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Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:18 am  |
I just found this site and they seem to what looks like great dermarollig kits:
http://www.cosmeticskinsolutions.com/Kit-Page.htm
They also have what appears to be Skin Ceuticals knock-offs.
Has anyone heard of this site before? I'm tempted to place an order but I wish I knew the quality of the rollers first. |
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Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:48 pm |
| Does anyone recognize what brand of roller this maybe? |
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Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:50 pm |
| GirlieGirl wrote: |
| Does anyone recognize what brand of roller this maybe? |
It looks like an MTS...they make good rollers, but they do not have the cross-linked needle pattern. |
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Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:11 pm |
| I ordered the baby dermaroller kit from these people. I only wanted a small roller for product penetration. I'll let you know how they compare to the Dr. Rollers that I have! |
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Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:50 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
| GirlieGirl wrote: |
| Does anyone recognize what brand of roller this maybe? |
It looks like an MTS...they make good rollers, but they do not have the cross-linked needle pattern. |
I think it's an MTS knockoff called the "Microneedle Nurse System"... Bethany's right - it's not a crosslinked roller. The quality of the one I bought is good - and the click-on cover is much nicer than the flimsy one that came with my Dr. Roller(s). However, upon further research, I realized that this is a product that can be purchased in bulk lots from China - and is subject to high markups.
A lot of sellers on eBay offer this brand (though they don't really "name" it) - so, if you're interested, and worried about buying direct, you can always buy through eBay.
I think the same seller as the OP's query goes by csssciencelab0829 on eBay.
My only concern with the ancillary products (face masks, peptides, etc., etc.) - would be that if they are produced in China - like the roller seems to be - I'd be a bit leery of the safety/efficacy of the ingredients. Nothing against products made in China, but with recent scares - it might be worth a bit of caution? When it comes to topicals and chemicals that are going to go on my skin - I'd rather play it safe and go with product lines that are produced with a bit more transparency in production values - and have some chance of resolution should things go really wrong.
Just MHO, though... For what it's worth. |
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Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:21 pm |
| Just an FYI. I emailed the company and asked where the products are produced. They replied that they are all produced in the US, with the exception of the masks, which are produced in Korea. |
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Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:54 pm |
| I'll let you know what the product, themselves, say, if anything when I get them! I do agree with you about being careful, and honestly never gave it a thought to ask until you said something! |
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Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:13 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Just an FYI. I emailed the company and asked where the products are produced. They replied that they are all produced in the US, with the exception of the masks, which are produced in Korea. |
I also emailed them. They said all are produced in the US except for the complimentary products. |
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Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:40 pm |
| GirlieGirl wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Just an FYI. I emailed the company and asked where the products are produced. They replied that they are all produced in the US, with the exception of the masks, which are produced in Korea. |
I also emailed them. They said all are produced in the US except for the complimentary products. |
And, of course, I believe everything that people tell me in emails... 
I'm still waiting for my "python to guarantee increase in size when I takes this vigor pills"...  |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:08 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| I'll let you know what the product, themselves, say, if anything when I get them! I do agree with you about being careful, and honestly never gave it a thought to ask until you said something! |
I'd be very interested as well - especially let me know if it turns out to be a MNS system which comes in a white tube - with grey and white labelling - and very poorly written instruction inserts.
Just FYI - did a bit more research on this Cosmetic Skin Solutions, LLC. (Which, by the way, shouldn't impress you too much - as ANYONE can become a LLC (limited liability company) - it just takes a bit of money and some paperwork. You could become "Rileygirl Time Travel and Liposuction, LLC.!!!) 
Anyway, apparently, it's a very small company (with a self reported 10-19 employees, including the Representative/CEO named "Dr. Jonathan" and an owner named "Dr. Jeffrey" -  m, now, don't *they* sound reputable!) with self reported revenues of $100,001-$500,000 (net or gross, they don't mention). So, it's *highly* doubtful that they have the capacity or capital to manufacture their own dermarollers. Given that there are few (if any) U.S. made dermarollers - and certainly none in the price points this company is offering - I find their assertions that *everything* they offer is made in the U.S. (with the exception of the Korean made face masks, of course) highly suspect.
Of course, they're telling you on the phone that all their products are made in the U.S.. Would they be willing to submit written documentation stating that fact? Or, are they willing to give the names of their manufacturers/supply chain providers? If not, again, I'd be very wary.
Even more so, if it turns out that they aren't telling the truth - and that they feel that they can tell stories to customers with such impunity...
Anyway - not to beat a dead horse (poor horse!) or convince anyone who doesn't want to be convinced otherwise. I just thought I would introduce some critical thinking into the whole mish-mosh. I tend to be especially critical of online vendors of products that could potentially harm people... < hops off soapbox and promptly trips and falls on face > |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:44 am |
| taobunny wrote: |
Just FYI - did a bit more research on this Cosmetic Skin Solutions, LLC. (Which, by the way, shouldn't impress you too much - as ANYONE can become a LLC .....
Anyway, apparently, it's a very small company (with a self reported 10-19 employees, including the Representative/CEO named "Dr. Jonathan" and an owner named "Dr. Jeffrey" - m, now, don't *they* sound reputable!) with self reported revenues of $100,001-$500,000 (net or gross, they don't mention). So, it's *highly* doubtful that they have the capacity or capital to manufacture their own dermarollers.
Of course, they're telling you on the phone that all their products are made in the U.S.. Would they be willing to submit written documentation stating that fact? Or, are they willing to give the names of their manufacturers/supply chain providers? If not, again, I'd be very wary. |
Are you referring to just the dermaroller or all products? If your comments apply to all the products I'm curious as to why you suspect foul play? Just wondering what may have caught your eye to be suspicious.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but speaking in general business, since they are a private company they don't have to and probably didnt report any financial info. With small co's alot of the time the financial info you find out there is very estimated unless you are paying for a D&B report. So I would take that with a grain of salt.
LLC is standard business, as you know its just one of the ways a company can be registered, so I dont think anyone was impressed with that. Since they also sell on ebay I was guessing they are not a very big company.
I would not expect them to give sources of product suppliers as with all companies its private, alot of companies do private labeling. Obviously its unlikey they themselves are manufacturing any of the items in their own factory. I'm sure they purchase them, now... if they are actually made in the US or not, who knows. But like many of the items we buy, they could also be made in US but the raw materials purchased from outside the country. |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:51 am |
| GirlieGirl wrote: |
Are you referring to just the dermaroller or all products? If your comments apply to all the products I'm curious as to why you suspect foul play? Just wondering what may have caught your eye to be suspicious.
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I was wondering the exact same thing. What initially made you become suspicious, taobunny? |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:07 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| GirlieGirl wrote: |
Are you referring to just the dermaroller or all products? If your comments apply to all the products I'm curious as to why you suspect foul play? Just wondering what may have caught your eye to be suspicious.
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I was wondering the exact same thing. What initially made you become suspicious, taobunny? |
Again, not trying to pick a fight - as it's your decision to make. I just wanted to answer the OP's question regarding the dermaroller - and also add in some words of caution regarding the ancillary products.
My suspicions were immediately raised when the comment was made: "Just an FYI. I emailed the company and asked where the products are produced. They replied that they are all produced in the US, with the exception of the masks, which are produced in Korea.".
Point 1: The roller this company shows on their website is visually identical to the MNS roller - down to the snap on protective cover. I find it rather coincidental - esp. given that I own this roller - and know that it is NOT made in the U.S.. There are a lot of rollers out there - most with unique designs and colors - the fact that this one looks EXACTLY like the MNS is my first cause for concern.
Point 2: Dr. Rollers cost, on average about $75 per roller (if not more if you buy higher mm from Jack). MTS rollers cost far more - on average $150. Neither roller is made in the U.S.. (As far as I know.)
Point 3: EMLA cream costs approximately $10.25 USD if you buy from Canada. (More on this later...)
Point 4: EMLA, in the U.S. - is a prescription only drug. To sell to the general public without verifying a prescription is against the law. This company is based out of California - and, so, falls under U.S. jurisdiction. On that point alone, their conduct is highly suspect.
Point 5: Going with one of the cheaper Peptide moisturizers on the market (Cellbone's, for example) the going price for a serum is about $38 (USD) the cream, let's say is roughly equivalent.
So, all told, the debatable value of this kit is ($75 + 10.25 + 38 +38 + approximately $3 per mask= > $176.25)
Cosmetic Skin Solutions, LLC - is willing to send you all the above for about $99.95 *including* free shipping.
The numbers just don't add up for me - they are suspiciously low for what they are calling U.S. made products. That's what raised my concerns - along with the fact that they are selling EMLA without prescription. With the exception of the EMLA issue, I would have no problem if they didn't make the assertion that all their products are made in the U.S.. The fact that it *seems* that they are quite willing to fudge the facts and quite blatantly break the law, with regards to EMLA, - makes the rest of their conduct and their entire product line suspect in my book.
As I said, I'm not looking to pick a fight. I think the roller is a very good deal for a non-cross linked roller. I just think that we all need to be very informed consumers, especially when it comes to topicals of unknown and unproven provenance. Given all that has happened with tainted products - it seems only prudent to ask questions first and be careful.
As stated before:
"When it comes to topicals and chemicals that are going to go on my skin - I'd rather play it safe and go with product lines that are produced with a bit more transparency in production values - and have some chance of resolution should things go really wrong.
Just MHO, though... For what it's worth"
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http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSPEK166968
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0917/p01s03-woap.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19611858/ |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:35 pm |
taobunny - You do raise good points and its food for though. I too was wondering about the EMLA as I thought it was an RX in the US, that is a bit odd that they are selling it openly.
I had written them again since they didnt really give a clear answer on which products were made in the US and they told me it was proprietary. Honestly I didnt care for that answer, its a simple question with a simple answer. I didnt ask them to disclose suppliers, just where products were made. I wrote back again but I will be surprised if they write back.
That aside how do you like the MTS roller? |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:57 pm |
 I *just* posted the link to this thread over there |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:14 pm |
| taobunny wrote: |
| My suspicions were immediately raised when the comment was made: "Just an FYI. I emailed the company and asked where the products are produced. They replied that they are all produced in the US, with the exception of the masks, which are produced in Korea.". |
Taobunny, I meant what raised your suspicions before I replied what they wrote in their email. You were already suspicious, as you brought it up, which made me decide to email the company and ask!
I don't think you are trying to pick a fight, and as I said previously, you have brought up some good points that I had not even thought about! |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:05 pm |
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That aside how do you like the MTS roller? |
I like the MNS roller just fine, actually. (I bought the Microneedle Nurse System roller - not the MTS roller, though. The MTS roller was too expensive for me! LOL)
The MNS roller seems to be quite sturdily made - though I've only used it about four times. The base of the unit is clear plexi (with a "S/N: B048694" silver colored sticker on the handle. I highly doubt that it's a unique serial number though... LOL) The side holding the roller in place (small circle) has the words "Skin Nurse System" on it.
The clear aqua blue plexi roller has eight rows of brass colored needles - which go almost to the center of the roller spindle. The needles look to be pretty good quality (from what I can tell) though they are much thinner diameter than my Dr. Roller's. (Then again, my MNS roller is a 0.5mm - and my Dr. Rollers are 1.5mm)
The handle is very comfortable to hold - and has a slight ergonomic curve. I *really* like the sturdy snap-on cap which covers the roller head. (IMHO, it's a great improvement over the flimsy plastic bubble cover that are on my Dr. Rollers...)
I only clean my rollers with rubbing alcohol and hot water - but I'm seeing just a bit of surface de-lamination on the roller head itself. It may just be cosmetic - but I'm hoping that it won't affect the glue between the roller sections themselves.
All in all, it's a much more attractive piece of equipment compared to the Dr. Roller. I just wish that it was a cross linked unit - then I would totally switch to the MNS.
Now, I just have to figure out the cost benefit analysis to bulk order them myself! (Anyone else wanna go half-sies on a million piece order of MNS rollers??? ) |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:17 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
Taobunny, I meant what raised your suspicions before I replied what they wrote in their email. You were already suspicious, as you brought it up, which made me decide to email the company and ask! |
Oh, sorry - what initially drew my eye to this was that the kits they are offering look to be identical (except for the "Cosmetic Skin Solutions, LLC labels and the inclusion of EMLA) to ones that other eBay sellers were offering when I first was researching dermarollers. This made me think that these are bulk lot items purchased from overseas sellers - and then custom labeled with stickers.
The eBay seller I purchased from no longer sells the kits (they have received a lot of negative feedback since I purchased months ago) - but is also based in the same area of Southern California. It makes me think that it could possibly be the same seller - operating under a different user/company name.
Also, I'm generally wary when a company feels the need to put LLC on their labels. On their letterhead or "Contact Us" form - yes. On the label of a beauty product? Not so much... It would seem more in keeping with the beauty industry in general to label the products "Cosmetic Skin Solutions", wouldn't it? The fact that they are so prominently featuring the LLC everywhere (website, labels, etc.) makes me think that they are trying to seem instantly more reputable. My immediate question then was "Why?" (If you have a good product - it should sell itself. If you don't - then no amount of LLC, S-Corp or C-Corp on the label will help, IMHO...)
Anyway, just my opinion - I could be totally off base... |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:56 pm |
| Ok, I understand! Thanks for the explanation. I'll see what all the products say, how they look, etc, when I get the products! Thanks for bringing this concern up, as I believe you raised really valid points! |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:14 pm |
Sad to say but another red flag for this company....I was reading on another board that someone who purchase one of the serums said the ingredients were not listed on the bottle so she emailed them and they basically said 'they have not yet released the ingredients'. HUH???? Its the law that they must have the ingredients listed on each product.
This was the final dealer breaker for me. I'm really disappointed as this company looked like it might offer some great products. Oh well. |
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Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:00 pm |
| GirlieGirl wrote: |
Sad to say but another red flag for this company....I was reading on another board that someone who purchase one of the serums said the ingredients were not listed on the bottle so she emailed them and they basically said 'they have not yet released the ingredients'. HUH???? Its the law that they must have the ingredients listed on each product.
This was the final dealer breaker for me. I'm really disappointed as this company looked like it might offer some great products. Oh well. |
Well, I think I have definitely learned a lesson here. I haven't even received the products yet, and I am not having a good feeling about them at all now. |
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