Have you heard of the Wonderbar? Supposedly helps melasma
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free skin care · Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:10 pm

Rub it in DM!!

Seriously though, I don't have any issues with the SLS products. I am going to continue on with this for 2 more weeks. I want to see if I come out of this "healing crisis". I think 1 month is definitely plenty of time to give the bar to work. I have backed off on the time I keep it on my skin, and reduced it to only 3-5 minutes twice a day.

free skin care · Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:15 pm

Well, personally, I beginning to think the WB in combination with Catalyst (and maybe CPs - I'm still using them but I'm not sure they're doing anything) are going to be HG status with me. In fact, I'm liking my skin so much right now, I'd be happy to buy Frodo's extra bars at the price she paid. Shock

free skin care · Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:32 pm

Skippie wrote:

Well, personally, I beginning to think the WB in combination with Catalyst (and maybe CPs - I'm still using them but I'm not sure they're doing anything) are going to be HG status with me. In fact, I'm liking my skin so much right now, I'd be happy to buy Frodo's extra bars at the price she paid. Shock

Wow, that is pretty impressive after only 2 weeks!

free skin care · Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:57 pm

I also hope with all my heart is worth it, girls. I am watching this post very close! I wish there is something better and cheaper than Obagi.

Good luck to you all, you are very brave putting yourselves through all this.

free skin care · Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:06 pm

simpleMD wrote:

I am not using this EVER!!!
...anyone heard or tried Tepezchuite( spelling?) bar ?? I started the same day some of you started using it and my skin is looking better and better every day ...the skin under my eyes was starting to show deeper lines and dark circles they seem lighter to me asnd skin is glowing ACNE CLEARED UP ... and I got that only for few bucks at a local mexican store its amazing am buying the salve/cream they sell and started putting it on under the eye area ...combination has changed the look under the eyes in 1 week....I am amazed....didnt mean to hijack the thread though....if anyone else has used it before I would like to hear from them.....
I hope these uglies subside soon for all of you...

Hey thanks for sharing. Im going to try this. So you use the soap bar, cream and bark powder? I noticed there are different prices for the powder. Any idea why?

Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:56 am

Hi you guys! have to clear up what you have been discussing....totally up to you obviously to give up on the Wonderbar, but hate for you to be misinformed. First of all, I don't know who it was that came on here and started talking about the first ingredient SLS, but that's not the first ingredient....the first ingredient is often confused for SLS, but it is disodium laurly sulfosuccinate- two different things. One MUCH less harsh than the other. Secondly, like i have said before, the first line of ingredients all the way through to the talc (which is no longer in the bar) is put into the bar in the form of a paste, this is a patented process and makes up the base of the bar. The sodium coco-sulfate is there to produce the lather, but in a HIGHLY diluted version and THEN put into the paste. These ingredients are NOT, I repeat NOT responsible for your reactions. The active ingredient, ChloreyNahre, is the expensive ingredient and is directly responsible for your reactions. Nobody on here can speak with any authority or knowledge about this ingredient because it is patented, not found in any other product in the world. THe bar you guys are talking about switching to is drying. Wonderbar has a ph balanced base- no other "bar" product in the world has this base, also patented. The dryness and wrinkles and breakouts in the beginning- are NORMAL. they are EXPECTED and they are from the Chlorey nahre and the Moor. Period. On a more personal level, I can tell you after using the bar for over 14 months that I have been told by a dermatologist and a facialist that my skin is thick and decongested and healthy. This bar has a healing crisis, you all knew that going in..If you have been using it for six weeks and are still in the throws of the healing crisis, it is simply because most of you on here added other exfoliates and products after we recommended a plain moisturizer and sunscreen. SO basically, it was used incorrectly in those cases. Those of you using it as directed and are still experiencing the wrinkles and dry skin, should have kept going, as this is the healing and passes. If you have been using it for a SOLID six weeks correctly and you are still in the healing crisis, I want you to respond to this and tell me about it. I want to know these things, so I can continue gathering all the info I can. I don't think that's the case here, though. I know this from experiencing it with HUNDREDS, now THOUSANDS of people. If you don't want to stick it out, or if you just don't want to give up all the other products, that's fine, but please do not decide that it's "stripping your skin of all its goodness". this is absolutely not true and the people who are saying it do not know what they are talking about, they are misinformed, or at least misinforming you. Someone on here clearly wants to sell another product to you, which I thought was supposed to be unethical to come on here and do anything but give information. Someone even put up a website address.
I hope that helps you all at least understand that you are stopping before getting through the first six weeks, which is the healing and detox phase. It is a good, solid product that works. It's expensive because of the microalgae chlorey nahre. But in the final analysis, you all should come to your own personal conclusion, but you should do so with the correct information because you did make an investment.

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:38 am

While I agree that the dryness/redness is probably not a result of the first two ingredients, I did find this information concerning irritation scores of surfactants:

Table I: Eye Irritation Scores of Common Surfactants

Draize Score

Lauramide DEA 59
Cocamidopropylamine oxide 59
Sodium [C.sub.14-16] olefin sulfonate 39
Sodium lauryl sulfate 32
Cocamidopropyl betaine 24
Sodium laureth sulfate 22
Disodium lauryl sulfosuccinate 18
Disodium laureth sulfosuccinate 14
Disodium cocoamphodiacetate 12
Disodium oleamido MEA sulfosuccinate 4

Table II: Skin Irritation Scores of Common Surfactants

Draize Score
Sodium [C.sub.14-16] olefin sulfonate 5.5
Sodium lauryl sulfate 5.0
Sodium laureth sulfate 4.7
Cocamidopropylamine oxide 3.9
Lauramide
DEA 3.8
Cocamidopropyl betaine 3.8
Disodium lauryl sulfosuccinate 3.4
Disodium laureth sulfosuccinate 1.4
Disodium
cocoamphodiacetate 1.0
Disodium oleamido MEA sulfosuccinate 0.9

This article is also a good read about sodium cocosulfate: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/How+to+formulate+lauryl+sulfate-free+products:+here's+a+useful+guide...-a0118892248

Quote:

Sodium cocosulfate is an excellent replacement for sodium lauryl sulfate because it provides viscosity building properties and a rich dense foam. It is also a useful replacement for diethanolamides which have come under attack in recent years as potential carcinogens.

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:13 am

Well, I am plugging along and think I may have turned a tiny corner. I have a feeling it is due to the humidity that came back into our air last night, but my face felt normal and not dry as a bone last night. This morning, same thing, and by leaving the bar on for only 3-5 minutes I am back to the sticky feel immediately upon drying my skin, which goes away quickly. I had 1 small pimple pop up on my forehead and 1 pop up where I had the major sandpaper feel. The weird thing about these pimples that I have had (about 6 in total) is that they never come to a head, they just seem to go away or sink back into my skin?

At any rate, I am continuing on for 2 more weeks to see what happens.

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:51 am

Guess I'm one of the few that loves how my skin looks, even if I'm starting another healing crisis some. My skin looks clearer, no wrinkles forming, no more black heads, not even dryness or flakes now. Just a few pimples coming out again along with some milia that could have been there for ages. I know I have them under my eye area especially.

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:51 am

I'm thinking a lotion mask might help with the dryness.

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:25 pm

Thanks Bethany for the vote of confidence...I appreciate it ...
I am not selling any soap bars I am more of a buyer than a seller ..lol
This WB lady seems little anxious to protect "her" product when I only gave my opinion about a product I used and recommended to others .....I have been around and just wanted to share something that worked for me....
I am not pushing you to buy one I only posted sites after searching because I bought mine at a local store... Funny how people get snippy when a better product is mentioned and they are at verge of Losing business...ummm that shows to me that this product is not worth even trying:)

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:26 pm

I had another question about the wonderbar ( for the ladies using it and/or Tiffany)

Do you use wonderbar around your eye area too? And if you do , does it remove make-up ( mascara and liners and such) ?

I know your not suppose to use other products in the beginning stages ( except plain moisturizers) but what about an eye cream? Is that a no no with wonderbar?

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:11 pm

Tia2010 wrote:

I had another question about the wonderbar ( for the ladies using it and/or Tiffany)

Do you use wonderbar around your eye area too? And if you do , does it remove make-up ( mascara and liners and such) ?

I know your not suppose to use other products in the beginning stages ( except plain moisturizers) but what about an eye cream? Is that a no no with wonderbar?

I'm using the WB on my undereye but not on my eyelids. I've had no irritation problems but I do remove my eye makeup with cold cream first. I don't know if it's the WB or the Bright-I serum I'm using, but my dark circles and puffiness are so much better. I'll never use the WB to remove eye makeup/mascara.

Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:09 pm

Hi,
I am only anxious to clarify. Want to answer all questions, but very difficult to keep up! I traveling, so from now on please email me direct at Tiffany@wonderbarusa.com. I will do my best to answer all questions and if you wish to post my answers, please feel free!

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:30 pm

Sorry everyone else does not like the WB, I'm continuing to use it and pleased with things so far. My skin hasn't looked this clear in ages. Prior I was using 6 different cleansers, cabinet full, and this at least gets rid of my blackheads.

Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:35 pm

Very expensive!

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:54 pm

Expensive, yeah, but worth it to me if it works. I recently spent $65 on a cleanser that went quickly and did nothing.

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:55 pm

I am glad whitewolf its working for you.

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:57 pm

WhiteWolf wrote:

Expensive, yeah, but I've spent more on cleansers hoping they would work. Think the most was $65.

Me too, WhiteWolf. And if I stick with WB and Catalyst like I'm beginning to think I will, I'm going to be saving lots of money, even though the two products are expensive in comparison to some others, because I won't be throwing my money away on everything that comes along (like I've been doing since I joined this forum).

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:33 pm

Can someone explain to me what is this "healing crisis" that some people are talking about?

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:39 pm

A healing crisis is when you experience symptoms from diseases and toxins that are released during your detoxification process.

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:40 pm

Josee wrote:

Can someone explain to me what is this "healing crisis" that some people are talking about?

Josee, you can take a look at the Wonderbar website. She explains a little of it there.

http://wonderbarusa.com/healing-crisis/

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:42 pm

rileygirl wrote:

Josee wrote:

Can someone explain to me what is this "healing crisis" that some people are talking about?

Josee, you can take a look at the Wonderbar website. She explains a little of it there.

http://wonderbarusa.com/healing-crisis/

Thanks!

I'm curious about the biology behind this phrase:

"This happens as the toxins trapped under the skin are flushed out. "

Which toxins are trapped under the skin? And what does it mean "under the skin"? The dermis? The epidermis??

This does not make much biological sense to me.

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:49 pm

Josee wrote:

Thanks!

I'm curious about the biology behind this phrase:

"This happens as the toxins trapped under the skin are flushed out. "

Which toxins are trapped under the skin? And what does it mean "under the skin"? The dermis? The epidermis??

This does not make much biological sense to me.

Josee, I would love for you to get answers to your questions! I think you will have to email Tiffany for your questions. If you do and you get some answers, would you please post them here on the forum?

wonderbar wrote:

Hi,
I am only anxious to clarify. Want to answer all questions, but very difficult to keep up! I traveling, so from now on please email me direct at Tiffany@wonderbarusa.com. I will do my best to answer all questions and if you wish to post my answers, please feel free!

free skin care · Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:05 pm

rileygirl wrote:

Josee, I would love for you to get answers to your questions! I think you will have to email Tiffany for your questions. If you do and you get some answers, would you please post them here on the forum?

wonderbar wrote:

Hi,
I am only anxious to clarify. Want to answer all questions, but very difficult to keep up! I traveling, so from now on please email me direct at Tiffany@wonderbarusa.com. I will do my best to answer all questions and if you wish to post my answers, please feel free!

Actually, I would love for Josee to just take a look at the ingredients, much as Lacy has done...the 2 of them together can probably tell us what we need to know! Kind of like a WB science thread....I LOVE that kind of thinking and resulting info! (I think it also is what separates EDS from the typical skincare forum)

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