Poisoned liver with Omega and Vitamines???
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free skin care · Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:58 pm

Hello,
I have one of my post a few months ago about tiredness and lack of sleep problem due to busy life. I even went to a doctor for that reason.
The advice I got was to take some supplements and vitamins that I already was taken. My regime was: omega3 (fish oil), centrum vitamins, two weeks of vitamin B100 complex (then I didn't take it for at least one month). The doctor is also suggested to increase intake of vitamin A and E. I did this regime for about 5-6 months, as doctor suggested, but I didn't take centrum with vitamins A, B, E together. I took either centrum for a month and then the other vitamins for a two weeks.
As a result, I believe that something happened to my liver, because I have frequent pain in the liver and also, I can't eat anything that has vegetable oil, chicken, any type of bird meet. If I eat a little chicken meet I will feel nauseous and eventually food will not stay in my stomach. I went to the same doctor and he said it is impossible to have this reaction as a result of supplements. I don't know what to do and how to clean my liver. One of my friend asked her mother, she is from China and she said that those vitamins could pollute the liver and that is why I feel sick all the time. I am going to Europe in a few weeks, and I will see a specialist there, but until then I don't know what to do. It is getting worse every day. The only thing I can eat is bread.
Did someone had a similar problem?

free skin care · Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:51 am

Im sorry you're experiencing this...but I have read and seen on various health programmes on Chinese channels and from my mother that taking too many supplements can be toxic and it DOES build up and damage your liver.

I read somewhere that taking too many cod liver oil supplements are especially bad for you too, but I cant verify if it is true as I cannot remember the source of information.

And there cetain herbal supplements that contain certain ingredients/extract, so be careful!

Saying that, I do take MSM 1000mg and cod liver oil (which has omega 3, vit a, vit d) 550mg but I dont take them both together. I take the MSM weekdays and cod liver oil weekends.

free skin care · Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:27 am

My doctor told me not to take cod liver oil and Vitamin A at the same time.
This is because cod liver oil is already rich in Vitamin A.
Too much Vitamin A is bad for the liver.
HTH

free skin care · Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:16 am

Go to Amazon.com or your local book store and buy a copy of the book entitled, "The Right Dose".

http://www.amazon.com/Right-Dose-Vitamins-Minerals-Safely/dp/0878576789

Since Sandy and I take a LOT of supplements when we get ready for bodybuilding shows, I began to worry when I noticed that a lot of these supplements also throw in more vitamins and minerals for whatever reason. Put all of these together and I notice that we were getting whopping doses of some. This book points out, and rightly so, that very large doses of some vitamins and minerals can be a poison to the system, and even in some rare cases, can be fatal. So watch out about "overload" for sure.

John

free skin care · Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:18 am

Thank you everyone for replying! I stopped taking all supplements as soon as I started to feel sick. The problem now is to find a way how to clean my liver. One of the recipe that I have is not suitable for me, because I just simply can't do it: you have to take two egg yolks, eat it first thing in the morning and then put something warm over a liver for half an hour. This will make liver to work and clean itself. There is no way that I will eat egg yolks, it is just too unpleasant. I will search for more recipes.

Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:58 am

Liver Problems

Symptoms

While the heart pumps and the kidneys regulate and eliminate, the liver functions as a highly complex biochemical laboratory. This vital organ is able to transform nutrients absorbed from foods we eat into substances usable to the body. These include a multitude of enzymes, blood-clotting substances, vitamins and proteins necessary for immune function. The liver is also responsible for breaking down and detoxifying harmful metabolic by-products, hormones and toxins, which are then eliminated via the *gall-bladder or the kidneys. Typical symptoms that suggest liver problems are *jaundice, pale and greasy stools, and discomfort or *pain under the right rib cage. Digestive complaints accompany most liver problems, resulting in *appetite loss, *nausea, bloating or *vomiting of bitter bile. Sometimes the skin itches all over from the effects of bile in the bloodstream.

A fatty and sluggish liver produces very mild digestive symptoms that can pass unnoticed. Difficulty digesting fatty or fried foods often indicates a liver or gall-bladder problem. Hormonal problems such as *PMS and *morning sickness during *pregnancy suggest the liver is not detoxifying quickly enough. Unfortunately, the most serious of liver diseases, *cirrhosis, does not have many obvious symptoms. It is often not recognized until the condition is severe. The liver has an incredible capacity for healing and rejuvenating if the circumstances allow. It continues to function adequately at half its capacity, with only mild outward symptoms.

Causes

The liver is overloaded today with toxic by-products. Virtually all the junk foods, pesticides, hormones and medications we consume today create excess work for the liver. Most packaged and processed foods are filled with artificial substances which are hard on the digestive tract. Fatty deposits impair the liver’s ability to function optimally, and are often caused by the overconsumption of alcohol, or too much food rich in saturated fats and simple sugars but low in fiber. This includes white-flour products, white rice and pasta. Saturated fats should not be confused with the essential fatty acids found in cold-pressed oils like flax seed oil so necessary to many body processes, including the release of bile.

Inadequate bile flow due to gall-bladder problems affects the liver, since the liver manufactures bile. *Hepatitis, an inflammation of the liver caused by infection or poisonous substances, produces a complex of symptoms typical of liver problems. The formation of gallstones is also directly related to diet. *Stress and anger have detrimental effects on the liver and gall-bladder. Poor eating habits, such as eating too hastily and overfilling the stomach, also take their toll. Weighing more than a few extra pounds is also very unhealthy for the liver. Liver disease can affect people of all ages and from all walks of life.

Nutrition

The treatment of liver problems requires a radical change in the diet. The regular consumption of saturated fats in beef and pork, and of trans-fatty acids in margarine, shortening, processed foods and junk foods, constitutes constant abuse of the liver. Eliminate these fats from the diet. The essential fatty acids found in nuts and seeds are needed by the body for proper fat metabolism and liver function, so use cold-pressed, unrefined flax seed, walnut or pumpkin seed oil daily.

Eliminate all white-sugar, white-flour, refined and fried foods. Instead, eat a natural, wholefoods, predominantly vegetarian diet composed largely of fresh raw vegetables and fruits, whole grains, nuts and seeds. Beans, peas, potatoes, brown rice and tofu are good vegetable sources of protein. This diet provides the fiber and enzymes, vitamins and other nutrients needed for the liver’s detoxifying and metabolic activity. Soy beans and soy bean products like tofu are particularly valuable since they contain essential fatty acids and lecithin, which acts as an emulsifying agent and prevents fatty deposits in the liver.

Foods which provide water-soluble fiber, such as apples and rolled oats, are particularly beneficial for the liver because they stimulate bile secretion. Sulphur-containing foods such as turnips, onions and garlic have a cleansing effect on the liver.

Artichokes are natural liver tonics. The bitter substance cynarin that they contain stimulates bile flow. Add fresh artichokes to meals or drink two tablespoons of artichoke juice in water three times daily. Rhubarb also has a stimulating effect on the liver due to substances called anthrachinones, which act on the large intestine and trigger increased bile flow. Another choleretic, or bile-flow stimulating substance, is curcumin which is found in the seasoning turmeric. Black radish, Chinese white radish and red radish should be eaten regularly as they also promote bile flow.

A common quick remedy to stimulate a sluggish liver is a drink of 1 tsp. apple cider or rice vinegar mixed with one teaspoon of honey in a glass of water. Lemon or grapefruit can be used in place of the vinegar.

Nutritional Supplements

Supplements support the liver in its detoxifying function. Lipotropic factors are supplements which prevent fatty substances from being deposited in the liver and help with their removal. Phosphatidylcholine, inositol and methionine are often found in combination as lipotropic factors. Choline and inositol are B vitamins and, with the amino acid methionine, are needed for lecithin metabolism in the body. Lecithin is necessary for the breakdown of fatty substances and protects the liver from fat deposits.

B vitamins also support the liver’s function, including folic acid and B12. Injections of the B vitamins may be dramatically effective in some cases where energy levels have been severely impaired. Many patients can learn to give themselves regular injections until the liver has had a chance to repair and rebuild itself.

Chlorophyll in green food supplements cleanses and rebuilds tissues. Spirulina and wheatgrass or barley grass are excellent supplements. Spirulina is milder in its detoxifying action and will be more useful for those with a less vigorous constitution.

Coenzyme Q10 and cysteine also help most liver disorders.

Daily dosages:

Lipotropic factors, as recommended on the label
• Vitamin B complex, 100 mg
• Spirulina, wheatgrass or barley grass, 1 tbsp.
• Folic acid or B12, 1 mg of each or by injection
• Coenzyme Q10, 100 mg
• L-cysteine, 50 mg

Herbal Remedies

Herbs are excellent for stimulating and regenerating the liver, and assisting in its manufacture of bile for digesting fats. They also prevent *constipation, cleanse the blood and supply nutrients to the bloodstream. The liver is rightly named "king of the glands." It is the largest organ in the body, and has about one-quarter of all the blood in the body circulating through it at all times.

• Drink 1 cup of sage tea. Boil leaves for three minutes, and sip slowly three times daily.

• Drink 1 cup of dandelion tea three times daily for one week to stimulate liver function and promote bile flow.

• Drink one cup of milk thistle or sage tea three times daily for three weeks. Milk thistle is an antioxidant and prevents free-radical damage in the liver.

• Prepare an infusion with 8 tbsp. of hayseed to 1 qt. of boiling water, or 20 drops of hayseed extract in 1 qt. of hot water, steep for ten minutes and strain. Dip a cotton towel in this infusion. Wring out and place hot towel on upper stomach. Wrap a dry wool shawl around it.

Homeopathy

See related conditions such as cirrhosis, hepatitis and jaundice. Consult an experienced homeopath for more extensive treatment.

Tissue Salts

Pay extra attention to diet when healing liver problems. Take 4 tablets four times daily under the tongue, or every two hours if the problem is acute.

Nat sulph is a primary tissue salt for liver problems involving too much bile. A bitter taste in the mouth, a greenish coating on the tongue and green-tinged stools are signs. Nat sulph can also help remedy jaundice and vomiting of bile. Stools are typically loose.

Kali mur is useful when the liver is sluggish and there is lack of bile. Oily, rich foods cause indigestion. The stools tend to be light colored; the tongue is coated with a light gray coating. Kali mur also helps jaundice.

Nat phos will help liver conditions and jaundice linked to overacidity and sour vomiting. There may be just a sour taste in the mouth and green-colored diarrhea. *Colics can also be remedied with Nat phos, when this sourness and overacidity is present.

External/Physical Therapies

Several times a day, relax and sit down and rub both palms firmly together, especially the balls of the thumbs. Have somebody else scratch your back and intensively massage along spine to stimulate the liver to increase activity.

Excerpt from Alive Magazine article
http://www.alive.com/2844a9a2.php?subject_bread_cramb=152

free skin care · Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:41 pm

Dear Lara1,
I have also heard that Vit A can be toxic.
But what worries more is that your symptoms of very tired and sick with liver pain was exactly what I was feeling before I was diagnosed with Hepatitis C.in 2004.
Please dont panic,but it would be a good idea to have a blood test done.
I was able to take the Pegasys/Interferon treatment and have been virus free for 2 years.
I pray for you that it is a temporary and reversible condition.

free skin care · Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:18 pm

Laral,

Sorry to hear that you're not feeling very well. Perhaps going to the doctor and getting your liver enzymes checked would be ideal. I would get the advice of a qualified physician before doing some type of liver detox. I hope you find answers soon!! Very Happy

free skin care · Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:54 pm

Lots of wonderful and logical advice from Havana8! Our bodies all utilize and react to nutrients and toxins so differently, and someone does a study that says something like Omega oil is good for us, so suddenly it must be good for everyone. My body has a negative reaction to Omega oil. I feel lethargic all day after I take just one caplet, and I burp fish oil for at least 12 hours. I read that you can freeze them, and they won't come back up on you, but it doesn't work for me at all, and I still feel draggy when I take it, so I don't take it.

Concentrate first of all on your diet, particularly eliminating refined sugars, white flour, all alcohol and, caffeine. You'll be surprised how quickly you won't want them. One of the healthiest diets out there is called "The Maker's Diet". It probably saved my life (long story, and we're talking about you now). You can buy the book in just about any bookstore and Amazon.com, or on The Maker's Diet website.
Good luck.

free skin care · Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:57 pm

Havana gave you good advice. If you overload on fat soluble vitamins (A,E,D) you can cause harm. The water solubles (B esp) are hard to overdose on. Also unless you are getting your fish oil from a disreputable source it is good for you. Omega 3s are good for every organ of the body. Fish oil can cause digestive disruption when you start. Huge amounts can cause too much blood thinning and it does contain some vitamin A in the oil soluble form so taking more A can cause a problem.

free skin care · Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:13 pm

In the morning, drink a glass of warm water combined with some lemon juice. My ND recommends half a lemon but I normally use a quarter (half a lemon is too strong for me). This cleanses the blood and helps the liver improve its metabolic function.

A detox might help too. I highly recommend the Brown Rice Cleanse.

free skin care · Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:22 pm

Yeahyeah, Holmes, John C. Hill, Havana8, Skin care addict, Lifeplyr01, Catballou, Sharky, and Yen thank you for all your suggestions!
I went to another doctor and he run some tests. Tomorrow I will get results. As for now, I don't take any vitamins, but there is no improvement for nausea. I am starting to have more pains in the area of liver. My relatives sent by mail to me Carsil, it is used as liver protector. It has milk thistle extract. I took the first pill today and I feel a little better, may be it is just my imagination...but this product seems to help. The doctor said he never even heard about this medication and it is probably not approved for use in Canada.
It makes me very sad...because many European medical products that could really benefit people are not approved in Canada.

free skin care · Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:35 pm

Lara1, I am so glad you went to the Dr.
I take milk thistle it is called Thisilyn available in Health Food Stores. I live in USA.

You have been in my prayers and thank you so much for sharing your experience. It is a good wake up call for us all to not overdo the vitamins.

Linda

free skin care · Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:01 pm

I would also like to add that supplements should be taken throughout the day, especially if you take a lot of them. i read some japanese or european study regarding impact on the liver/kidneys when supplements are taken all at one time, if i can find, i will post it.

Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:53 pm

Hey, I'm surprised no one mentioned Dr. Sandra Cabot, "The Liver Doctor."

Here's her site:www.LiverDoctor.com

free skin care · Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:18 am

the best thing for your liver is milk thistle.
Also of course do not drink alcohol or eat refined food and sugar. Stick to fresh natural foods veggies and fruits and take your milk thistle and drink green tea! You will be fine. I think sonetimes these things happen to put us on trck of a healthy life change.

free skin care · Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:01 pm

I went for the results of my blood test and the doctor suggested to do an ultrasound of my liver. I called for an appointment in the hospital and I am still waiting for them to call back...
I continue to take Carcil (milk thistle) and I also bought milk thistle at the drugstore. I am taking painkillers every day, but milk thistle helps also.

free skin care · Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:22 am

yikes ..pain killers are REALLY bad for the liver...but milk thistle should help with that....schisandra berry is also good http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkherb/s.html

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