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Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:49 am  |
Anyone interested in helping a real newbie to skin care and antiaging strategies?
I lead a very healthy and active lifestyle and take care of myself in every way but I have been pretty lax about facial care. I did not start using sunscreen until I was in my mid thirties (I am 51) and have always looked pretty good for my age.
Now it is time to start seriously caring for my aging skin-and I have no clue how to set up a regime for myself. I have sensitive, combination skin. I have one sunspot on my face that I am very self conscious about-every photo of myself that is the only thing I see. 
I have never been into makeup or beauty products and am so bewildered as to what to use. I ended up at an Estee Lauder counter and bought some stuff there- the Night Repair serum and the Resislence Lift Extreme moisturizer. I like them though I have not seen any earth shattering changes. I also have tried Reversa products and find they have helped (the Anti-wrinkle cream with 8% glycolic acid in particular).
I don't know where to begin as I said. I have never even had a facial! That must change and as I live near Vancouver a trip to the Essential Spa is planned-but even there-what kind of treatment? What products?
I don't mind spend a bit of money but I want to feel I am getting value and some results.
Help!
(Sorry that my first post is so whiny!) |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:03 am |
| oh yeah, u should start with SKinceuticals Ferulic, giving u extra sun protection and also helps with photo-damage on your skin. it's expensive.. but it works wonders. Ive just started using it about a month back, and i see results already! |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:10 am |
| Retin-A or Tazorac! I'm 27 and just started using them regularly (sporadically before)(and I alternate Tazorac and Retin-A) about 3 months ago and all the fine lines and sunspots I had before are fading. |
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29, Tazorac, PCA cleanser/moisturizer, Clarisonic, Dermaroller/Retin-A/DIY Vit-C, Dry brushing, Ageless if you Dare |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:12 am |
I have heard of this (I am now reading up on skincare everywhere I can).
I am in Canada so need to see where I can get it.
Thanks for your reply. I will definitely keep this product in mind. |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:29 am |
| P Girl wrote: |
| Retin-A or Tazorac! I'm 27 and just started using them regularly (sporadically before)(and I alternate Tazorac and Retin-A) about 3 months ago and all the fine lines and sunspots I had before are fading. |
Can you only get Retin-A through a doctor?
(I am in Canada). Hard to get to see a dermatologist here-can a regular GP prescribe it? |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:42 pm |
| plain and simple wrote: |
I have heard of this (I am now reading up on skincare everywhere I can).
I am in Canada so need to see where I can get it.
Thanks for your reply. I will definitely keep this product in mind. |
You would be doing yourself good service by believing that there is nothing that will eradicate a wrinkle. Moisturizers will make your skin look good but thats about it. I think you are doing fine by just using your sunscreen daily. At night I would use a good antioxidant cream only where you need it. I would use a good exfoliant such as Paula's Choice (not on this site)2% Beta Hydroxy acid to keep your pores clean and clear. |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:20 pm |
i think there is a lot truth in what you say SusieQ.
I don't expect my wrinkles to vanish-I would like clearer, smoother skin with maybe abit of a healthy glow.
What is your skin regime?
You could be saving me a ton of money! |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:31 pm |
You can get both Retin-A and Tazorac online without a prescription fromwww.alldaychemist.com. Lots of people on this board use them and it's dirt cheap to buy the products from them. They do have a $25 shipping charge so buy in bulk.
But to answer your question, yes a regular family practice doc can prescribe these. |
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29, Tazorac, PCA cleanser/moisturizer, Clarisonic, Dermaroller/Retin-A/DIY Vit-C, Dry brushing, Ageless if you Dare |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:51 pm |
Wow. So Canadians can order from here?Sorry to ask but I have find so many forums are orienred to Americans and the info doesn't apply to us Canucks. I don't mind the shipping charge.
So where would I start-can you help me put together an order for someone new to retin A?
I have wanted to try it for a long time but never get around to going to the doctor. |
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havana8
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:39 pm |
| plain and simple wrote: |
Wow. So Canadians can order from here?Sorry to ask but I have find so many forums are orienred to Americans and the info doesn't apply to us Canucks. I don't mind the shipping charge.
So where would I start-can you help me put together an order for someone new to retin A?
I have wanted to try it for a long time but never get around to going to the doctor. |
As far as I know anyone can order from ADC.
Some people prefer to start at a lower percentage of Retin-A and then work their way up. I use the .05% and use it every 2-3 days and I never started at a lower percentage.
If you want to start at a lower percentage then you'll want this:
http://www.alldaychemist.com/single_product_detail.php?productid=1772&isProductID=154/1
If you'd prefer to just go right to something like .05% then you'll want this:
http://www.alldaychemist.com/single_product_detail.php?productid=503&isProductID=154/1
I actually prefer Tazorac (makes my skin look amazing) but have heard that the anti-aging studies were done on Retin-A so that's why I alternate the two. You'll find Tazorac here:
https://www.alldaychemist.com/single_product_detail.php?productid=1402&isProductID=154/1
I've provided the links to the cream because I prefer it. They do come in gel formulation. |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:16 pm |
Hello Plain and Simple,
I think with what Havana sent you you will find pahlenty! of information for your age range. A standard of care for anti-aging would be the following:
Morning - Wash with a Ph balanced cleanser.
Then use a C-serum of some sort. Skinceutical C & E ferulic is excellent. You can also make your own - there is a current thread here that has some wonderful ideas.
Your C-serum can be allowed to sink in for a good 20 minutes and you can add another product over if desired.
You can alternate your C-serum with another anti-aging product of your choice. I use Karin Herzog Vita-Kombi 2 when I don't use the C-serum - for your skin Vita-Kombi 1 might be a good choice. there are so many options.
At night - you definitely want to be using a retin A product - probably 2-3 nights a week to start. Probably .05%. AllDayChemist is a great resource here.
Another highly recommended product by dermatologists is glycolic acid - 5% is supposed to be a percentage. I've just started using alpha-hydrox souffle which is a 12% and very reasonably priced at around $15.00US.
You could use the glycolic acid 2X a week at night when you are NOT using the retin-a. And then other nights maybe another product or just taking a break.
I use a retin a of some form or another at least 4-5 nights a week with no problem. My skin tends to be oily though.
A clarisonic skin brush is nice for cleansing. Expensive but worth it. My favorite night cleanser is Professional Cleasing Crm from Karin Herzog. It's a lovely product. I often use the Clarisonic in the morning with a regular foaming cleanser.
My favorite secret weapon is Doing facial exercises. Agless if you Dare is very popular here.
Also I am using a great duo of products for the undereye area called eye Solutions by Zach Merril. It brightens and lifts the eye and also smooths out creases and bags. Check out the thread for yourself.
Well, that's enough of my advice 
Best of luck in pulling it together and YOU WILL!
Sis |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:30 pm |
ADD THIS:
Must continue with the sunscreen. Physical sunscreen is best. Splurge here. Melashade has been recommended on the forum as a good option at a good price. |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:52 pm |
| plain and simple wrote: |
i think there is a lot truth in what you say SusieQ.
I don't expect my wrinkles to vanish-I would like clearer, smoother skin with maybe abit of a healthy glow.
What is your skin regime?
You could be saving me a ton of money! |
Well plain to cleanse I just use Neutrogena Foaming Face wash, & Paula's Choice spray on sunscreen for day or spf 15 tinted moisturizer. At night, I use Elizabeth Grant's pm serum and if theres a breakout on my chin, Paula's Choice 2% liquid BHA. Thats it. I'm on a green kick right now and I am trying to use as little product as possible. |
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Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:14 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
ADD THIS:
Must continue with the sunscreen. Physical sunscreen is best. Splurge here. Melashade has been recommended on the forum as a good option at a good price. |
Another good physical sunscreen is Epicuren Zinc Oxide sunscreen. |
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:18 am |
| I would definitely keep it simple. A retinoid product (either Retin A or an over the counter product like Avene's Retinaldehyde) at night, and a topical C serum used in the morning under your sunscreen (which you should use every single day). Retin A has been proven to reduce fine lines/wrinkles, and Skinceuticals C, E, Ferulic has been proven to give you greater sun protection than just your sunscreen alone. |
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:04 am |
Another online pharmacy you can buy from without a prescription iswww.inhousepharmacy.com |
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:31 am |
My best advice:
(1) The strongest level of retinoids that your skin can reasonably tolerate - use at night
(2) Vitamin C serum first thing in the AM, first layer of protection as an antioxidant - I prefer Skinmedica C over Skinceuticals because (a) less expensive (b)not as many issues with oxidation (liquid C is very fragile) (c) studies have shown this product to be highly effective
(3) Effective broadspectrum sunscreens, I alternate between Blue Lizard (physical) and Avene Emulsion (chemical)
Hope this helps, BF |
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:36 am |
oh one more thing - I have been doing chemical peels at home, but understand that dermarolling may be a better option.
The dermarolling thread is quite an education
BF |
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:59 am |
| i would highly recommed the alpha derma products. my mum nearly the same age as u .and she u that brand ,very good working with wi\rinkles and lines, |
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:06 am |
Thanks so much for all the info everyone.
I have lots of products to research now that is for sure!
I now have an idea of what my basic products and routine sohould be.
I will probably use a mix of high and low priced products. Karin Herzog's cleanser sounds fantastic but I think this is one place I could buy a drugstore product and be okay.
I am abit leeery about ordering retin A from India (I haven't checked out the second source yet).
I am sorry I didn't reply yesterday-I can only post 5 times a day until I hit 50 posts! 
Okay another questions-I have never been to a spa like EDS.
if I treated myself-what would be a good treatment to get done?
Thank you so much to each of you for taking the time to answer my questions.
I wil have fun looking into all these ideas! |
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:34 am |
| You don't need to worry about ordering from ADC. A lot of people here use them. In fact, there's a thread somewhere here about ordering from ADC. Their products are perfectly fine, they have great prices, and their customer service is pretty good. |
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:45 am |
| P Girl wrote: |
| You don't need to worry about ordering from ADC. A lot of people here use them. In fact, there's a thread somewhere here about ordering from ADC. Their products are perfectly fine, they have great prices, and their customer service is pretty good. |
Okay I trust ya P Girl!
How can the prices there be so cheap? How many tubes do you think I should order?
Any thoughts here on Isomers products?
Also-I will be in Seattle (downtown area only) at the end of the month. Could I get some products down there? Any recs for a good stor/spa?
I live on Vancouver Island -just so people will know what I do and do not have access to!
Barefoot girl- thanks for the Vit C serum rec! I am going to get that one if I can.
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:53 am |
Good luck with your new adventure in Skincareland, plain and simple! There are lots of us here in your age bracket--many of us a bit older, in fact.
I would also encourage you to keep things, as you might say, plain and simple, at least to start. No question that there is the most objective scientific research behind using retinoids (vitamin A based topical products) and vitamin C serums.
Your C serum should be used in the morning because it actually increases the effectiveness of your sunscreen. You should wait at least 15 minutes after applying it before putting on anything else--sunscreen, makeup, moisturizer, etc--because adding additional products will change the pH of the C serum on your skin and make it less effective.
At night, you will want to use a retinoid. They have a long track record of effectiveness but they can cause irritation such as redness, sensitivity, and peeling. For many people, these side effects are temporary. For others, they are not, and for those people, a weaker retinoid may be the best choice. Retin A (by prescription only in the US, over the counter in some countries) is the gold standard for retinoids, but some find it too strong. (There are other prescriptions retinoids, slightly different than Retin A but along the same lines. You'll need to see a dermatologist if you decide to go the prescription route.)
If you want to experiment with an over the counter retinoid, people on the forum have liked Avene's retinaldehyde products like Retrinal and Eluage; Green Cream; and Pure Skin Formulations Retinol, among others. A board search here (or Google) will help you find these products online.
Whichever retinoid you pick,I would start with a lower percentage of active ingredient and phase it in every other night to reduce irritation. But trust us, the inconvenience of initial irritation is definitely worth it!
And, since you will be causing quicker skin turnover, you will need to be totally vigilant with sunscreen of a high degree of protection. Some good ones have already been recommended, and a board search will suggest some others.
Of course, after you have gotten your "plain and simple" skincare routine down, I guarantee if you hang around here you will find other products to add into your daily routine. Welcome aboard!! |
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:05 am |
I think i have pretty sensitive skin so maybe I should start with retinols-though Retin A has me totally intrigued!
I love your advice flitcraft- about waiting 15 minutes before applying other products.
I am taking notes and will put together a regime soon.
I don't want to become completely "consumed" with taking care of my skin-LOL. I think I could though!
I have completely acepted getting older and I don't mind some changes-I just would like to look the best I can while not denying the aging process.
My girls are grown and I want to focus on my myself-a little bit without being self absorbed. there are so many more important things in life right?
I am so impressed by the knowledge here! Thanks again.
Edited to add: EDS doesn't carry Skinceuticals? Seems like they did at one time. |
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