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Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:03 am

Please - post your best experiences with strong sunscreen under make-up.

Nothing is working - I need help. It is so confusing, Just need recommendations to buy - any price- from anywhere!!

Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:19 am

You can wear sunblock under your make-up, but I advise letting it penetrate for about five minutes before applying your foundation. Otherwise, your foundation will not go on as smoothly.

One to consider: La Roche Posay - Anthelios L SPF 60.

Also, applying a foundation primer OVER your skincare, will ensure a better, smoother application of cosmetics.

Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:29 am

Hi.
Thank you so much for your reply...what is the difference between L and XL with the anthelois?

free skin care · Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:34 am

i like Peter Thomas Roth Ultra-Lite Titanium Dioxide Sunblock SPF30 ... works well for my oily skin under makeup. You can buy it here at EDS.

free skin care · Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:40 pm

An important distinction is that CHEMICAL sunblocks need time to penetrate the skin, whereas PHYSICAL ones do not (and if you rub in a physical sunblock too much you're actually taking away from its effectiveness, as there needs to be enough product to form a barrier on your skin).

I personally am only into physical sunblocks, as I am mildly allergic to many chemical ones, and I believe they are harmful to your skin and can even exacerbate sun damage. Feel free to reply or PM me for why, or you can search in the forums; there's lots of info on that topic.

But here are a few recommendations of sunblocks whose formulations I have enjoyed, and which gave me (very fair skin) good protection:

First, for years I used Clinique Super City Block SPF 25. I don't totally love the formulation, but it was much less greasy and creepy than many others.

Now, I swear by Juice Beauty SPF 30 Tinted Moisturizer. It's a high SPF that doesn't look too chalky or weird on my skin, and it sticks well to the skin, seems to last and protect well, and is all-natural and safe.

Something else to keep in mind is that if you're in Hawaii like your name suggests (or if you're ever in a strong climate that has a lot of sun and makes you sweat your product off), you probably need to reapply during the day. If you find a formula you like and they don't have a travel size you can carry with you, buy travel containers at the drugstore and carry a small amount for reapplication during the day. Your future skin will thank you!

free skin care · Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:05 pm

It would really help to know what you have been using in the past and what your concern is.
on top of my head, I would really prefer shiseido sunscreen for the face. I really like their formula, non-greasy and non-drying. I really like Ultimate Sun Protection Cream SPF 55 PA+++ and Extra Smooth Sun Protection Cream SPF 36 PA+++.
always let the sunscreen to sink in before layering up.

free skin care · Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:46 pm

I used to use the Shiseido Ultimate Lotion SPF55 and really liked using it. It was the first time I had used a sunscreen that I didn't mind wearing as it left such a nice finish. Since then I have been using Sunkiller Clear Water and it has the best finish out of any sunscreen I have used. My skin feels so silky afterwards and it's so easy to apply makeup afterwards. I didn't experience any balling that I experienced with other sunscreens. I also wait at least 15mins after applying sunscreen though to apply my makeup.

Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:40 pm

I have been using the Anthelios sunscreen. IT is too greasy.

I did not there was a difference between chemical and physical SS...???? Any brands carry both. I am interested in a TOTAL block as well as one that looks good under make-up. Thanks for the suggestions. Please post if you know of any that has both...

I think I was fixating on the Mexoryl too much. I notice that the ones suggested, do not have that ingredient in them - and maybe I need to let my old research go......

free skin care · Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:59 pm

I agree the La Roche Posay is great, but I also like the DDF. By the way my Derm has said you really don't need anything over 30.

free skin care · Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:23 pm

i'm recently obsessed with ddf organic sunblock spf30. although i don't use make up, i'm sure make up will go on fine over it since it spreads and goes on easily without any film or greasiness.

free skin care · Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:33 pm

Sofina Perfect UV SPF 50 or Sunkiller Skintone SPF 50 are both good under makeup... Sofina for oily skin and sunkiller for dry skin.

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:30 am

Lisey wrote:

Sofina Perfect UV SPF 50 or Sunkiller Skintone SPF 50 are both good under makeup... Sofina for oily skin and sunkiller for dry skin.

I use Sofina Nuance Sunscreen and absolutely love it - but I do have dry skin. In what way is the Sunkiller different from the Sofina? Because if its greasy then I don't want it, but if its similar to the Sofina then I'll give it a try. Is the Sunkiller the same consistency as the Sofina. TIA

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:45 am

ginnielizz wrote:

An important distinction is that CHEMICAL sunblocks need time to penetrate the skin, whereas PHYSICAL ones do not (and if you rub in a physical sunblock too much you're actually taking away from its effectiveness, as there needs to be enough product to form a barrier on your skin).

I personally am only into physical sunblocks, as I am mildly allergic to many chemical ones, and I believe they are harmful to your skin and can even exacerbate sun damage.

How so? I think to say they actually harm you and exacerbate damage is a bit of an exaggeration. Smile

It's far wiser to wear a chemical sunscreen than nothing at all.

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:10 am

hiawaigirl

To get the best answer to your questions. We need information about you. My skin may be quite different from yours so my experience with different s/s would not apply to you.

Helpful information would be: skin color IE: fair (Irish-German) med or dark. Oily, dry or normal. What types of s/s have you used and what were your experiences. Info. like that is what is needed to help you.

BTW. Typing in all caps is considered yelling and very rude. Wink

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:20 am

Sorry, Just re-read my subject line - won't do it again...see that is is rude. I am just desperate..

I am 35, fair skinned - although, when I use to tan, I tanned easily. Combo skin sometimes on the dry side. Except when I am using Retin- A types of creams. Typical oily T-zone.

I have been using the Anthelios 50+ cream. It is a bit too oily and my face always shines. It makes me not want to re-apply (which I know is needed) I got fixated on it because it has the Mexoryl in it, and it wasn't approved in the US until last year, so I thought it was the best....

I have also used the Neutrongena dry touch formulas (which were great) but even after re-applying it, I still got some sun.

Just looking for the best/strongest sunscreen that would look good under make-up without the oily look.

I am an event planner and I work a lot outside. I know I may be looking for two items - First I am looking for a Total sunscreen that was not so shiny (but not to dry as well) If this "ultimate" formula wasn't compatible for under make-up, but I knew it was the strongest - That would be fine... I would know I have the best coverage. I would be interested in knowing a brand/s. Total protection is most important to me.

Secondly (and ideally), an perfect recommendation would be a brand with the most protection on the market, that goes on under make-up really smoothly.

Thanks to everyone for reading and posting, I am at my wits end.....I really appreciate it.

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:25 am

I'm currently loving Soltan Face Anti-Aging Sun Defence Cream 50+ from Boots, but my skin is dry.

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:44 am

violetanne wrote:

How so? I think to say they actually harm you and exacerbate damage is a bit of an exaggeration. Smile

It's far wiser to wear a chemical sunscreen than nothing at all.

Hi Violetanne, I totally agree that some protection is better than none, but here's my issue with chemical sunscreens: A lot of the medical studies done with some of the "lower-end" chemical sunscreens, i.e. the ones readily available in the US, indicated that they actually made melanoma worse in lab rats with prolonged exposure.

If you take a look at the EDS guidelines on different types of sunblock, they make clear that the chemicals in modern European chemical sunblocks are much safer than the initial round of chemical sunblocks, but these new chemicals are still only available through international distributors like EDS (thanks a lot, FDA! And for what it's worth, I'm a big fan of waiting a few years before a new chemical gets approved, to make sure it REALLY is safe, because I'm the paranoid sort with that stuff). Most American chemical sunblocks, like octyl methoxycinnamate, were shown to be pretty sketchy, plus a lot of people have allergic/sensitivity reactions to them (myself included!).

However, I also think that like with many lab tests, these results should probably be taken with a grain of salt (just like FDA approvals, haha) - one study I read bombarded white lab rats that had been shaved and coated in chemical sunblocks with UV rays for prolonged periods of time (like several days) and only then found exacerbated melanoma growth - obviously, this is a scenario that few humans would ever find themselves in. However, she IS in Hawaii! Wink

But at the end of the day I do agree that an imperfect sunblock is much better than none at all, I just wanted to clarify that the way you apply physical and chemical are different. Chemicals do need time to "soak in" and these screens benefit from being rubbed in well, whereas with physical sunblock, too much rubbing actually removes the protection you need. So whatever you wind up going with, make sure to apply correctly (and generously either way!).

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:12 pm

ginnielizz wrote:

violetanne wrote:

How so? I think to say they actually harm you and exacerbate damage is a bit of an exaggeration. Smile

It's far wiser to wear a chemical sunscreen than nothing at all.

Hi Violetanne, I totally agree that some protection is better than none, but here's my issue with chemical sunscreens: A lot of the medical studies done with some of the "lower-end" chemical sunscreens, i.e. the ones readily available in the US, indicated that they actually made melanoma worse in lab rats with prolonged exposure.

If you take a look at the EDS guidelines on different types of sunblock, they make clear that the chemicals in modern European chemical sunblocks are much safer than the initial round of chemical sunblocks, but these new chemicals are still only available through international distributors like EDS (thanks a lot, FDA! And for what it's worth, I'm a big fan of waiting a few years before a new chemical gets approved, to make sure it REALLY is safe, because I'm the paranoid sort with that stuff). Most American chemical sunblocks, like octyl methoxycinnamate, were shown to be pretty sketchy, plus a lot of people have allergic/sensitivity reactions to them (myself included!).

However, I also think that like with many lab tests, these results should probably be taken with a grain of salt (just like FDA approvals, haha) - one study I read bombarded white lab rats that had been shaved and coated in chemical sunblocks with UV rays for prolonged periods of time (like several days) and only then found exacerbated melanoma growth - obviously, this is a scenario that few humans would ever find themselves in. However, she IS in Hawaii! Wink

But at the end of the day I do agree that an imperfect sunblock is much better than none at all, I just wanted to clarify that the way you apply physical and chemical are different. Chemicals do need time to "soak in" and these screens benefit from being rubbed in well, whereas with physical sunblock, too much rubbing actually removes the protection you need. So whatever you wind up going with, make sure to apply correctly (and generously either way!).

Yes, personally, I don't think it's very wise to take this lightly:

Quote:

Some individuals can have mild to moderate allergic reactions to certain ingredients in sunscreen, particularly the chemical benzophenone, which is also known as phenyl ketone, diphenyl ketone, or benzoylbenzene. It is not clear how much of benzophenone is absorbed into the bloodstream, but trace amounts can be found in urinalysis after use.

Recently, there has been increased attention to the possibility of adverse health effects associated with the synthetic compounds in most sunscreens.[10] A study published in April 1992, entitled "Could sunscreens increase melanoma risk?" reported that the greatest increase in melanoma has occurred in those regions where sunscreen use is most prevalent.[11] Although one might believe that this effect is due to sunscreens being used more in regions where people are more exposed to UV light, this is not what is claimed by this study: Melanome incidence correlates strongly with the use of chemical sunscreens independently of the actual UV exposure.[12]

Recent studies found that some sunscreens generate harmful compounds that promote skin cancer. The three commonly used ultraviolet (UV) filters -- octylmethoxycinnamate, benzophenone 3 and octocrylene -- eventually soak into the deeper layers of the skin after their application, leaving the top skin layers vulnerable to sun damage. UV rays absorbed by the skin can generate harmful compounds called reactive oxygen species (ROS), which can cause skin cancer and premature aging. The researchers found that once the filters in sunscreen soak into the lower layers of skin, the filters react with UV light to create more damaging ROS.[3] To reduce ROS generation and damage, the researchers recommend reapplying the sunscreen often, which will replenish the sunscreen which has penetrated the skin. Future possibilities may include the development of sunscreens which stay at the surface of the skin, or mixing sunscreens with antioxidants that can neutralize ROS.[13]

from wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunscreen#Possible_adverse_effects

--avalange

ETA: Moral of the story: make sure you are using the right chemicals before you let them soak in to your skin!

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:51 pm

Sel or anyone else- where can I buy sunkiller sunscreen-clear water? Thanks.

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:05 pm

I'm in the UK, so you cannot buy any of the Sunkiller Sunscreens here. I've bought all of mine off of Ebay without any problems. There usually is at least one seller selling them so I stock up when I see them listed.

free skin care · Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:41 pm

Keliu wrote:

Lisey wrote:

Sofina Perfect UV SPF 50 or Sunkiller Skintone SPF 50 are both good under makeup... Sofina for oily skin and sunkiller for dry skin.

I use Sofina Nuance Sunscreen and absolutely love it - but I do have dry skin. In what way is the Sunkiller different from the Sofina? Because if its greasy then I don't want it, but if its similar to the Sofina then I'll give it a try. Is the Sunkiller the same consistency as the Sofina. TIA

I too am using Sofina white prodect and I absolutely love it. I just ordered Nuance up, hope this one works well too.

Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:11 pm

hawaiigirlnola wrote:

Please - post your best experiences with strong sunscreen under make-up.

Nothing is working - I need help. It is so confusing, Just need recommendations to buy - any price- from anywhere!!

I really like the Dermalogica sun care line. They have tinted or untinted, and it's not too harsh for your face. It is a tad pricey though. About $35+ for a tube. I prefer the tinted one if Im going to the beach or a casual event outdoors because it offers good coverage and gives a nice glow. Comes in SPF 25.

free skin care · Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:47 am

For normal day, i use DiorSnow SPF35+++. It is great and easy to blend. But i think it is not enough for Outdoor activity, so i use Shiseido SPF50+++.

free skin care · Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:04 am

Quote:

Yes, personally, I don't think it's very wise to take this lightly:

Quote:

Some individuals can have mild to moderate allergic reactions to certain ingredients in sunscreen, particularly the chemical benzophenone, which is also known as phenyl ketone, diphenyl ketone, or benzoylbenzene. It is not clear how much of benzophenone is absorbed into the bloodstream, but trace amounts can be found in urinalysis after use.

Recently, there has been increased attention to the possibility of adverse health effects associated with the synthetic compounds in most sunscreens.[10] A study published in April 1992, entitled "Could sunscreens increase melanoma risk?" reported that the greatest increase in melanoma has occurred in those regions where sunscreen use is most prevalent.[11] Although one might believe that this effect is due to sunscreens being used more in regions where people are more exposed to UV light, this is not what is claimed by this study: Melanome incidence correlates strongly with the use of chemical sunscreens independently of the actual UV exposure.[12]

Recent studies found that some sunscreens generate harmful compounds that promote skin cancer. The three commonly used ultraviolet (UV) filters -- octylmethoxycinnamate, benzophenone 3 and octocrylene -- eventually soak into the deeper layers of the skin after their application, leaving the top skin layers vulnerable to sun damage. UV rays absorbed by the skin can generate harmful compounds called reactive oxygen species (ROS), which can cause skin cancer and premature aging. The researchers found that once the filters in sunscreen soak into the lower layers of skin, the filters react with UV light to create more damaging ROS.[3] To reduce ROS generation and damage, the researchers recommend reapplying the sunscreen often, which will replenish the sunscreen which has penetrated the skin. Future possibilities may include the development of sunscreens which stay at the surface of the skin, or mixing sunscreens with antioxidants that can neutralize ROS.[13]

from wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunscreen#Possible_adverse_effects

--avalange

ETA: Moral of the story: make sure you are using the right chemicals before you let them soak in to your skin!

In addition to studies like this, I'm just cautious in general about new chemicals of any kind that get approved for skincare use (and food use, and drug use...) I think the FDA often approves too broadly and often too narrowly, but rarely are the right interests behind their decisions. I had no idea about the class action lawsuit that avalange referenced in this thread: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=294717#294717 but I've looked into physical and chemical sunscreens pretty extensively, and the latter have a lot more potential hazard warnings and studies than the former. The one thing you need to be careful about with physical sunscreens is that, in powder form, they can be toxic if inhaled - so I'm not sure how it is that Colorescience (http://www.essentialdayspa.com/colorescience-mineral-makeup.htm) makes these powder blocks in a tube that I've seen, because breathing in the powder form of these minerals DOES pose a health risk, as far as I've read and researched. I think the main thing it to just be vigilant - but also, of course, balanced - after all, if we lived in fear of every chemical out there, we'd all be cave-dwelling hermits (afraid of the natural rock dust inside our homes, probably). Smile

free skin care · Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:16 am

I would say try Neutrogena ultra sheer with Helioplex spf 55. It's very light, and non-greasy at all, and cost under $10. Even if it does not work for you, it won't cost you a fortune. You can still use it on your hand, arm and body.

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