps but it is a very slow process. |
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:09 am |
| If you use it with an exfoliant, it will work faster. Nanci |
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Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:36 pm |
| NCN wrote: |
| If you use it with an exfoliant, it will work faster. Nanci |
Yes, it depends on the exfoliant. I use it with one, but I can't use a higher percentage because of the sensitivity of my skin. |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:26 am |
| Can I alternate the CP serum with Retin-A ? I have used retin-a, which I love, for the past few years. But now I also want to prevent sagging since I am in my mid 40's. Is this a good idea? Thanks! |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:07 am |
| Absolutely - Dr.'s and estheticians use CP after chemical peels, microdermabrasions & laser treatments because of its anti-inflammatory and healing properties. CP also thickens the skin - as opposed to Retni-A which thins the skin so it's a VERY good idea to use it in conjunction with Retina-A. Let the tightening begin! I WISH I could use Retin-A! Nanci |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:54 am |
| Nanci, thank you very much for your reply! Makes me feel like I am on the right course. |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:14 am |
| Anytime! |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:14 am |
Hi, kids! NCN is right on. A lot of you know I use CPs (still mixing CP serum and Super CP serum 20/80 now) and I've always done exfoliation to speed up the process. I've retired the BHA/AHAs for now as they were much too drying and now, I do regular peels (TCA Complex from Perfect Complexion is mild but effective; I am attacking major cheek scars with a stronger %).
I've used TCA 20% along with Super Cop 2x on my body and it works well but I would caution it is only good for spot treatments (the acid is simply too strong). I would recommend a much milder exfoliant to assist with body scars (Lactid Acid, Glycolic etc. depending on tolerance). I have a lovely DDF Glycolic body lotion that is great for this. Super Cop 2x would definitely be my choice for dealing with body scars, though (be warned - it is very blue). |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:20 am |
I'm planning to start using CPs soon too, Winnie. Although I do currently use the BND Cream on my chest area.
I'd really love for this to work. |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:12 am |
| Winnie wrote: |
I can remember several members talking about the "uglies." Does everyone experience uglies? If so, can this be avoided and how long does it last?
I thought it best to directly respond to your questions since that's what you asked! No, not everyone gets them. I think it is largely due to going to fast with CPs and the best way to avoid them is to take it slowly. I have only twice noticed sagging (another form of uglies) and that was when I got careless with Super Cop 2x during spot treating. It diminished immediately after I backed off. You need to watch your skin, though, so you can see when something new comes up. BTW, uglies refers to sagging or "new" wrinkles that are pushing their way up to then be disgarded. Here is a picture with two sets of comparison pics. The first is of the left side of my face about halfway into when I first started CPs with a second pic taken a few months back. Notice that the lines are quite significant - they did not look like this when I started (you can see this in the first pic of the second set) and then the outcome. The second two pics show before I started CPs and a very recent one - notice definite tightening on the forehead, jawline and neck; overall skin tone looks creamy, bright and has a natural glow now (no makeup in either pic though I am about 8 lbs. heavier in the 2nd). I do use the Quasar SP and regularly exfoliate but absolutely give credit to CPs for the improvement in tightening and assisting with skin tone (my Quasar and Vitamin C also help). The first set is an example of looking worse before it looks better:
Follow a dilution schedule as follows and begin with the weakest formula (CP Serum or the 1st gen products, if you are extremely sensitive or hesitant):
4 drops CP + 4 drops water - now
5 drops CP + 3 drops water - 2 weeks
6 drops CP + 2 drops water - 2 weeks
7 drops CP + 1 drop water - 2 weeks
8 drops CP
Vit. C is a big part of my skin care routine. I was thinking of using the CP's at night and Vit. C in the AM. From what I understand you can take Vit C internally while using CP's. Do EDS members currently using CP's also use Vit. C?
Yes, I agree strongly in the power of Vitamin C and use it in the AM only (you should not use CPs and Vitamin C together and their effects will be cancelled). This also works well, IMO, for the antioxidant benefits that Vit C provides. I also take it internally twice a day in a powdered form along with a few other supplements in a water juice mix.
Any information you can share concerning CP's would be most appreciated.
Thank you,
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:56 am |
Thank you so very much scalawaggirl!!!! I can't begin to tell you how helpful you response was.
I will post how I do over the next few months.
Winnie |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:09 am |
You are so very welcome, Winnie! I feel as though I've actually reversed the aging process. As such, I love, love, love my copper peptides!
ETA: Be sure to take pictures even if it's just for your own benefit. I would never have been able to see the striking changes without them. |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:16 am |
Scally,
I have been mixing the CP serum with the liquid oat BGs (few drops of each in my hand)and applying every morning. My thinking is that the BGs will give an extra push in helping the CPs penetrate the dermis. What do you think? |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:22 am |
| Janna wrote: |
Scally,
I have been mixing the CP serum with the liquid oat BGs (few drops of each in my hand)and applying every morning. My thinking is that the BGs will give an extra push in helping the CPs penetrate the dermis. What do you think? |
Jannis, I personally wouldn't dilute CPs with anything other than water. I know that emu oil is known to push the CPs in, if applied over or, if under, will act as a buffer. With my oat beta glucans, I apply them first and then my Vitamin C as this is supposed to assist with efficacy (read it in a study someone posted on BGs). If mixing BGs (beta glucans), I think they work better along with things like HA, emu or other oil. I have mixed them with sea kelp and HA before. How about first applying your CPs and then putting your BGs over? |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:45 pm |
| Hi, I personally think that it's fine to mix CP (especially the stronger versions when you're first starting out) with BG's, Emu Oil, Squalane (helps "push" other products into the skin), HA, your favorite moisturizer, aloe vera..... Dr. Pickart taught me that himself. And yes, good old water! |
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:51 pm |
| NCN wrote: |
| Hi, I personally think that it's fine to mix CP (especially the stronger versions when you're first starting out) with BG's, Emu Oil, Squalane (helps "push" other products into the skin), HA, your favorite moisturizer, aloe vera..... Dr. Pickart taught me that himself. And yes, good old water! |
That's my point, though. If you mix with something to push it into the skin, it can be too much. The one thing that seems to be prevalent is that people get discouraged due to reactions and I think they should take it slowly. Mixing with water is the only sure way to keep track of how much you're applying and what your skin is reacting to; I didn't mean to give the impression it would hurt anything as it's more a situation where you can end up overwhelming your skin. |
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