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Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:07 pm  |
The one thing about Nordstrom's is they have a fabulous return policy if it doesn't work. I returned my faulty Clarisonic unit when it quit 6 months later and they gave me a full refund, no hassle. I was just requesting the service dept. to have it repaired!
If you try it out let us know. (Or if anyone has a Quasar and wants to do a side by side test for comparison.) |
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:13 pm |
I hope/expect these things continue to go down in price.
It appears that they are just different colored LEDs? You can get 100 count infrared, red, blue LEDs of different wave lenghts on ebay for $10. I'm not suggesting to go out and DIY one, although I'm sure it could be done. I just like to know what I'm paying (I'm a poor college student/Husand, who makes DIY electronics, couldn't believe I wanted to pay that much money for one). I knew about the LEDs on Ebay because we would like to use LED lighting for the house we would like to build one day(they last forever and use very little energy).
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like it couldn't cost more than $5 to produce one of these. That's why I hope the prices will keep getting better. |
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:46 pm |
So there's supposedly one for each problem type (acne, hyperpigmentation and wrinkles) at $225.00 apiece, right? If I'm correct, and if I wanted to address all three issues, I'd have to buy one of each for a total of $675.00. Or, am I reading something incorrectly on the website? They also appear to be made of plastic or something similar each with a different colored lens.
My BQ has three settings and addresses all three issues, for which I paid $449.00 (incl. shipping). My BQ is chrome and quite weighty (read durable). And it comes with it's own extremely sturdy carrying case.
I'm truly not trying to be argumentative but this one doesn't seem anywhere near as well-made nor much of a bargain even at half the price.
jmho
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:59 pm |
The Quasars use a special sequencing they call sequi-pulse. Or maybe seque-pulse. And 4 wavelengths of light. These Nordstrom units don't seem to have any sophisticated pulsing.
The best visible light for acne is supposedly blue or green. The quasar people also sell a separate blue device. I have wondered if indigo or violet might be better than blue, given the effectiveness of ultra-violet -- and if perhaps the choice of blue is because violet is too close to UV? I don't know.
These units in the link would cost considerably more than $5 to make at home.
BUT:
I have some links at my other computer to alternate sources for LED bulbs to experiment with (including multi-LED bulbs) -- and some claims on what the different wavelengths do, and spectroscopy in general. I'll try to post them tonight. |
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:11 pm |
| If anyone is considering purchasing one of these another thing to consider is the nanometers of the wavelengths. I know that the BQ and the DPL wavelengths are approximately 660-880 nanometers. Just something to be aware of. |
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:13 pm |
| salli, I think the DPL range (2 separate frequencies) is slightly narrower than the baby Q's (4 separate frequencies). |
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:21 pm |
| could be |
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:13 pm |
Arielle saved me the trouble of typing out what I was thinking.
Thank you, darlin'!  |
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:21 am |
Arielle:
Touché. But we have to expect that where there is an opportunity to make big $$$ by producing something cheaper, less effective on the whole, less durable, colourful (read 'pretty'), and which appeals to a wider market, it will appear, usually under a large scale marketing arm. Some might even say that most of the skin care products on the market fall into this category.
Isn't this capitalism... the good, bad & ugliness of it. Caveat emptor. |
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:49 am |
| arya2 wrote: |
Arielle:
Touché. But we have to expect that where there is an opportunity to make big $$$ by producing something cheaper, less effective on the whole, less durable, colourful (read 'pretty'), and which appeals to a wider market, it will appear, usually under a large scale marketing arm. Some might even say that most of the skin care products on the market fall into this category.
Isn't this capitalism... the good, bad & ugliness of it. Caveat emptor. |
Absolutely. You see, I only posted because I didn't want anyone to think they are getting a product comparable to the BQ for that much less money or, in the final analysis, to judge the performance of the BQ based on the performance of that or any of the others mentioned. $225.00 is still quite an investment to some of us and, to me, purchasing one of these others is like entering a Kia at the Indy500 and expecting to win! It's not realistic. It also wouldn't be very nice of me to just let someone who can't really afford it to throw their hard-earned money away without saying something.
And, as for skin care products in general, getting involved in DIY has educated me to the point that I can read the list of ingredients on widely-touted "miracle creams", find the actives (and their placement in the list) and know whether the products have any value at all or not.
Simply and paraphrased--I believe an informed consumer is a happier consumer.
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:23 am |
Ari:
Right on, on every point you make. 
One of the greatest services this forum provides....an opportunity to educate ourselves & learn from others, all in a non confrontational environment.
Why it's a miracle in this 21st C, so full of over reaction, strife and conflict. Cheers to ya! |
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Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:45 pm |
| I was reading one of the magazine and it mention a pimple zapper by dermastyle. It's slim and pen like, has the red and blue light. Cost is $149 and their website iswww.lumiport.com But seems like they are updating this version to something better. There was a demonstration on this site from cnn on using this. |
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:58 am |
No doubt there will be many gizmos hitting the market that use some variation of light technology. We just need to look at the blossoming of technology & its trickle down to consumers after the moon landing. And with skin care being such a huge $$$B business, we'll probably see lots of innovations in light technology at more reasonable prices in the future.
I'd just like to assure myself that whatever is developed doesn't repeat what I've found with my old hand blender. Not as pretty, colourful or sexy looking as the newer models, but a hellofa lot more powerful, durable & effective.
Cheers |
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:34 am |
http://www.elixa.com/light/arrays.htm
http://www.trulyled.com/
http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/Spectrpy/UV-Vis/spectrum.htm
Here are some of the links I promised.
I might have another one somewhere with some claims about what wavelength/color is for what therapeutic purpose.
I also remember reading an abstract that claimed or implied that green light was as good for acne as blue.
The first link is a business that can custom-tailor lightboxes (very small). They like to present a more full approach to health matters than just the light, though.
The second one is an inexpensive source of large LED lightbulbs in red, blue, or green.
There are also lightboxes for acne made by verilux or naturebright -- you can see them on amazon. If you use a naturebright lightbox for SAD, you can refashion it off-season for skincare if you order the colored bulbs from them.
I don't know if any of this is effective! I intend to try some of it eventually. I have not purchased anything from the business I linked to (yet). |
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:59 pm |
I have the blue and red quasar and love it but it doesn't come in green so I was weak and ordered the Marvel-mini. I have some hyperpigmentation from a laser treatment that can't seem to budge so I'm desperate. I clicked on the magnified pic on the Nordstorm's site and saw that the manufacturer is Cobble SF.
http://www.cobblesf.com/en/en_estheticsyst_mar_mini.php
Shipping to Canada is an extra $50 so i just got it mailed to a friend. The website gives more details than the Nordstorm's site. |
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Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:04 pm |
They also have a product called Synergy 4 that makes me think of the UP5 or other galvanic type machine that looks very interesting. I already bought a Face Mate but this looks like an alternative.
http://www.cobblesf.com/en/en_estheticsyst_sy_4.php |
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:00 am |
| angelina wrote: |
| I have the blue and red quasar and love it but it doesn't come in green so I was weak and ordered the Marvel-mini. |
Angelina,
do you use blue light for acne? What kind of results have you seen from it?
I'd appreciate any comments you could share.
Thx, R. |
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:00 pm |
| If I notice clogged pores or a zit starting to form, i'll use the blue light to prevent a full blown outbreak. That way, I get no new scars. I don't use it all the time- just when something feel like the beginning of a zit. |
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:38 pm |
| angelina wrote: |
| If I notice clogged pores or a zit starting to form, i'll use the blue light to prevent a full blown outbreak. That way, I get no new scars. I don't use it all the time- just when something feel like the beginning of a zit. |
angelina,
so this actually works with healing and preventing zits that forms? i went to nordstrom and saw the mini-marvel and wasn't sure if this would be a good investment. |
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:49 pm |
I have the Quasar in blue, not the mini-marvel (I ordered a green one but it did not arrive yet) On Quasar's site, it claims that the blue light works by controlling bacteria and release of sebum.
http://www.cosmeticlight.com/quasarblue.htm I also know that doctor's use some sort of blue light for acne. I'm not an LED researcher but I used the blue light, along with some other products and devices and I've not had any incidents with fully developed acne since. I can't say what percentage it helped, but I trust that it did good. |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:13 pm |
| Thank you so much. I think I may try this until I save up enough for the Quasar SP. The seller has a good rating. |
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