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Tue May 12, 2009 7:26 am  |
Following on from the sunscreen rant thread, can anyone recommend a sunscreen that won't react with makeup, and has a high PPD? (>20). I never really burn, and its really the tanning and aging I am concerned with..
If its true that chemical sunscreens react with and are disabled by makeup, and physical sunscreens have low PPDs (up to 8 ) - what is a girl to do??
Can anyone with better knowledge than me please recommend a good compromise?
PS Why do people seem to be less concerned with the PPD? If its aging you want to prevent, then isn't this an important factor? I'm genuinely asking cos I'm a little confused here! :S |
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Tue May 12, 2009 9:00 am |
| It is not true that all chemical sunscreens will react with makeup. The problem arises when you have mineral makeup and avobenzone in your sunscreen. Avobenzone and/or minerals like titanium dioxide/zinc oxide need to be coated to prevent the avobenzone from losing its effectiveness. So you can choose a chemical sunscreen with no avobenzone like Avene Emulsion or one with coated Avobenzone like La Roche Posay Anthelios (which contains minerals- Titanium Dioxide) and you will be fine! |
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Tue May 12, 2009 9:14 am |
OOo thank you! So I can continue using my LRP Anthelios XL - I think it has a PPD of 26 or so?
Gosh, choosing a sunscreen is such a tricky affair, but I do like my LRP (if a bit greasy) and will continue with this  |
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32, still using: OCM, vitc C, epidermx, ageless (for my lips), now added clarisonic, silk pillow and Aldi skincare! Skin is better than ever 31, medium olive skin, combination-oily. Staples: epidermx II, OCM, retin-a, vit c powder, facial exercises (ageless). |
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Wed May 13, 2009 3:26 am |
| amonavis wrote: |
| It is not true that all chemical sunscreens will react with makeup. The problem arises when you have mineral makeup and avobenzone in your sunscreen. Avobenzone and/or minerals like titanium dioxide/zinc oxide need to be coated to prevent the avobenzone from losing its effectiveness. So you can choose a chemical sunscreen with no avobenzone like Avene Emulsion or one with coated Avobenzone like La Roche Posay Anthelios (which contains minerals- Titanium Dioxide) and you will be fine! |
So if I use Anthelios I can use mineral makeup? My concerns are again and hyperpigmentation. I was sure physical ss was the way to go but now I'm not so sure. I'm still a little confused..(so sorry) Can I use a mineral makeup with a sunscreen that has no or coated avobenzone? My thought process is...it's not realistic for me to re-apply my ss on most days since I wear make-up so I thought if I used mineral makeup with ss I could re-apply the makeup throughout the day to get some added protection. Please excuse my ignorance..I am new to all this and with 3 children I don't have much time to figure it out
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Wed May 13, 2009 12:52 pm |
Yes it is fine to combine Anthelios with mineral makeup. If you are using Anthelios, be assured that you are using one of the best sunscreens on the market.
I agree it is kind of greasy, but the european version is for some reason way less greasy than the canadian version.
Loumomofthree : It is up to you to choose between chemical or physical sunscreens. My personal preference is for something like Antehlios which contains both. I like the fact that it has a higher PPD rating. I just think you should pick one that you like enough to use consistently, because let's face it, if you don't like it, you won't want to put it on, and you won't be doing your face much good. With sunscreen it is all about consistency and not just putting it on once in a while, but every single day!
Yes you can use a mineral makeup with a sunscreen that has no avo or coated avo. Just make sure the avo is not uncoated. How can you tell? You would have to contact the manufacturer. I just happen to know that the Avo in Anthelios is coated. I agree that reapplication esp with makeup is annoying. If you can do it even once it would be great but honestly I rarely reapply and I still feel OK with that. I think its more of a concern when using sub par sunscreens which degrate quickly under sunlight. |
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Thu May 14, 2009 10:54 am |
In the US, we do not have PPD rating for UVA.  Very sad. So how do you know the PPD rating for Anthelios? |
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Thu May 14, 2009 3:53 pm |
UVA = ageing rays
UVB = burning rays
I like Bioderma Photoderm MAX fluide spf50/ppd35
$30/40 ml @ Skincarecentral.biz
Ingredients
Water (Aqua), Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Octocrylene, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol (Tinosorb M), Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethan, Cyclomethicone, Alcohol Dentat., C-20-22 Alkyl Phosphate, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine (Tinosorb S), PTFE, C-20-22 Alcohols, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ectoin, Mannitol, Xylitol, Rhamnose, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Laminaria Ochroleuca Extract, Decyl Glucoside, Xanthan Gum, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxide, Propylene Glycol, Citric Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Ethylparaben.
Cosmetically elegant and not greasy. I like that it doesn't have TiDo which dries my skin and makes it look metallic no matter how far down the list. |
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Thu May 14, 2009 5:26 pm |
| amonavis wrote: |
Yes it is fine to combine Anthelios with mineral makeup. If you are using Anthelios, be assured that you are using one of the best sunscreens on the market.
I agree it is kind of greasy, but the european version is for some reason way less greasy than the canadian version.
Loumomofthree : It is up to you to choose between chemical or physical sunscreens. My personal preference is for something like Antehlios which contains both. I like the fact that it has a higher PPD rating. I just think you should pick one that you like enough to use consistently, because let's face it, if you don't like it, you won't want to put it on, and you won't be doing your face much good. With sunscreen it is all about consistency and not just putting it on once in a while, but every single day!
Yes you can use a mineral makeup with a sunscreen that has no avo or coated avo. Just make sure the avo is not uncoated. How can you tell? You would have to contact the manufacturer. I just happen to know that the Avo in Anthelios is coated. I agree that reapplication esp with makeup is annoying. If you can do it even once it would be great but honestly I rarely reapply and I still feel OK with that. I think its more of a concern when using sub par sunscreens which degrate quickly under sunlight. |
Thanks so much
I wear sunscreen daily..since I live in South Florida. I'm fighting the sun ray's and I NEVER go without out it.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out what ss would be better for my personal issues. Which are aging and hyperpigmentation? Is chemical or physical ss better for different issues or situations? Example..Is one better for young skin vs mature skin. Is one better for everyday use vs one that should be used if I'm spending day outside at beach or zoo?
...sorry to be a pain but I really need to figure this out.
Thanks, Lou |
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Thu May 14, 2009 10:15 pm |
| I always choose spf30pa+++,However, acne will be caused . |
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Fri May 15, 2009 5:52 am |
The confusion over sunscreens is never-ending! One comforting fact is that sunscreen is one of the few over-the-counter products that is actually subject to stringent testing regarding its effectiveness and package labelling. So if a sunscreen is rated SPF30 then it should be providing protection from the sun for x amount of time - and this should be the same for all sunscreens with this rating. Then there is the question of whether to use a chemical or physical one and people seem to be quite opinionated about which is best for the skin.
I live in tropical Australia, skin cancer capitol of the world, and have to say that I find most Australian physical sunscreens too greasy and I have an allergic reaction to some of the chemical ones. Therefore, my vote is for the Japanese sunscreens such as Sofina or Sunkiller. They're non greasy and are fabulous under makeup because they act like a primer. However, this is probably due to the fact that they contain 'cones - a fact that would put some people off. Still, my reasoning is that Japanese women are the most obsessive in the world about protecting their faces from the sun - so if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me! |
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Fri May 15, 2009 6:02 am |
I like Avene SPF 50 personally. I am ghostly fair and as a redhead prone to freckles plus with a fmaily history of skin cancer I am somewhat paranoid abotu protecting my skin.
Just to add extra 'fun' I also suffer breakouts on my T Zone if I use thick or oily products and mild rosacea on my cheeks if I use anything irritating!
The Avene seems to cover all bases without being thick. white or gloopy it protects my skin without irritating my rosacea or causing breakouts, its isn't greasy and my make up doesn't slide off. This protected my skin even on a holiday to Orlando - not even an extra freckle appeared! (I am talking about a person who burns in the shade in the UK on a hazy day at temps of 19/20c without SPF!!!)
I understand that European sunscreens tend to have higher PPD's and are more photo stable due to FDA approvals taking an age in the USA.
Its a tricky one and I think a certain amount of trial and error is involved. |
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Tue May 19, 2009 8:11 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
UVA = ageing rays
UVB = burning rays
I like Bioderma Photoderm MAX fluide spf50/ppd35
$30/40 ml @ Skincarecentral.biz
Ingredients
Water (Aqua), Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Octocrylene, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol (Tinosorb M), Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethan, Cyclomethicone, Alcohol Dentat., C-20-22 Alkyl Phosphate, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine (Tinosorb S), PTFE, C-20-22 Alcohols, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ectoin, Mannitol, Xylitol, Rhamnose, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Laminaria Ochroleuca Extract, Decyl Glucoside, Xanthan Gum, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxide, Propylene Glycol, Citric Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Ethylparaben.
Cosmetically elegant and not greasy. I like that it doesn't have TiDo which dries my skin and makes it look metallic no matter how far down the list. |
Fawnie I don't see avobenzone in the product list, so you're saying you can use a mineral makeup over Bioderma then???
I love Bioderma SS and would love to try Laura Mercier Mineral Finishing Powder over it if I can. |
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Wed May 20, 2009 5:41 am |
| Has anyone tried Soleo sunscreen? It was ranked #1 by EWG and I'm dying to try it! |
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Wed May 20, 2009 7:51 pm |
hi mowgli,
I use Anthelios Fluid Extreme, it's very light and probably the least problematic sunscreen I've ever used. The whiteness doesn't last for long and it's not greasy! The PPD is 28. The only thing that concerns me is that the lack of greasiness is what keeps a sunscreen water resistant and I wonder how much sunscreen is left after I apply light foundation and powder? I'm almost wary of the fact that it's so good! The bottle is small and runs out too quickly for my liking but other than that it's very good (even for me and my oily t-zone!)
Agree with fawnie about Bioderma regarding the elegant texture, it's not greasy but can be rather white at first. I can't remember why, but something concerned me about Bioderma, I think I read a review that said that they still got a tan with it? If so, that's not so good, but who knows perhaps the user didn't apply it properly. |
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Medium toned , oily skin, lover of sunblock and anti-ageing products & supplements. On a perpetual quest for the perfect v. high PPD, non greasy sunblock! |
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Wed May 20, 2009 8:23 pm |
I think that was me who was getting the tan with the Bioderma. However, I agree that the fluide max tinted moisturizer is about as good as it gets for the chemical sunscreens with high ppds. i never got a tan with that specific formulation.
you can apparently wear powder over the top, but i never did.
--avalange
| Camelia wrote: |
hi mowgli,
I use Anthelios Fluid Extreme, it's very light and probably the least problematic sunscreen I've ever used. The whiteness doesn't last for long and it's not greasy! The PPD is 28. The only thing that concerns me is that the lack of greasiness is what keeps a sunscreen water resistant and I wonder how much sunscreen is left after I apply light foundation and powder? I'm almost wary of the fact that it's so good! The bottle is small and runs out too quickly for my liking but other than that it's very good (even for me and my oily t-zone!)
Agree with fawnie about Bioderma regarding the elegant texture, it's not greasy but can be rather white at first. I can't remember why, but something concerned me about Bioderma, I think I read a review that said that they still got a tan with it? If so, that's not so good, but who knows perhaps the user didn't apply it properly. |
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Wed May 20, 2009 8:33 pm |
| Right now my favorite summer sunscreen is Pratima. It has 18.6% zinc oxide and is pretty good aesthetically. Devita is still a favorite, but it has slightly less zinc oxide- 14%. |
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Thu May 21, 2009 10:00 am |
| Nimue wrote: |
| Right now my favorite summer sunscreen is Pratima. It has 18.6% zinc oxide and is pretty good aesthetically. Devita is still a favorite, but it has slightly less zinc oxide- 14%. |
What's the other active ingredients in Pratima? |
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Thu May 21, 2009 4:49 pm |
| Mishey wrote: |
| fawnie wrote: |
UVA = ageing rays
UVB = burning rays
I like Bioderma Photoderm MAX fluide spf50/ppd35
$30/40 ml @ Skincarecentral.biz
Ingredients
Water (Aqua), Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Octocrylene, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol (Tinosorb M), Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethan, Cyclomethicone, Alcohol Dentat., C-20-22 Alkyl Phosphate, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine (Tinosorb S), PTFE, C-20-22 Alcohols, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ectoin, Mannitol, Xylitol, Rhamnose, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Laminaria Ochroleuca Extract, Decyl Glucoside, Xanthan Gum, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxide, Propylene Glycol, Citric Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Ethylparaben.
Cosmetically elegant and not greasy. I like that it doesn't have TiDo which dries my skin and makes it look metallic no matter how far down the list. |
Fawnie I don't see avobenzone in the product list, so you're saying you can use a mineral makeup over Bioderma then???
I love Bioderma SS and would love to try Laura Mercier Mineral Finishing Powder over it if I can. |
Mishey,
It does contain avobenzone, it's just disguised as "butyl 4methoxydibenzoylmethane". The reason I like it is that it has high PPD (35) plus SPF of 50 or higher and doesn't have Titanium dioxide which makes my skin look dry. I haven't tanned at all with it. And it is a nice lightweight base for foundation if I want to apply it. |
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✪ My go-to products: MyFawnie.BigCartel.com ✪ |
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Thu May 21, 2009 10:51 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
| Mishey wrote: |
| fawnie wrote: |
UVA = ageing rays
UVB = burning rays
I like Bioderma Photoderm MAX fluide spf50/ppd35
$30/40 ml @ Skincarecentral.biz
Ingredients
Water (Aqua), Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Octocrylene, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol (Tinosorb M), Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethan, Cyclomethicone, Alcohol Dentat., C-20-22 Alkyl Phosphate, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine (Tinosorb S), PTFE, C-20-22 Alcohols, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ectoin, Mannitol, Xylitol, Rhamnose, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Laminaria Ochroleuca Extract, Decyl Glucoside, Xanthan Gum, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxide, Propylene Glycol, Citric Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Ethylparaben.
Cosmetically elegant and not greasy. I like that it doesn't have TiDo which dries my skin and makes it look metallic no matter how far down the list. |
Fawnie I don't see avobenzone in the product list, so you're saying you can use a mineral makeup over Bioderma then???
I love Bioderma SS and would love to try Laura Mercier Mineral Finishing Powder over it if I can. |
Mishey,
It does contain avobenzone, it's just disguised as "butyl 4methoxydibenzoylmethane". The reason I like it is that it has high PPD (35) plus SPF of 50 or higher and doesn't have Titanium dioxide which makes my skin look dry. I haven't tanned at all with it. And it is a nice lightweight base for foundation if I want to apply it. |
I thought Avobenzone is extremely unstable and will react to anything you apply on top, ie makeup...? |
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Asian. Near 30. Prone to broken caps, moles + freckles, large congested pores, hormonal cystic acne, flaky skin and fat puffy eyelids. Staples: Bioderma SS, Taz, Dr. Kassy's C, Skinoren, HQ, Cerave and growth factors-- but also trying EVERYTHING ELSE..... |
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Fri May 22, 2009 9:43 am |
| Josee wrote: |
| Has anyone tried Soleo sunscreen? It was ranked #1 by EWG and I'm dying to try it! |
I have this Josee, and it's very good in terms of protection--it's not really a cosmetic sunscreen though. It's quite thick and a little rich, but it's not nearly as bad as ones like Badger in terms of it being balm-like. I haven't had any trouble with breakouts, though it could be a bit much for some skin... It can leave a white cast if you don't rub it in really well, too. I think it's great for exercise and long days out in the sun, but I go with Devita for everyday wear. |
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early 30s; combo skin: medium-fair pale with freckles, controlled breakouts. Love: argan and tamanu oil, Devita SS, NCN rhassoul cleansing bar, pumpkin peel, DIY Vit C serum. Getting into more DIY... Fan of natural/organic products. |
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Sat May 23, 2009 12:42 am |
| fawnie wrote: |
| Mishey wrote: |
| fawnie wrote: |
UVA = ageing rays
UVB = burning rays
I like Bioderma Photoderm MAX fluide spf50/ppd35
$30/40 ml @ Skincarecentral.biz
Ingredients
Water (Aqua), Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Octocrylene, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol (Tinosorb M), Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethan, Cyclomethicone, Alcohol Dentat., C-20-22 Alkyl Phosphate, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine (Tinosorb S), PTFE, C-20-22 Alcohols, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ectoin, Mannitol, Xylitol, Rhamnose, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Laminaria Ochroleuca Extract, Decyl Glucoside, Xanthan Gum, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxide, Propylene Glycol, Citric Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Ethylparaben.
Cosmetically elegant and not greasy. I like that it doesn't have TiDo which dries my skin and makes it look metallic no matter how far down the list. |
Fawnie I don't see avobenzone in the product list, so you're saying you can use a mineral makeup over Bioderma then???
I love Bioderma SS and would love to try Laura Mercier Mineral Finishing Powder over it if I can. |
Mishey,
It does contain avobenzone, it's just disguised as "butyl 4methoxydibenzoylmethane". The reason I like it is that it has high PPD (35) plus SPF of 50 or higher and doesn't have Titanium dioxide which makes my skin look dry. I haven't tanned at all with it. And it is a nice lightweight base for foundation if I want to apply it. |
Thanks Fawnie.
I guess I'm gonna have to email the company and ask if it's coated then. I hope they respond. |
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Sat May 23, 2009 5:11 am |
| KBLang wrote: |
I have this Josee, and it's very good in terms of protection--it's not really a cosmetic sunscreen though. It's quite thick and a little rich, but it's not nearly as bad as ones like Badger in terms of it being balm-like. I haven't had any trouble with breakouts, though it could be a bit much for some skin... It can leave a white cast if you don't rub it in really well, too. I think it's great for exercise and long days out in the sun, but I go with Devita for everyday wear. |
Thank you! I am looking for an "outdoors" sunscreen and this one seems good |
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37, light brown hair, green eyes, very fair skin. Oily T zone, broken capillaries... Current regime: Tretinoin 0.05% every night, hydroquinone 4% twice per day, lachydran every other day, random moisturizers and sunscreen |
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Sun May 24, 2009 10:51 am |
| Mishey wrote: |
| fawnie wrote: |
| Mishey wrote: |
| fawnie wrote: |
UVA = ageing rays
UVB = burning rays
I like Bioderma Photoderm MAX fluide spf50/ppd35
$30/40 ml @ Skincarecentral.biz
Ingredients
Water (Aqua), Dicaprylyl Carbonate, Octocrylene, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol (Tinosorb M), Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethan, Cyclomethicone, Alcohol Dentat., C-20-22 Alkyl Phosphate, Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine (Tinosorb S), PTFE, C-20-22 Alcohols, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ectoin, Mannitol, Xylitol, Rhamnose, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Laminaria Ochroleuca Extract, Decyl Glucoside, Xanthan Gum, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Hydroxide, Propylene Glycol, Citric Acid, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Ethylparaben.
Cosmetically elegant and not greasy. I like that it doesn't have TiDo which dries my skin and makes it look metallic no matter how far down the list. |
Fawnie I don't see avobenzone in the product list, so you're saying you can use a mineral makeup over Bioderma then???
I love Bioderma SS and would love to try Laura Mercier Mineral Finishing Powder over it if I can. |
Mishey,
It does contain avobenzone, it's just disguised as "butyl 4methoxydibenzoylmethane". The reason I like it is that it has high PPD (35) plus SPF of 50 or higher and doesn't have Titanium dioxide which makes my skin look dry. I haven't tanned at all with it. And it is a nice lightweight base for foundation if I want to apply it. |
Thanks Fawnie.
I guess I'm gonna have to email the company and ask if it's coated then. I hope they respond. |
Mishey, please share with us whatever info you get when you hear back from them. I also use Bioderma and recently learned about this whole coated- avobenzone dilemma and would love to find out more. TIA! |
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Asian. Near 30. Prone to broken caps, moles + freckles, large congested pores, hormonal cystic acne, flaky skin and fat puffy eyelids. Staples: Bioderma SS, Taz, Dr. Kassy's C, Skinoren, HQ, Cerave and growth factors-- but also trying EVERYTHING ELSE..... |
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Sun May 24, 2009 3:39 pm |
| Josee wrote: |
| KBLang wrote: |
I have this Josee, and it's very good in terms of protection--it's not really a cosmetic sunscreen though. It's quite thick and a little rich, but it's not nearly as bad as ones like Badger in terms of it being balm-like. I haven't had any trouble with breakouts, though it could be a bit much for some skin... It can leave a white cast if you don't rub it in really well, too. I think it's great for exercise and long days out in the sun, but I go with Devita for everyday wear. |
Thank you! I am looking for an "outdoors" sunscreen and this one seems good |
This is exactly what I use it for Josee. A friend just came back from the Caribbean having used this, too, and she wasn't at all burned. Hooray! |
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early 30s; combo skin: medium-fair pale with freckles, controlled breakouts. Love: argan and tamanu oil, Devita SS, NCN rhassoul cleansing bar, pumpkin peel, DIY Vit C serum. Getting into more DIY... Fan of natural/organic products. |
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