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Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:29 am  |
There is a lot of chatter going on regarding theledman.net and his very affordable LED units....so I figured he deserved his own thread, just like the rest of the LED suppliers!
I contacted "V" tonight regarding a green LED unit for hyperpigmentation...as others have commented on various threads, his customer service is FABULOUS. He answered all my emails super quickly....even though our back and forth emails took place between 2 and 3am ET.  Definitely 2 thumbs up thus far!
I requested an approximate LED panel size of 3" x 4" and he can do one that is 3.5" x 4.5"...that way I can treat the whole pigmented area on the side of my face at one time. Woo hoo!
He will be using 224 LEDs with a wavelength of 515-525nm. The cost is $240 + $8 shipping, and he takes paypal.
I'll let everyone know when I get it! |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:13 am |
Great idea Bethany!
I have ordered from him too. I copied Zyggy and ordered a 108 unit with amber/red/infrared. I paid $119.00 plus $10 shipping to AUSTRALIA!! The shipping is great in itself. He also answered my 3 emails immediately.
Can't wait to receive it and get started!
cheers
rebecca |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:19 am |
I'm very impressed with V and his customer care, okay, he seems to be customer care, and I found him to be a good guy. I'm glad you went ahead and bought his unit.
I look forward to hearing about it. I got mine yesterday. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:41 am |
I did contact V but in the end wasn't that comfortable ordering from him since he's more of an electrician/engineer rather than being involved in aesthetics.
How do you know the LEDs are shining the right wavelengths? Shouldn't there be some testing done? I'm not a techie so I have no clue what I'm talking about, but from what I gather from another thread, it's not as simple as putting a bulb into a circuit panel. Plus the wavelength deviations and all that ugh physics. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:49 am |
| Kareberry* wrote: |
I did contact V but in the end wasn't that comfortable ordering from him since he's more of an electrician/engineer rather than being involved in aesthetics.
How do you know the LEDs are shining the right wavelengths? Shouldn't there be some testing done? I'm not a techie so I have no clue what I'm talking about, but from what I gather from another thread, it's not as simple as putting a bulb into a circuit panel. Plus the wavelength deviations and all that ugh physics. |
You said he's an electrician/engineer, I would think V would know. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:50 am |
| Is it just me or does anyone else feel that they can't understand the specs of LED? I feel like it's over my head, so when I try to compare one LED product to another, I cannot comprehend what the numbers are telling me. Is there a LED guide for dummies? I feel like I have to be an engineer to understand which LED and wavelength would benefit my skin for anti-aging vs hyperpigmentation vs acne. If someone can explain to me exactly what to look for in the most simple term (for dummies), I would appreciate it much. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:22 pm |
| ruk1 wrote: |
| If someone can explain to me exactly what to look for in the most simple term (for dummies), I would appreciate it much. |
I'll address this on the How to Choose an LED thread for you. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:41 pm |
| Kareberry* wrote: |
I did contact V but in the end wasn't that comfortable ordering from him since he's more of an electrician/engineer rather than being involved in aesthetics.
How do you know the LEDs are shining the right wavelengths? Shouldn't there be some testing done? I'm not a techie so I have no clue what I'm talking about, but from what I gather from another thread, it's not as simple as putting a bulb into a circuit panel. Plus the wavelength deviations and all that ugh physics. |
Did you review all of that with LightStim before you bought your AALS?
V does test his products..I read somewhere (it might have been in one of his spec sheets or emails to another member) that he has all of his LEDs independently tested, etc. He will willingly provide detailed spec sheets and explain all the power aspects. LightStim won't share that info.
LightStim also isn't an "aesthetics" expert...they just sell LEDs that happen to look different than V's. Unless they are specifically trained and certified (Rita at ProLight is a CIDESCO Diplomat), then they are all just sales people. LightStim just has prettier marketing materials and they probably use more skincare products than V. But V has more technical knowledge of the how it all works.
And ProLight has 3 NASA engineers who developed her product...no engineers = no product.
Besides, most people on this forum don't buy based on technical specs (I can count us on two hands and I don't need all my fingers)...they like to buy products that other people said worked well.
Every product out there has some pros and cons. All that matters is that people buy what they feel comfortable with and actually use the darn thing. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:56 pm |
Bethany,
all the info we have for Prolight is based solely on Rita's word.
Being a licensed cosmetologist means very little in this country (even though it differs from state to state), unlike in some European countries when you have to have a medical degree (2 years of nursing) to get into a beauty school. I did asked for studies that confirmed the safety of their device - had not gotten it.
She also put me in touch with some one in her company, who was less then literate in any discipline - business or technical.
She is also a saleslady for her company and is very interested in selling.
Lightstim sells to hospitals or medical facilities (or so they claim). If that can be verified - that would mean that is checked on a much higher level then any beauty related products are - each hospital has it's own engineering department, and before any equipment is even considered you have to supply substantial documentation.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:57 pm |
BTW - using is a KEY here.
I agree with you absolutely, if it just sits on a shelf it is not going to do your skin any good. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:13 pm |
Sigma, at the end of the day, we common people just can't validate that much ourselves.
My only point in the response above is that we should not be holding V to standards that we can't/don't hold other vendors to, nor making assumptions that he does not know LEDs and their skin benefits because he is perceived as more technical.
So what if he can't recommend skin products to me...I'll settle for a great LED customized to my needs...something no one else can do but him right now.  |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:56 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
Sigma, at the end of the day, we common people just can't validate that much ourselves.
My only point in the response above is that we should not be holding V to standards that we can't/don't hold other vendors to, nor making assumptions that he does not know LEDs and their skin benefits because he is perceived as more technical.
So what if he can't recommend skin products to me...I'll settle for a great LED customized to my needs...something no one else can do but him right now. |
Well said Bethany. The mere fact that he is willing to customize an led device for you is outstanding.
I think his prices is what is scary because they are low. He makes them, his overhead is low since he isn't paying for advertising, or have a slew of salespeople promoting his wares. The other thing is that he isn't selling a "beauty item" and as we all know mfg's charge whatever they want because they know we will pay it. His devices seem to be more geared to medical help with pain. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:10 pm |
Bethany,
I agree with you 100%. Sorry if I misunderstood the intent.
All of that aside - I am more concerned about the safety of the long term use. If you, ladies, have any relative info, I would greatly appreciate it.
TIA |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:20 pm |
Rita is well beyond just any aesthetician. Here is a link to CIDESCO site. The organization is based out of Switzerland http://www.cidesco.com/index.php?menu=1
Aesthetitians learn from Rita's courses on DVDs. http://www.videoshelf.com/facial.htm
Some of the training DVD courses include Facial Equipment Techniques, European Facials. The DVDs produced not by ProLight Aesthetics, but by another company that invited Rita to share her expertise.
I do not want to stir another round of LED negativity, and just would point out that AALS is pretty much the only company that is not open about the specifications of their devices. And I appreciate the companies such as LedMan, ProLight, Quasars that are not being secretive about their products. |
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Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:50 pm |
Rita is definitely a professional beautician. However, she did not know a fairly basic thing - that there are 2 things that are contraindication for using high frequency - facial hair and broken capillaries. Any RUSSIAN trained aesthetician would learn that in school - basic.
No amount of diplomas can substitute for the actual knowledge. May be in the past when she was actually working with the clients... I can not judge, I can only tell you my experience.
The products she recommended I did buy - they are still on the shelf; some were to harsh for my skin, some had other issues - by now I do not remember what exactly it was.
Did she help me - only in a way - she reminded me to use a tool I had ruled out, but under the circumstances the benefits were clearly outweighing the problems.
I am sorry to say it, but I have 2 plain aestheticians in my area (one - American Italian, trained here and recommended to me by another kind sole here on EDS just a bit expensive, does Oxygen facial and microdermabarsion; one - Russian American trained in Russia), and Rita can learn from both of them quite a bit. Between the 2 of them they healed my skin and now I can step out with no makeup without scaring the people on the street.
These are real results.
FYI - if you checkwww.stophairlossnow.com one of the things you will see: "High Frequency
A high frequency current which stimulates the surface of the scalp by means of massaging the cells of the scalp, also supposed to improve the process of nourishment, stimulate local blood circulation, stimulate local glandular activity, supplies heat and is soothing to the nervous system of the scalp.".
My skin still has plenty of room for improvement, but no comparison to where I started from after that electrolysis. |
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:16 am |
I'm wondering how the women who purchase their led's from the led man are doing with their devices.
how long are you using your led on each section of your skin. have you had any difficulties or problems...like to much warmth too quickly to place directly on skin...or too much dryness..or other problems? Any improvements...facial 'glow' skin tightening, etc?
I'm going to purchase an led from the led man...but i am not sure if i should get one specified for the skin on my face..too risky?...or just get one for my body and buy a facial led device from a company that does specify treatment times, etc?
Any personal experiences you have to share would be so welcome! |
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:38 pm |
| jasminerosey wrote: |
| I'm wondering how the women who purchase their led's from the led man are doing with their devices. |
I haven't received mine yet as he had to order parts (I needed too many green LEDs,lol).
But hopefully some of the other ladies can weigh in...I would like to hear their answers as well! |
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:04 pm |
In response to Sigma quotes.......
Her statement--"Being a licensed cosmetologist means very little in this country."
My answer: tell that to the hair stylist next time they are cutting or coloring or perming your hair. Watch how your hair turns out.
My answer-To briefly highlight my background.....
I hold a BS Degree in Chemistry from the University of Arizona. And yes,...that is a 4 year degree.
I am a Licensed Aesthetician, International CIDESCO Diplomate, Licensed Cosmetologist.
I am a Medical Aesthetician with 24 years clinical, hands-on experience in Dermatology, and Plastic Surgery, with emphasis in corrective skin therapies. My Laser Training was with some of the top-premier North America physicians- Dr. Mitch Goldman, Dr. Bitter, and Dr. Mulholland.
I have been most fortunate to have many famous and not so famous individuals trust their skin to me ranging from politicians, TV Actors/Actresses, such as Oprah Winfrey, Paula Abdul, Barbara Streisand, Diane Cannon, Tanya Tucker, Brooke Shields to just name a few.
In addition: Sigma states----
"Rita is definitely a professional beautician. However, she did not know a fairly basic thing - that there are 2 things that are contraindication for using high frequency - facial hair and broken capillaries. Any RUSSIAN trained aesthetician would learn that in school - basic."
My answer----The contra-indications for high frequency , direct and in-direct, are not facial hair and broken capillaries. The contra-indications for high frequency are metal implants, pregnancy, epileptics, open wounds, burns, recent surgery to name a few. Furthermore, high frequency, whether it is being used direct( germicidal) or in-direct( increase circulation/relaxation dependent on application technique, including tissue cautery). In addition....the correct term is not"broken capillaries",the correct word is telangitasia. From a pathology/dermatology standpoint, the capillaries are not broken, but the vessel walls have become rigid and less flexible and the dermis has loss the support of the collagen/elastin bundles to hold the tiny vessels in place.
Sigma quote---
"No amount of diplomas can substitute for the actual knowledge. May be in the past when she was actually working with the clients... I can not judge, I can only tell you my experience
My answer---I have over 25 years of actual hands-on , clinical experience with thousands of clients. You're right you cannot judge.
Sigma Quote---"She also put me in touch with some one in her company, who was less then literate in any discipline - business or technical."
My answer---You spoke with one of my Engineers....actually a NASA Engineer. What qualifies you to judge someone's educational, training and experience in Engineering?
Sigma quote---"Lightstim sells to hospitals or medical facilities (or so they claim). If that can be verified - that would mean that is checked on a much higher level then any beauty related products are - each hospital has it's own engineering department, and before any equipment is even considered you have to supply substantial documentation.
My response---The FDA regulates drugs and medical equipment. Hospitals and medical facilities purchase and use FDA approved drugs and medical equipment. All FDA approved medical equipment and drugs must go through rigorous clinical studies/trials to recieve FDA 510K clearance which is extremely costly and timely.
Finally,....Sigma.....when you are finally done attacking my character and my company, I hope you will be happy, and pleased with what you have accomplished.
Regards,
Rita Page
ProLight Aesthetics |
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:12 pm |
I would respectly request that any replies that are NOT related to theLEDman.net please be moved to the appropriate thread...such as the ProLight thread or the "how to decide on an LED thread." Please feel free to copy and reply to the last post there.
Thank you. And we will now return to our regularly scheduled programming. |
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:26 am |
| Bethany, I'm interested in how you choose the green led for skin pigmentation..I have been reading this site and have only read so far how amber or yellow leds help with this issue...and I am curious to learn more about this 'new' color before I order my own custom device. |
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:48 am |
| jasminerosey wrote: |
I'm wondering how the women who purchase their led's from the led man are doing with their devices.
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Any personal experiences you have to share would be so welcome! |
Ditto!
I'll be checking this thread for feedback |
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:13 am |
| bethany wrote: |
| ruk1 wrote: |
| If someone can explain to me exactly what to look for in the most simple term (for dummies), I would appreciate it much. |
Thank you. I will check that thread and try to understand the LED better.
I'll address this on the How to Choose an LED thread for you. |
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:55 pm |
| Does someone know where theledman's store is located? |
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:20 pm |
| ruk1 wrote: |
| Does someone know where theledman's store is located? |
When I received my package the return address was Piso Beach, CA. I don't think he has a physical store, just an online store. theledman.net He replies to email quickly. |
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Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:14 pm |
| jasminerosey wrote: |
| Bethany, I'm interested in how you choose the green led for skin pigmentation..I have been reading this site and have only read so far how amber or yellow leds help with this issue...and I am curious to learn more about this 'new' color before I order my own custom device. |
Jasmine, I really have nothing to base it on other than that I have seen a variety of green lights popping up for pigmentation, like the Mini Marvel Green. That same company makes a professional device as well. Here are some quotes from various places on the web.
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Green Panel 525nm
The Green panel is the colour used to treat Capillaries. It works on Vascular conditions and Rosaceous skin flushing calms within a few treatments. Also great for treating ultra sensitive skin.
http://www.nextofskin.com.au/led.html |
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