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Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:43 pm  |
Does anyone use Botox to weaken the forehead muscles and exercises to lift the cheeks and lower face? This makes complete sense to me but I've never seen it mentioned here. I have avoided Botox, trying everything else instead. I finally caved and got it only on my 11's in January. It has been wonderful for me. I held tension in that spot all the time. That spot on my face was sore from the constant exertion of those muscles and caused me to have headaches. Safetox helped and I loved the relaxing effect of the Safetox but if I didn't use it for a week or so, the headaches came back. The Botox has been a better solution for me. It erased the lines and lo and behold, it got rid of the bulge that I had between my eyebrows.
Facial exercises have helped to lift my cheeks, firm up my jaw line and lift my eyelids, so I want to continue it in those areas. On the other hand, it has done nothing for the lines on my forehead or my crows feet. So, I'm considering having a partial freeze done on my forehead and on the corners of my eyes when I go to have my 11's updated. I don't want a full freeze. I just want to reduce the intensity of the movement in those areas.
Does anyone else combine Botox and face exercises? Is this a bad idea? |
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:06 pm |
Hi Tonia - I did this for awhile and it's fine. Don't worry....
I held a lot of tension in my forehead also - I looked downright mean I thought with my forehead so pinched. I botoxed the 11's only for a few years. Now the intense, nasty look does not happen - the botox helped ease the strong tendency of the 11's/muscles which I believe I needed. I started facial exercies probably three years ago and had botox then and just didn't do the forehead - did everythign else.
Edited to add I have not done botox anywhere else so cannot help there. 11's only. |
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:27 pm |
| Thank you for your reply, Sis. I have wondered if I will be able to stop the Botox once those muscles calm down a bit. I bet I'll be able to stop eventually like you did. |
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:29 pm |
Hi Tonia,
I'm actually thinking of having botox for the horizontal lines on forehead, no 11's really yet, but bulging muscles starting there...
I love facial exercises, great results neck, jawline, cheeks,... but no results on forehead horizontal lines, and little on crows feet. Well, the lines haven't got worse after two years ex. but they haven't gone either, and depending on the day they do look a bit more ingrained -I don't tend to look worried but perplexed which makes the horizontal lines ingrain.
I'm considering myself some botox on forehead, and don't see why this should interfere with going on with my exercises for cheeks, neck, etc.
Please, report on what you decide or if you find something better for the forehead and eye area.  |
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Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:20 am |
Why not start wearing bangs? More flattering for most women and a helluva lot cheaper.  |
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Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:37 am |
| I bet my forehead lines were worse than most of you guys....had them sense childhood. I found Safetox,the Stop, and Lightstim....and FROWNIES all help to almost totally eliminate them. BUT I do not any longer do any of the facial exercises that deal with the forehead. I have experimented on and off with doing the forehead ex. and for me they interfere with the muscles laying down and flat and that is what the Safetox is training them to do. When I have been on the Safetox regime to get them trained to lay flat I must then remember to do the Safetox maintenance. Also I must remember to do the frownies...when I am on the maintenance for each of these devices when is not much on that phase they are for the most part eliminated. |
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Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:41 pm |
| Toby, you've made me laugh... keep the brown/forehead 'still' then, it makes sense to me... |
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Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:25 pm |
| I only do two forehead exercises and one is actually more for the occipital muscles and to pull the upper face back and up (first exercise on Flex Effect - Love that one). The other is more for the eyebrows - keeping them "UP". This is one of CM's in the 8 minute superset. Yes I know them all! |
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Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:40 am |
Botox above my eyes has been AWESOME for wrinkles and headaches.
The other half of this question is about exercising the lower face. Well........  |
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Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:31 pm |
| RuthMarion wrote: |
Botox above my eyes has been AWESOME for wrinkles and headaches.
The other half of this question is about exercising the lower face. Well........ |
You mean on the forehead, right? Thanks.
Sistersweets, do you still get botox or have you managed to control the muscles with the two ex. you mention? My 'problem' is more to do with the horizontal forehead lines, I simply dont't have any eleven's, but interested in knowing how it has worked out for you. Thanks. |
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Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:53 pm |
| Botox can erase those pesky crows feet that really make you look old when you smile.It also helps to take that mean frown away and smooth out the 11's and forehead wrinkles.I have bangs so I dont worry much about that but I do it for the crows and it makes a HUGE difference. |
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:05 am |
Forehead, yes. Crows feet, yes. 
I'm still waiting to hear about the perfect exercise for my cheeks and jawline....... |
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:08 am |
Wow, I haven't gotten the notices for this thread. I thought the thread had died. So, I'll try to respond to everyone.
Softskin, I can't really wear bangs. I have kinky, curly hair and bangs come off looking like a big poof ball. I talked to my hairdresser about it bc of the lines on my forehead and she said it would be easier to address the lines than the bangs. |
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:18 am |
| RuthMarion, I like Flex Effect for cheeks and jawline. I tried Facercise. I liked it but wanted something with some more oomph. So, I tried Ageless and never quite got it. The way you grasp your face in that one felt weird to me. So, I finally got FE and it is simple, and works much better for me. Now, if only I would have started with that one. By trying to save money, I wasted money. Oh, and it's a whole series of exercises. It's not something that we can just tell you. I'm sorry. I wish it was that simple but I can say it's worth the money. |
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Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:27 am |
Toby, what do you do for maintenance with the Safetox? I was using it every day and then quit all together. Maybe I should try a maintenance program.
I woke up this morning with a splitting headache. The whole right side of head hurt, down my neck and into my shoulder. I looked in the mirror and saw that the Botox between my brows is wearing off. Maybe I should use my Safetox until I can get in to update the Botox. |
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:28 pm |
| Tonia wrote: |
| Thank you for your reply, Sis. I have wondered if I will be able to stop the Botox once those muscles calm down a bit. I bet I'll be able to stop eventually like you did. |
I had botox for the crow's feet because mine were getting bad. No lines in the morning, but after just an hour of avid expressions (I express a lot when I speak), I'd have all sorts of lines and it was getting depressing.
So I did it every three months for a year. Then I stopped because of budget and I have to say, that was 2 years ago and my crow's feet are still very subtle. It was like the Botox just calmed down the expression and retrained the muscles. Now it would take me a whole day and night of expressive talking to get to where I was after just an hour before.
However, I do think I'll do it again at some point, but just much lighter because the thing with botoxing crow's feet is that if it's too strong it makes your cheeks sag down a little and your eyes too immobile, too placid.. and you look a little funny/weird. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:03 am |
| Tonia wrote: |
| RuthMarion, I like Flex Effect for cheeks and jawline. I tried Facercise. I liked it but wanted something with some more oomph. So, I tried Ageless and never quite got it. The way you grasp your face in that one felt weird to me. So, I finally got FE and it is simple, and works much better for me. Now, if only I would have started with that one. By trying to save money, I wasted money. Oh, and it's a whole series of exercises. It's not something that we can just tell you. I'm sorry. I wish it was that simple but I can say it's worth the money. |
Funny you should say that....... I ordered a new Flex Effect package and it arrived yesterday. Thank you for having a direct answer relating to exercise and botox. The injections have stopped my lifelong battle with stress headaches so I want to keep up with them as long as I can. I suppose that it's natural at my age to have some sagging in the cheek/jawline area so today I am going to start with My Flex Effet facial building workout
As an aside, I have a spare set of an older version of Flex Effect. If anyone is interested pm me. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:51 am |
| BelleFlower wrote: |
| Then I stopped because of budget and I have to say, that was 2 years ago and my crow's feet are still very subtle. It was like the Botox just calmed down the expression and retrained the muscles. Now it would take me a whole day and night of expressive talking to get to where I was after just an hour before. |
Belleflower, that is wonderful! You sound just like me. I can wake up in the morning with smooth skin and after an hour or so, the lines look awful. The worst is when I go to a special event. I'll leave the house looking good. After an hour or so, I'll look in the mirror and find that the lines on my face have gotten very deep from the expressions I have made during the party. I hope I can stop the botox after a while like you and Sis did.
I got my 11's updated on Friday and had a partial freeze done on my forehead and crows feet. It's too early to tell but the lady who injected the Botox seemed to think my approach made sense. Time will tell! |
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:20 am |
| RuthMarion wrote: |
Funny you should say that....... I ordered a new Flex Effect package and it arrived yesterday. Thank you for having a direct answer relating to exercise and botox. The injections have stopped my lifelong battle with stress headaches so I want to keep up with them as long as I can. |
You're welcome! Best of luck with the Flex Effect. |
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:22 am |
| Tonia wrote: |
Belleflower, that is wonderful! You sound just like me. I can wake up in the morning with smooth skin and after an hour or so, the lines look awful. The worst is when I go to a special event. I'll leave the house looking good. After an hour or so, I'll look in the mirror and find that the lines on my face have gotten very deep from the expressions I have made during the party. I hope I can stop the botox after a while like you and Sis did.
I got my 11's updated on Friday and had a partial freeze done on my forehead and crows feet. It's too early to tell but the lady who injected the Botox seemed to think my approach made sense. Time will tell! |
Good luck with it! It's not a permanent fix; I know I'll have to botox the area again, but I think I'll be able to do it "lighter" and wait more time in between.
Right now I'm doing some Carole Maggio facercise things, just a few, and that with my skin care looks pretty good. |
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Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:29 pm |
| I wanted to give an update for those of you who were interested. This combination has worked out beautifully for me. The exercises have lifted my cheeks and jawline while the Botox has smoothed out my forehead and crows feet. It's the best my skin has looked in years! I am very pleased with the results. By the way, the Botox didn't cost nearly as much as I thought it would. |
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Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:16 pm |
| Toby wrote: |
| I bet my forehead lines were worse than most of you guys....had them sense childhood. I found Safetox,the Stop, and Lightstim....and FROWNIES all help to almost totally eliminate them. BUT I do not any longer do any of the facial exercises that deal with the forehead. I have experimented on and off with doing the forehead ex. and for me they interfere with the muscles laying down and flat and that is what the Safetox is training them to do. When I have been on the Safetox regime to get them trained to lay flat I must then remember to do the Safetox maintenance. Also I must remember to do the frownies...when I am on the maintenance for each of these devices when is not much on that phase they are for the most part eliminated. |
Hey Toby! I'm glad this thread has been revived as I was interested in the discussion because I too have the frowny look with the bulging inbetween the eyebrows. I dont have lines so much as bulges like the OP. I did wind up buying the safetox but it hasnt eased up on the bulges. Is Botox the only thing that will push those forehead muscles down to lay flat? |
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Mon May 02, 2011 7:16 pm |
| This is exactly what I do, I have to botox my 11's and little of my forehead, exercises won't get rid of that. I'm on the fence about crows feet, might do those next time. But I exercise cheeks and down. I'm not as consistent as I should be, but I think I'm better than not doing them at all. |
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Thu May 05, 2011 5:16 pm |
| any one try frownies for the forehead and crows feet? |
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Thu May 05, 2011 5:20 pm |
| dickymoe wrote: |
| any one try frownies for the forehead and crows feet? |
Oh yes I must have stock in forwnies...wear them every night on the forehead....don't have crows feet but if I did they would go there too!  |
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