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Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:52 am  |
Hi!
I'm an 18-year-old boy and don't look like someone my age at all, because I accidentally ruined my skin with a medication that inhibits collagen. I wasn't aware of the side effect so I used it for two years (that's a very long time for that medication actually!). Now my under eye area looks very sagged, dark, wrinkled and thin with no fat layer. Even my lower eyelids have folded and don't look so tight anymore. What kind of tools are there for this problem?
I thought, if I could lessen the deep fine line that separates the under eye area and the cheeks, it could have a less sagged look. I think I may be in a little better situation, because I'm still young and ought to look like that, if I hadn't evoked the aging artificially. What do you think? Retin-A, Dermaroll and facial exercises?
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:48 am |
| I would definitely consult a dermatologist in your case before you try home remedies. Dermarolling, etc without prior medical advice can cause further damage, so talk to a doc and be sure to fill him in on all the medication you took, etc. |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:40 pm |
What was the medication that you took that inhibits collagen?
(I 2nd going to see a derm for advice.) |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:56 pm |
| I used Regaine 5%. It contains minoxidil. |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:02 pm |
| Vor wrote: |
| I used Regaine 5%. It contains minoxidil. |
I think I missed something...you used it on you face? |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:25 pm |
Vor, you said you used this for 2 years, so you started at 16? What were you using this for?
I could not find anything about Rogaine inhibiting collagen.
"When taken orally for hypertension, minoxidil can sometimes cause difficulty breathing, rapid heartbeat, fainting and vomiting. When applied to the skin, however, only small amounts of minoxidil are absorbed into the bloodstream, and itching and dryness of the scalp appear to be the only side effects."
Vor, do you have any studies that show that Rogaine inhibits collagen? OR where did you hear about that? |
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Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:21 pm |
| I typed 'minoxidil inhibits collagen' in Google, some info did come up. |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:40 am |
| There are studies that say it significantly inhibits collagen. Just type "minoxidil collagen" in the search or "minoxidil black eyes" or "minoxidil wrinkles". You can find studies and many people complaining how it ruined their looks totally and led to a beauty surgery. I don't have the permission to post links. |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:26 am |
| Thanks, Vor. I still suggest going to see a derm. Good luck and I hope you get your issues resolved! |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:48 pm |
Well there is a whole host of things you can do..you are still young so your body will respond well.
1) Take Vitamin c 1000mg + zinc 30 mg ( with copper atleast 4 mg) + vitamin a + multivitamin with minerals
2) Face cream...copper peptides or one with vitamin A + vit b3 + vit c ( buy a good quality brand with a good percentage)
3) Do a TCA peel I would start off at 12.5% cause 25% you need to have experience how use it otherwise you can damage you skin if you dont use proper after care
4) Derma rolling... this has already worked on some mild acne scars and my complexion is clear...You face needs collagen to be stimulated....
5) Sunscreen... The sun causes wrinkles keeps out of it... Smoking cause really bad wrinkles.... Don't drink to much alcohol |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:14 pm |
This should never have been used on the face.
I would get to a dermatologist for an isitial consultation. Superdog gave you some great starting points. I would want to see if there was permanent damage. |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:40 pm |
This post made me sad. I am sure you still would look young to the rest of us.
I agree that you need to see a dermatologist for this particular issue. However, you are wise to be considering what you need to do to take care of your skin at this age. Facial exercises, vitamins, and good nutrition will all help keep your skin looking good so that when you're 40 you won't be one of the people on this board wondering why your face suddenly looks like it was run over by a truck.
In truth, we always look worse to ourselves than we do to others. |
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Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:36 pm |
| Hermosa wrote: |
Facial exercises, vitamins, and good nutrition will all help keep your skin looking good so that when you're 40 you won't be one of the people on this board wondering why your face suddenly looks like it was run over by a truck.
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I want to second this and the advice to see a dermatologist. Eating right, exercising the facial muscles, massaging the facial muscles, getting fatty acids and plenty of water and fiber--you'll not only look good, you'll feel good. |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:58 am |
Thanks a lot for the answers!
But what do you think about Retin-A cream for wrinkles? Is it okay to use at my age or does it have some severe side effects?
| superdogg wrote: |
Well there is a whole host of things you can do..you are still young so your body will respond well.
1) Take Vitamin c 1000mg + zinc 30 mg ( with copper atleast 4 mg) + vitamin a + multivitamin with minerals
2) Face cream...copper peptides or one with vitamin A + vit b3 + vit c ( buy a good quality brand with a good percentage)
3) Do a TCA peel I would start off at 12.5% cause 25% you need to have experience how use it otherwise you can damage you skin if you dont use proper after care
4) Derma rolling... this has already worked on some mild acne scars and my complexion is clear...You face needs collagen to be stimulated....
5) Sunscreen... The sun causes wrinkles keeps out of it... Smoking cause really bad wrinkles.... Don't drink to much alcohol |
Wow! That's a lot, but thanks!
2) How about replacing that with Retin-A?
3) Are these TCA peel kits sold in shops too or do I have to order it somewhere? Any suggestions? I'm already imagining how much mess there will be in the customs, if I'm ordering such stuff -- they don't want to let medications over the border  .
4) I just read that unskillful dermarolling can go very wrong and make the skin worse. Is it really as easy as you're saying? They are selling Dermarollers for 10 dollars in Ebay, so I could get my hands on one right now, if I wanted.
5) I'm living in a kind of northern country, so I doubt I need something like that in the winter. Luckily I don't smoke at all and drink much.
Thanks! |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:33 am |
I don't know how to edit my last post, so I'm making another.
| superdogg wrote: |
1) Take Vitamin c 1000mg + zinc 30 mg ( with copper atleast 4 mg) + vitamin a + multivitamin with minerals
2) Face cream...copper peptides or one with vitamin A + vit b3 + vit c ( buy a good quality brand with a good percentage) |
1) Is fish oil good? The only vitamin I'm taking at the moment. I took zinc before. It's going to be pretty costly, if I want to get on the full package...
2) Any certain products? I'm using castor oil right now btw. It's not helping with wrinkles , but it's cheap and just makes me feel good.
Thanks!
I'm seeing a dermatologist tomorrow. Hopefully she knows more about this subject, but my own experience says that people in the forums and Internet can be a lot more competent than the doctors (at least for hairloss) :P.
About Retin-A again: am I risking with permanent side effects like even more wrinkles and drier skin, when using it?
Do doctors describe it for wrinkle curing only? Is Retin-A just a healthy cream that's worth taking anyway to make your skin look better?
Thanks! |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:16 am |
Vor, I am very glad to see that you are going to a dermatologist, you should get some good advise there.
Most of us on this board are MUCH older than you are. Your situation is rather different, and the treatment you need may be different. Obviously, you will listen to your derm first, but you may be able to pick up a few pointers on the board. Also, don't feel that you have to do everything at once. It's ok to start slowly and add one product at a time.
I hope you are not smoking, that is awful for your skin. Also, try to find a good sunscreen with high spf to protect your skin. It will not rebuild collagen, but will allow your skin the opportunity to heal itself. I agree that fish oil and a high dosage vitamin C are good for your skin.
We will see what your derm says about Retin A or Renova. She may feel that you are too young. Retin A was originally used to treat acne, but patients started to notice its anti-wrinkle effects. Renova has the same active, but is in more of a cream base, and there is less irritation. It may not be good for someone who is acne prone however. I don't now of anyone who complained of permanent side effects from Retin A, but a number of people have experience dryness and flaking at least to start. Keep in mind in comes in different strengths, and you can also let it dry an put a moisturizer over it. The BB people know cheaper places to get this stuff, but let's see what your derm says first. Also, peels can help, but there is an ugly time first, so don't just jump into them without doing a bit of reading first, and don't go overly strong. Your derm may not think your skin is ready for anything harsh yet, so you may want to bring up your different ideas with her. Good luck |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:45 am |
I don't think my situation is much different. My skin is lacking collagen and has began looking old and wrinkled just like everyone on this board.
Thanks for supportive answer! |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:06 pm |
| Vor wrote: |
I don't think my situation is much different. My skin is lacking collagen and has began looking old and wrinkled just like everyone on this board.
Thanks for supportive answer! |
Vor, your dermatologist will understand the science and physiology of your problem better than we do, even if we can give anecdotal evidence. After you meet with the doctor, you might want to do some research on black currant oil, mono-unsaturated fatty acids, hyuralonic (sp?) acid, MSM to see whether your doctor's advice would include these supplements.
I'm 52 and battling a number of issues you've detailed. After having obsessed over my skin for 40 years, I've come to the conclusion that working inside out is the best for me, and using things like massage, oil cleansing, facial exercise (I do use Calm Skin products, but always with the awareness of 'less is more') have a greater impact if I keep a regular routine up. |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:44 pm |
Derma rolling doesn't damage ur skin i don't know who told you that.... it's amazing so much soo that my mum saw how much my face improved she wants to do it...But only do one intense roll a month and get some climaz spray or emla to help with the pain...
Put vitamin c , a, b3 cream allw work together doing diffrent things to make ur skin look younger they all supposrt eachother. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:15 am |
| superdogg wrote: |
Derma rolling doesn't damage ur skin i don't know who told you that.... it's amazing so much soo that my mum saw how much my face improved she wants to do it...But only do one intense roll a month and get some climaz spray or emla to help with the pain...
Put vitamin c , a, b3 cream allw work together doing diffrent things to make ur skin look younger they all supposrt eachother. |
Can Retin-A work as good as the cream you're describing?
What do you think of TCA peel?
Thank you! |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:49 am |
| Vor, from what you have said (and since we can't see you) I can't imagine that you want to do any kind of peel. I would focus on restoring the skin rather than damaging it further (which is what acids do.) |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:59 am |
Hi Vor! I'm interrested to hear what the derm had to say. I hope you got some answers and some encouragement. I agree with Hermosa. It seems that healing is what you would need more than anything.
I know this is not what any 18 year old wants to hear but, eat your veggies. You'll never get in a pill what you can get from plain old fruits and veggies. You can look at the thread about green smoothies for a way to get a large amount of greens in your diet in a way that tastes good.
Best of luck. You shouldn't have to be dealing with this at your age. I hope you find a solution. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:26 am |
I agree with the poster that said do not do a peel. Let your skin rest and regenerate. It takes 30 days for skin cells to turn over so it will take some time for the skin to repair.
See what you look like in a few months, and consult a derm, then you can make some decisions. You are very young and have a much greater ability for the skin to bounce back. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:56 am |
| Vor wrote: |
| I'm seeing a dermatologist tomorrow. Hopefully she knows more about this subject, but my own experience says that people in the forums and Internet can be a lot more competent than the doctors |
I strongly, strongly disagree with this. Not all doctors are competent, of course, and laypeople can often do thorough research, but never trust a bunch of online strangers over an expert who has actually examined you.
You say that you've got the same skin problems as the rest of us who are older, but you don't. We're all dealing with the natural signs of aging; you're dealing with what might be a medical problem (hyper-aging caused by the misuse of a product?) Now is not the time to blindly try all the products and techniques touted at EDS; now is the time to listen to what your dermatologist says. You could do more harm than good otherwise. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:32 am |
Thanks for the support! I'm seeing the dermatologist tomorrow.
I already started doing facial exercises and I'm probably going to take some more vitamins. These kind of things can only mean extra health and beauty, right? |
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