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Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:58 pm |
This is the third time I've tried to post this. I will follow up with the next post. |
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Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:03 pm |
I've read a few times in different places that you can only get HGH into your system effectively by getting prescription strength HGH and injecting it.
Maybe it's the other ingredients in it that are making the improvements for you??? |
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Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:10 pm |
Is HGH effective against aging? It might be cos it seems that younger people has higher levels of the hormone. |
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Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:01 pm |
There have been studies that point out an increase in cancer tumors with HGH use. Too risky. |
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Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:42 pm |
Is that legal? |
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Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:19 pm |
Supposedly administering actual HGH is expensive and should be done under doctors' supervision with blood lab analysis on a regular basis, and cost running into thousands of dollars per year. These are injectables and might have side effects (besides getting the wallet lighter) From what I understand HGH in homeopathic form is a waste of money. You actually want to replenish HGH which homeopathic form simply can not do because of the LOW dosage. I looked at the Renewal link provided and it is homeopathic with very low dosage. Save your money.
For those who can not afford HGH injections there is a way to still increase HGH by getting HGH RELEASER. HGH releasers would stimulate release of your very own HGH which actually might be even a smarter way to go about it, with no side effects. HGH releasers are usually blends of vitamins and nootropics.
There are lots of HGH releases too and one needs to be careful with what you get. Pyramid schemes and payback to referrers are commonplace. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:45 am |
exercise also increases your body's ability to produce HGH |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:00 am |
Mishey wrote: |
I've read a few times in different places that you can only get HGH into your system effectively by getting prescription strength HGH and injecting it.
Maybe it's the other ingredients in it that are making the improvements for you |
I don't believe that is true, at least not from my experience. The homeopathic stuff worked for me, but as I aged, I found the stronger stuff to work better. The very high potency stuff would, I think, be injectible and only provided by a script. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:01 am |
bciw wrote: |
Is HGH effective against aging? It might be cos it seems that younger people has higher levels of the hormone. |
Go ahead and google it. I believe it is. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:17 am |
mpstat wrote: |
Supposedly administering actual HGH is expensive and should be done under doctors' supervision with blood lab analysis on a regular basis, and cost running into thousands of dollars per year. These are injectables and might have side effects (besides getting the wallet lighter) From what I understand HGH in homeopathic form is a waste of money. You actually want to replenish HGH which homeopathic form simply can not do because of the LOW dosage. I looked at the Renewal link provided and it is homeopathic with very low dosage. Save your money. |
Ingredients in Renewal:
Somatotrophin (HGH) 9x/30x Ornithine 9x RNA 9x Albumin 3c Protease 9x MSM 9x Colostrum 30 c
If it is homeopathic, it could be either high or low, as the 9x/30x is unclear, but it looks as though it might be a higher homeopathic. Of course, as the following explains, it might not be a true homeopathic due to the processing. It does not claim to be homepathic. The following is from a different website but it explains homeopathy a little and what the solution abbreviations are:
Proper Potency of HGH Formulas
In homeopathy the number in front of the letters X or C is the potency of the ingredients. For instance, the label on our HGH Plus IGF-1 & IGF-2 product states:
Human Growth Hormone 30X, 12C
The letter "X" indicates a 1 to 10 dilution, and the letter "C" indicates a 1 to 100 dilution. As a general rule, the strength or potency of an ingredient increases as the number in front of the X or C increases.
It is important to educate yourself. Read product literature and labels carefully, and understand what they mean. Some products state they are "homeopathic-like." Others claim they are "homeopathic" just because the formula contains minute amounts of an ingredient. Beware of both, since neither is a true homeopathic product.
Also, a product may have an "X" or a " C" after a number to show that a substance has been diluted, but it may not be a homeopathic, because it has not been properly succussed.
Some products give the number of nanograms (this is one billionth of a gram) of HGH on the label and say, or imply they are homeopathic. Again, this does not constitute a real homeopathic product.
Homeopathic products are not measured in nanograms, grams or other similar measurements and you should not find this on the label of a truly homeopathic product, only the potency will be stated. Inquire as to how the product was prepared.
Research and homeopathic literature indicate that most of the favorable results with homeopathics have been with a fairly low potency like 3X, 2C, or 3C, or higher potencies, like 30X or 30C.
Homeopathic potencies for HGH that range above 100 dilutions could have some benefit; however, many people really do not need such high potencies. There is also the strong chance that machinery was used to prepare these high potencies, because if these preparations were prepared by hand, as they should be, it would be very labor intensive and expensive to make them.
http://www.hgh-pro.com/homeopathic3.htm
mpstat wrote: |
For those who can not afford HGH injections there is a way to still increase HGH by getting HGH RELEASER. |
I have found these to be ineffective.
I am 49 and have been taking this stuff for about the last five years, the stronger stuff I have taken for the last year, and I feel a significant difference. My eyesight is better when I take it also. Perhaps you should let the forum members decide for themselves? |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:20 am |
fawnie wrote: |
There have been studies that point out an increase in cancer tumors with HGH use. Too risky. |
I haven't seen these. Perhaps I interpreted what I have seen incorrectly though. I thought I read that the increase was in tumors that were already present, as in "an increase in tumor growth." Could you find the article/s you are referring to? |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:23 am |
littlecandy wrote: |
Is that legal? |
I guess it depends on the potency. I'm assuming this is legal. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:46 am |
Thanks S. I think the potencies are the main factors that need to be considered. The injectible, scipt potency sounds dangerous. Homeopathy is designed to stimulate a response in your system, I believe.
The post on gigantism, from the thread you pointed to, is related to a tumor that has grown in the pituitary gland-- usually from birth, I think. I believe it causes too much HGH to be produced, not the same case as HGH causing the tumor to be produced. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:10 am |
It looks like it might be a high potency homeopathic. This is what the website states where I buy mine from:
"Renewal HGH is a True recombinant Human Growth Hormone. In clinical studies it has been shown that Growth Hormone can assist a person in losing fat, gaining lean muscle mass, increasing sexual function and desire, thickening skin and reducing wrinkles, thickening and even re-growing hair, increasing strength, stamina and energy level, maintaining a heightened mood, and a multitude of other possible benefits."
http://www.herbspro.com/shop/productdetail.asp?ptid=43711&utm_source=shopping_com&utm_medium=Feed
However, from another website which sells it:
Product Features
True HGH
8 Other Synergistic Ingredients
Oral Spray
Homeopathic
Fully Hand-Succussed
FDA Registered
Produced in the United States by an FDA Certified Lab
http://www.alwaysyoung.com/products/renewal/advc/advc.asp |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:08 am |
InkyProse wrote: |
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"For those who can not afford HGH injections there is a way to still increase HGH by getting HGH RELEASER. "
I have found these to be ineffective.
I am 49 and have been taking this stuff for about the last five years, the stronger stuff I have taken for the last year, and I feel a significant difference. My eyesight is better when I take it also. Perhaps you should let the forum members decide for themselves? |
InkyProse - I am taking HGH releaser myself, so I looked into options available, and was sharing information on what I currently know and others might benefit from. Ultimately people can decide for themselves what is the best route for them.
I do not see where I was deciding for you what you should do, and your comment is not appropriate to say the least. If homeopathic HGH works for you then it is definitely the way to go in your case. This said I am posting info on homeopathic HGH, which is intended for the other members.
There is an informative web site on HGH worth exploring http://hghtruths.com and posted below is a part of the article on homeopathic HGH. The full article can be found here http://hghtruths.com/homeopathic-and-oral-sprays/have-you-been-nano-scammed/#more-33
Have You Been Nano Scammed?
...Bad enough that an hgh product comes in a spray bottle. However, if the product makes any kind of claim to contain ingredients in nanograms, you can assume that you are being scammed.
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To put this in perspective, you need over one gram of the best amino acid in a gh stack to get some natural hgh release. Probably need more but we are trying to be generous.
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Besides, you can not absorb it through your mouth. No form of human growth hormone is stable in a bottle of water. Plus you can not sell prescription drugs in any amount as over the counter dietary supplements.
The FTC and the FDA should be shutting these people down.
So any time you see product ingredients listed as nanograms, run.
Any time you see a natural products supplement claiming to contain or be made with real hgh, run.
Run very fast!
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:41 am |
mpstat wrote: |
InkyProse - I am taking HGH releaser myself, so I looked into options available, and was sharing information on what I currently know and others might benefit from. |
That's good. The same thing won't work for everyone, guaranteed. There are issues like age, potency, individual biochemical make-up.
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Ultimately people can decide for themselves what is the best route for them. |
It seems you took offense. I also took offense because it seemed that you completely discounted what I had said about it working for me. I shouldn't have been so quick to jump. Let's just call it a draw and move on.
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This said I am posting info on homeopathic HGH, which is intended for the other members. |
But there are some other members who might benefit from it. From what I understand, homeopathy consists of basically putting a small amount of the original component into another solution. A more potent homeopathical solution would be closer to the original component.
mpstat wrote: |
There is an informative web site on HGH worth exploring http://hghtruths.com and posted below is a part of the article on homeopathic HGH. The full article can be found here http://hghtruths.com/homeopathic-and-oral-sprays/have-you-been-nano-scammed/#more-33
Have You Been Nano Scammed?
...Bad enough that an hgh product comes in a spray bottle. However, if the product makes any kind of claim to contain ingredients in nanograms, you can assume that you are being scammed.
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To put this in perspective, you need over one gram of the best amino acid in a gh stack to get some natural hgh release. Probably need more but we are trying to be generous.
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Besides, you can not absorb it through your mouth. No form of human growth hormone is stable in a bottle of water. |
I don't believe it is suspended in water. Also, you need to look at the source. That website is selling other kinds of HGH.
A lot of people use homeopathic solutions. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:23 am |
InkyProse wrote: |
... I don't believe it is suspended in water. Also, you need to look at the source. That website is selling other kinds of HGH.
A lot of people use homeopathic solutions. |
These are my observations - On the image I see a spray bottle, notice a small round white spout in the top of the bottle. The size of the bottle is 1 oz, which tells me that it comes in a liquid form.
As for hghtruths.com web site they do not sell anything. You can see that the ads are placed by ads by Google, and what is interesting the web site critiques some of the products listed in the ads. They provide explanations, and answer questions in a forum-like format. It is one of the most unbiased web sites on HGH I have seen. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:26 pm |
I would be very, very careful about playing around with hormones. No one knows what the long term effects of hormone supplementation are. No one, including the companies that are selling the stuff. What we do know is that there are observable side effects of a serious nature with hormone supplementation--sometimes the benefits are worth it, when the hormones are treating a serious medical condition. Even then, it's hard to do a risk-benefit analysis when doctors have to concede that the long term health consequences are currently unknown.
For some of us, the potential benefits may be worth it. But if it were me, I would only experiment with hormone supplementation under medical supervision and only if I had a medical condition that made the experimentation worthwhile. I felt I had to play Russian roulette with a (non-hormone) drug treatment when I had cancer some years ago, and so far the gamble has been worth it. But when you are looking at a diagnosis of a 30% chance of survival, the risks of an untested treatment were worth it for me. Would I do it for tauter skin and weight loss? Nope. But as always YMMV. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:12 pm |
mpstat wrote: |
InkyProse wrote: |
... I don't believe it is suspended in water. Also, you need to look at the source. That website is selling other kinds of HGH.
A lot of people use homeopathic solutions. |
These are my observations - On the image I see a spray bottle, notice a small round white spout in the top of the bottle. The size of the bottle is 1 oz, which tells me that it comes in a liquid form.
As for hghtruths.com web site they do not sell anything. You can see that the ads are placed by ads by Google, and what is interesting the web site critiques some of the products listed in the ads. They provide explanations, and answer questions in a forum-like format. It is one of the most unbiased web sites on HGH I have seen. |
I must not have seen it correctly. I clicked on an HGH product on the right and it took me to a sales site.
Anyway, I wouldn't exactly call it peer-reviewed literature, if you get my drift.
So you are totally poo-pooing the whole homeopathy industry? |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:15 pm |
flitcraft wrote: |
I would be very, very careful about playing around with hormones. No one knows what the long term effects of hormone supplementation are. No one, including the companies that are selling the stuff. What we do know is that there are observable side effects of a serious nature with hormone supplementation--sometimes the benefits are worth it, when the hormones are treating a serious medical condition. Even then, it's hard to do a risk-benefit analysis when doctors have to concede that the long term health consequences are currently unknown.
For some of us, the potential benefits may be worth it. But if it were me, I would only experiment with hormone supplementation under medical supervision and only if I had a medical condition that made the experimentation worthwhile. I felt I had to play Russian roulette with a (non-hormone) drug treatment when I had cancer some years ago, and so far the gamble has been worth it. But when you are looking at a diagnosis of a 30% chance of survival, the risks of an untested treatment were worth it for me. Would I do it for tauter skin and weight loss? Nope. But as always YMMV. |
Good points. I definitely wouldn't take it if I had had cancer. Still, homeopathy involves taking a very small amount of something to provoke a certain reaction in your body. Post-cancer folks obviously need to be very wary of what they put in their bodies. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:03 pm |
I used for three months at four years ago when I was not the right age to use it. It is realy expensive in the UK and I did not really see any positive result. |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:08 pm |
I am a sucker for any antiaging help I can get but I heard it could give u cancer so I chilled on that one. ![Embarassed](images/smiles/redface.gif) |
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Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:39 pm |
flitcraft - I am with you on medical supervision for actual HGH, and believe some members actually gone this route. It would be interesting to read about their experiences. My understanding that it is illegal in US to get injectable HGH without a prescription.
InkyProse - we have been discussing HGH on this thread. The commentary was relevant to HGH as well as homeopathic doses of HGH, and not to homeopathy in general. |
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