Hair color help--Ion color and red gold corrector
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Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:43 am

I am an amateur home self colorist with a natural color of medium to dark brown with some red and copper undertones along with some gray hair (not much, but some is very noticable at my hairline). My hair is long, thick, and coarse with some curl to it.

Until recently I only used temporary, wash out color. Lately I have tried a couple of Loreal boxed colors in medium golden brown, and it all turns out looking medium reddish brown and is a little to dark for me. I have since learned that I am supposed to use a shade lighter than I think I want.

So, I visited Sally's and bought Ion Color Brilliance liquid in light golden brown and some red out color corrector. I followed the directions and applied to the length of the hair first and then to the scalp area (even though this is the opposite of all the color kits I have ever used). The color turned out still a little on the red/coppery side, and the hair from the root to about 2" out was even more so--because it is younger hair I guess? My hair was super soft afterwards, so I do have to recommend this product (assuming I can figure out how to get the color even and right)!

I went back to Sally's and discussed my situation with a staff member, and she recommended the red gold corrector (instead of the red out color corrector). She also recommended applying it to the roots first for about 20 minutes and then combing it through the ends for another 15 minutes.

So, for the experts out there, is this latest set of instructions good? Do you have any other suggestions/recommendations? Thanks in advance for your help. Smile

free skin care · Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:15 am

Her instructions are fine, but I've got to disagree with you about Ion products. About 6 months I went to Sally's to pick my normal Wella stuff. They were out and were running a huge sale on Ion, so I figured I try it. The stuff is crap!

I've never seen permanent color fade the way that stuff does. It went straight in the trash the moment their Wella supply was replenished.

Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:35 am

Katee, please share what your Wella process is (products, timing, etc.). As I said, I am new to permanent coloring, so I can use all the tips/suggestions I can get.

A few other questions...

Is your hair light, dark, gray, etc.?

What do you mean by the color fading? Is that when the gray becomes noticable again? My Ion color has been on for three weeks, and I can see some of the grays again (not just at the root). The Loreal stuff I tried did this, too, so I thought this was normal.

Thanks.

free skin care · Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:13 am

I have dark brown hair that shows alot of red and gold highlights. I use Wella Color Charm Liquid permanent haircolor (that I buy at Sally's) with a 20% cream developer. I color my hair (1) to cover grey, and (2) to cool down the red. I usually do a 50-50 mix of the medium golden brown and a cooler brown. I can't remember the numbers of the stuff I use offhand. I also add a few drops of Grey Magic that I get at Sally's. I can't remember who makes it, but it comes in a tiny little black bottle. When added to your colorant, it really does extend the length of time that your coverage will last.

I started doing my own color because I was tired of spending the time and money to get results that often were not what I wanted (aka the deep burgundy streak that made me look like an overgrown punk rock groupie Laughing

)

I love the results that I get now and I love that I don't have to wait for an appointment, etc. My stylist always compliments me on what a great job I do, but pleads with me to keep my mouth shut, cause s he says I'm bad for business.

P.S. When I said the Ion color faded, I meant just that. The richness dissipated very quickly as did the grey coverage. With the Wella Color Charm, all I ever have to do is touch up my roots...

Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:52 am

Thanks for the tips, Katee. I will have to try the Wella Charm! And I need to get some of that grey magic, too.

I just thought the short-lived gray coverage was typical--now I know that there are better options! I can relate to the results not turning out how you expect. I did have my hair highlighted a few times about 5 years ago, and that was an expensive disaster since my hair turns brassy.

Thanks again!

free skin care · Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:10 pm

katee, I've been in to try & purchase some items from Sallys but some things they won't sell me. I hope someone can share some insight with me...I can't buy items needed for a perm or haircolor. The perm I can understand. The thought of me (or anyone) trying to perm their own hair is frightening. But not to color it. Was it maybe a particular brand I was trying to buy? I'm clueless but it's been quite a while back, maybe things have changed? TIA

free skin care · Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:42 pm

Sounds completely weird debbied. I've never had a problem purchasing anything in Sally's. The only place I've come across that won't sell to you unless you can show a license is Davidson's. It's a shame too, cause they carry a much higher end line of products at a very substantial discount.

Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:16 pm

Hi Everyone
I have never been on this forum before only to another forum which I guess cannot be mentioned. Anyway, you might not be able to purchase certain products at Sally's unless you have the Professional Sally Card. To have this card you need a cosmetology license. So that might be why they would not sell the Wella Color Charm to you. Another thing, I thought in order to eliminate reddish tones you should not go to the golden shades instead the ash tones or neutral tones so it neutralizes the reddish tones in the natural hair. Has to do with the color spectrum. I think you need to go towards the blues in the color spectrum. The color wheel it might be called. I too have med-dark brown and steer away from goldens or else I will have a carrot head. Not the shad I am going for. So I use the ash browns instead. Don't know if Wella offers this. I have used the Professional line of Miss Clairol. I believe Sally's carries this line as well with their 20 creme developer. Very Happy

Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:21 am

Hi Kabston.
I have the exact same problem with the reds coming out when I color. I too have very long hair and am currently using a medium ASH brown to get rid of the red and brassiness. The ash is a green tone and is suppossed to offset the reds. It's working so far. If you find something that works really, really well, please let me know.
Thanks!

Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:34 am

clansing wrote:

Hi Kabston.
I have the exact same problem with the reds coming out when I color. I too have very long hair and am currently using a medium ASH brown to get rid of the red and brassiness. The ash is a green tone and is suppossed to offset the reds. It's working so far. If you find something that works really, really well, please let me know.
Thanks!

Hi there

Is there a particular brand you prefer? I had just got a DVD from the Ion Brilliance collection. Is this forum it appears that was not one that was recommended.

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:18 am

Actually, I'm using Clairol Nice n' Easy Grey Solution. I don't have many greys (yet) but this in an ash brown tones down the red a lot.

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